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Guinea pig outside in this awful weather? Advice please.

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MrsL123 · 09/01/2010 21:36

Hi everyone! I read these forums a lot but this is my first post - I apologise if it ends up being long but I'm quite worried about our guinea pig at the moment with this bad weather, and I know there's a few experienced piggy keepers on here who I'm hoping can advise me.

The GP in question is 4 years old and she has always lived outdoors with our two dwarf rabbits of the same age (until about a year ago she also had another GP for company, but she sadly died in her sleep one night). Just to give you an idea of their living situation - until earlier this year they all lived in a big shed which we converted into a giant hutch/run, with a couple of wooden nesting boxes inside to snuggle up in and lots of room to play (80sq feet in total). It was a great home for them, as it had a big wire mesh panel for fresh air at one end but we could completely close it up in the rain and cold (they also had windows so they still had lots of daylight even in bad weather). Unfortunately the rabbits chewed the shed from the inside and the dogs chewed it from the outside, until eventually it was becoming an escape risk and we had to replace it! As we had to do it in a hurry, we didn't have time to get another shed delivered and convert it, so we bought the biggest hutch we could find from Pets at Home. It's around 5 feet long and is on two levels (approx 20sq feet of living space), and we added a galvanised steel run on a concrete base off to the side (another 30sq feet of space), which they can access by a cat flap whenever they like. The hutch is covered with a Scratch & Newton waterproof cover (the type with the clear plastic flap that rolls down at the front), the run also has a rain cover over half of it, and the whole set up is against the back wall of the house facing south, so it's out of the wind.

For most of this winter, we've been convinced that our new set up is actually better than the old one, even though it's about half the size, because it's cosier for them and keeps the heat in better than the big shed. But at the moment I'm feeling guilty about how cold it is - we're in Scotland near the coast, and it got down to -13 last night. We've got the heating on 24/7, so I sit inside feeling awful about them being outside and imagining how cold they must be! Both levels of the hutch are completely stuffed with hay and have a thick layer of wood shavings underneath, there are a couple of old towels in there to snuggle up in, and at night I've been covering the front of the hutch with two big fleece blankets, which are secured under the plastic roll-down rain cover, and then a thick shower curtain over the top of all that (leaving a gap for ventilation of course). The water bottles have also got thick socks over them. But despite all the layers, the bottles have still been freezing at night. I can't help but think if the water is freezing, the piggy must be too! The rabbits are OK as they snuggle up together and have thick fluffy coats, but the piggy is all alone now and I really worry about her. In the old shed she used to wedge herself between the two rabbits to keep warm (soooo cute!), but they tend to sleep downstairs now and she stays upstairs (she doesn't like the ramp), so she's all by herself Her nesting box was also tucked away right in the back corner of the shed away from the doors, whereas now she's just in the sleeping compartment of the hutch, so is right next to the outer walls. They're all getting unlimited muesli and dried grass to eat, have fresh veg every morning, their water is changed several times a day and their toilet is changed daily to keep it dry and clean, but I still feel like I'm not doing enough. My husband keeps saying that there are animals much worse off than ours with owners who do nothing about the cold weather, but that doesn't really make me feel better!

This afternoon I attempted to insulate the hutch further with some foam carpet underlay that we had lying around (it's 1cm thick and I put three layers on the roof and two layers on the sides, wedged under the rain cover to keep it in place). I've also added another fleece blanket tonight (making three blankets, plus the plastic rain cover and the shower curtain). Hopefully there'll be no frozen water bottles in the morning! But if there is, I'm thinking it's time to bring the piggy inside. I know if I do this, she'll need to stay inside year-round, as I wouldn't just be able to put her back in with the rabbits after months of being away incase they attacked her, and I wouldn't want to keep her outside on her own, so it's not a decision I want to make lightly. I also have some concerns about bringing her indoors. My worries are that A) it'll be too warm in the house for her after being out in the cold so long, B) she'll get bored stuck in the house without the garden to look out on, C) she'll miss the company of the rabbits, and D) she'll be scared of the hoover / washing machine / generally noisy house. I also worry that the cats and dogs will pester her in her cage (but they don't bother them in the hutch, so maybe not). The other thing is, she'll have to be in one of those indoor cages on the kitchen table (out of the way of the clumsy dogs), so I worry about her having enough space - but she currently spends most of her time in the small sleeping compartment of the hutch anyway and only emerges a few times to eat/ drink/have a nosey at what's going on, so the cage would probably suit her fine (she's always been a lazy piggy, not a run-around-mad type).

