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BabyDubsEverywhere · 11/11/2009 22:24

DH wants a dog, his only spec is large! bigger the better in fact. can anyone recommend a breed from their personal experience to get us started?

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BabyDubsEverywhere · 14/11/2009 09:01

Bella - is that even a dog? i have seen rats more dog looking than that!

A great swiss is very high on our list of dream dogs, how is he to live with?

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bethoo · 14/11/2009 11:14

EAP I think you are very naive to think that all registered pedigree breeders actually care about hte conditions their dogs inherit? there are alot of scrupulous breeders out there, maybe you should have watched the despatches documentary that was on a while back, it was discussed on here.
and for want of genetic knowledge, i assure you i know what i am talking about as i did study genetics at a level!
you can still show a dog with diseases at Crufts as long as it looks the part!
my friend had a german shepherd from show stock, several of the relatives were winners yet it had severe hip displasia! dont tell me the breeders werent aware?

BellaBonJovi · 14/11/2009 11:24

Exactly bethoo!

Many hereditary dog diseases are caused by homozygous recessive genes in dogs, brought about by inbreeding.

Don't tell us we don't know our genetics!

BellaBonJovi · 14/11/2009 11:25

Babydubs - Chiquito says hi. He says he can be all packed up and on his way to you just as soon as you say the word. It won't take long as all his things are very small

EdgarAllenPoo · 14/11/2009 21:44

EAP I think you are very naive to think that all registered pedigree breeders actually care about hte conditions their dogs inherit?

i am very aware of the unscrupulous nature of the dog breeding business. Breed clubs / the KC place minimal standards on members. X-breeders don't even have those (scant) limitations.

if a dog has a pedigree - you can see whether its father is also its grandfather, and great-grandfather, or if it is the product of a brother-sister mating, the age of the brood bitch is noted etc. a dog with no pedigree at all comes without even that basic level of paperwork.

common pratice amongst those breeding in puppy farms is to inbreed to such an extent the dog is its own grandfather - and ruin the health of the dog by weaning it early, feeding it inadequately, keeping in cold pest-ridden conditions -

although this happens to both x-breeds and pedigree dogs, a pedigree breeder will not keep any kind of good reputation if they are caught doing this, they are more accountable. breeding dogs because you wish to keep one to show, is after all, a much better reason than wanting to earn some extra money from selling the litter.

actualy, thinking about that article linked to made me rather sad..cos most of the things we see the vet for are accidents..slit pads, broken bones, cuts..if the difference in vetinary attention is that great, there must be many x-breed dogs around with broken bones that never received even the most basic treatment. All because the financial value of the dog is lower, an it would cost less to get another one.

BellaBonJovi · 14/11/2009 21:48

EAP - where on earth do you get your information that non-pedigree dogs aren't taken to the vet as readily as pedigree ones?

EdgarAllenPoo · 14/11/2009 22:07

it seems obvious from the link posted - accidental damage to the dog is a major generation of vet visits. this has nothing to do with heredity - so why so few x-breeds seeing the vet?

and that, where (e.g) a non-pedigree dog that is mostly e.g border collie, goes to the vets, they'll be recorded as 'border collie'.
by the owner...

and tell me why, if two dogs of different breeds possess the same recessive gene for vulnerability to disease, the fact they are not the same breed would prevent any of the offspring being affected? and what of dominant genetic factors?

whn you take into account the terrible inbreeding that goes on to produce many of these x-breeds it is evident inbreeding took place!) the notion of an x-breed avoiding the ills caused by in breeding looks pretty scrappy.

BellaBonJovi · 14/11/2009 22:32

The link posted talks about pedigree owners having higher average vets bills than non-pedigree owners.

It says nothing about non-pedigree owners deciding to ignore a broken leg because the dog cost less to buy in the first place, which is your argument. Frankly, that's more than a little insulting to owners of non-pedigree dogs in the first place.

Re the genetics - I suggest you do a bit of reading. Inbreeding of dogs who are heterozygous for recessive (disease causing) alleles is much more likely to result in homozygous, affected offspring. No idea what you mean by 'and what of dominant genetic factors?' Dominant genes count for nowt if heterozygous individuals are mated and produce homozygous, recessive pups.

Then you talk of the terrible inbreeding that produces these cross breeds - are you talking about labradoodles etc?

If so, then your argument has switched several times - each time it has been discredited in fact. You disputed the fact that crossbreeds were healthier - I provided evidence to the contrary so you then fabricated a theory about crossbreed owners not going to the vets, and now you're talking about labradoodles.

Are you taking the piss?

Vallhala · 15/11/2009 01:10

EAP you are SO right about puppy farms. I'm currently in talks with the media about such places - the problem is hugely under-estimated and the heartache to unsuspecting owners and pain and distress to innocent animals is enormous.

However I wonder if you might have got your stats on breeds vs X breeds going to the vets from insurers? If so that info may be open to question.