What should I do for the best? If I leave her out, she could die from the cold. But if I bring her in, could she could die from the shock or change in environment? She definitely seems to like her outdoor life, as I often see her sitting munching her hay and watching the world go by. But I don't want to put her life at risk keeping her outside because she's getting a bit older now, and I would be heartbroken if I found her dead one morning from the cold.

Thank you in advance for any advice, and sorry for the essay!

OP posts:
MrsL123 · 10/01/2010 00:02

Sari, I thought about a heater but the rabbits would chew it, as they're quite tall when they're stood on their hind legs. The more dangerous something is to chew, the better, as far as they're concerned!

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Sari · 10/01/2010 00:08

Oh yes, I hadn't thought about the rabbits - I don't know anything about them!

MrsL123 · 10/01/2010 09:58

Just an update really - when I went out this morning the shower curtain had frozen solid with frost, so it was obviously a cold night. However, as I peeled away layers of blankets they got progressively warmer, and when I opened up the hutch it wasn't half bad in there. Both water bottles were completely unfrozen, and the bowl of water I put in was fine - I stuck my finger in it and it was just cold like it had come out of the tap, not icy like it has been the last few nights. The food in the bowl was also just 'normal' cold, like it had just been poured out of the bag. And I had a feel of the hay at various parts of the hutch and it was also OK - cool to the touch (although the hutch had been completely uncovered for a couple of minutes by this point) but certainly not freezing cold. When I put my hand in the sleeping compartment there was a nice warm patch where piggy had been lying, and she felt warm when I touched her. So I think the extra blanket and insulation really helped last night. The rabbits as usual were like toasty little radiators, and were snuggled up side-by-side in the cardboard box I put in for them yesterday. They don't seem to understand what all the fuss is about lol!

I'm going to PAH today to buy the piggy an igloo, which I'll fill with either fleece or shredded paper so she doesn't eat all her bedding and get cold (I'll still put some grass in the entrance for munchies). And I'm going to go to B&Q and buy a tarpaulin to replace the shower curtain, which will give an even thicker waterproof layer that can cover the whole hutch, rather than just the front. That means I could also add an old duvet over the hutch to keep it extra warm, without worrying about it getting soaked.

They're munching their way though an amazing amount of hay and grass at the moment, helps to keep them warm I suppose. I put two big handfuls of grass in the piggies bed last night and another just outside the entrance, and both piles have been eaten, along with most of her bedding! I put more grass in this morning and she was up munching at it before I'd even closed the door. She's certainly living up to her piggy name!

When I was sorting them out this morning, I couldn't help but think how happy she looked, just sitting there munching away, watching the world go by. The birds were tweeting and it's a nice sunny morning, and she seemed quite content! She could have just eaten the grass I'd put in her bed but she chose to sit out next to the wire mesh and eat the pile I'd left there, and she was having a good nosey around at everything in the garden while she ate. In the house she'd just be looking at four walls all day, and it'd be very noisy after the peace and quiet of the garden. So I think I'll leave her outside with her new igloo and bedding, and hope that this cold snap passes sooner rather than later.

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GentleOtter · 10/01/2010 10:09

Our old guinea pig, Periwig, lived to the ripe old age of 6 1/2 living entirely outside. I don't know how old he was when we got him but he was quite large.

In winter, we used to insulate round his hutch with an old duvet, cardboard then a tarpaulin and plenty of hay, fresh greens and concentrates, fresh water twice a day (his water could freeze quickly when it was very cold).

We have found that the outdoor pigs live much longer than the indoor pigs.

WickedWitchSouthWest · 10/01/2010 12:20

thanks MrsL I'm pretty certain dh has an old fleece jumper he has used for painting that I can "borrow" for our piggies! As they're less than a year old, they're quite widdly and I hadn't thought of fleece (despite the fact we used it on dd's bum) to keep them drier and warmer. Ours are very naughty with the igloo and just turn it up the wrong way, defeating the object... That's why they're staying upstairs! I've left the cover closed on the worst days here and they've been pottering about quite happily. I love having piggies

themachinist · 10/01/2010 20:12

Glad they all seem ok. The igloo i have has no bottom - to fit two big fat pigs in it! Cardboard is a really good insulator, just rip up some old cereal cartons and line underneath the igloo.

My hutch hugger is an imitation one - so its brown, but its the waterproof style rather than the special insulationy one. Honestly, it all sounds fine, but an igloo inside the sleeping bit will create a small warm space for piglet.

WickedWitchSouthWest · 10/01/2010 23:02

I've found the old fleece! I'll do their bedroom out in it tomorrow (cleaned the front room this morning hoping to have found the fleece a bit earlier than this really!). I'm just glad they have each other to snuggle up to

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