For example, a X breed owner may have less money and thus not have insurance but that doesn't mean they won't take a sick dog to the vet. They may pay out of savings/loans, they may go to a PDSA/RSPCA vet without having insurance.

I have a pedigree GSD and a Lab X. I don't have insurance but instead have money put aside in the bank for vet bills as and when necessary. Rest assured my dogs would NEVER go untreated even if I didn't eat and had to sell my last piece of furniture to ensure this.

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/11/2009 23:38

BABY - he is a sweetie - though drove me insane when a puppy and kept peeing everywhere (as bella will tell you)

as well as having a fear stubboness of getting in a car but thats solved as well now

he is HUGE but very loving and loyal

he does have a tendacy to steal eat food thats left about

organic pork, venison sausagaes,500g of cheese to name a few things

Sallypuss · 17/11/2009 12:29

We have an (English) Mastiff and a lab cross. Our Mastiff is the biggest softie though, as a breed, they will defend their family to the death (ours would probably go and hide behind the garden table in fear!).

I did worry about the Mastiff when DD1 came along last year but the dog adores her - he would lie outside her nursery door whenever she was asleep and just wants to be around the family whatever we are doing. Fantastic dogs, laziest ones imaginable and don't eat that much (our lab eats more) probably costs c. £50/month to feed.

Do your research and once you're set on a breed I would suggest you join the relevant breed association - lots of like minded souls who will be delighted to tell you all about the breed (membership is probably £10 per year but well worth it). They will be able to put you in touch with good breeders who may have litters available. Our breeder is superb and we still here from her often and can talk to her about any problems.

fruitshootsandheaves · 17/11/2009 12:44

I lost my sprollie last year to Myasthenia gravis..he was just 4 It was awful. I have specifically now got a pedigree springer because of all the tests his parents had to rule out underlying conditions. I know it is no guarantee, but it was reassuring to me.
I have 2 pedigree dogs now. I would never have thought of getting a pedigree when I got my first dog.
Springers are great, not very big though and quite mad.

sowhatis · 18/11/2009 17:54

I have a Bullmastiff and a Dogue De Bordeaux. Both v v big! Male Bm is now 20mths and weighs 11.5stone already and DDB Bitch is 19mths and around 10stone.

Training is KEY - they both walk nicely on the lead and will come back when off the lead - although DDB is more of a handful as we have only had her a few months - she was a rescue.

both been good with the kids - but as the male bm is going through puberty had one issue with him and one of my children recently which was nipped in the bud sharpish, but it was totally my fault for not being consistent with the boundaries and him for trying to 'elevate' his position in the pack - above the kids - i think not!

i cant wait for both of them to mature and 'settle down' a bit!

walking vaires, at least once, for around an hour and sometimes again later on if we have been out without them alot of the day. tbh they mostly sleep and play in the garden................oooo, and EAT.........ALOT!!!!

they eat a mix of dry and raw food. costs around £25/wk to feed them.

good luck, let us know what you decide on.

xx

BabyDubsEverywhere · 21/11/2009 16:41

Okay, we have a winner!

GREAT DANE

Please tell me everything you know
x

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Heathcliffscathy · 21/11/2009 16:57

hovawart. they are stunningly beautiful and meant to make great pets. big dog. gorgeous.

BellaBonJovi · 21/11/2009 17:12

Loads of hereditary problems, prone to bloat (GDV), short lived, can have temperament problems, cost a fortune to feed.

Those are the negatives anyway!

moosemama · 21/11/2009 17:16

Hovawarts are lovely, there used to be one at my dog training class. She was big, beautiful, gentle, placid and biddable.

Unfortunately there are hardly any in the UK so not very easy to come by.

BabyDubs, I love Dane's my Dad had 2, both blue boys and a local pub owner has the most gorgous harlequin pup that I wanted to dognap and bring home. Don't know a lot about them personally, so am not much help really. I'm sure someone with experience of the breed will be along shortly though.

bedlambeast · 21/11/2009 19:45

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BellaBonJovi · 21/11/2009 20:28

Bedlam buys her food in bulk , don't you, Bedlam?

RTKangaMummy · 21/11/2009 20:50

Get a PYRENEAN MOUNTAIN DOG

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We grew up with Pyrenean Mountain Dog she was huge but lovely btw I was about 10 when she died so we were all very little and she was very big

BabyDubsEverywhere · 21/11/2009 20:55

Im happy to pay for insurance, those rates aren't as bad as I thought they would be actually.

How much exercise would you say is 'right'. Have read alot about not over doing it, slightly worried that we'd do too much or too little, whats the happy medium for a pup?

I will be at home very much almost all of the time, no school runs, shopping deliverd, Im a real home body, 2hrs tops twice a week max! will this ease some of the less favourable traits, distructivness etc?

Also, for all other pets we have always just had a full bowl of food throughout the day, all our dogs and cats etc have always had this and been fine, however, some site are saying that proper feeding times are important. Why is this, would it make any difference if the food was just always available?

Could we talk moulting and slobbering for a moment, just so i know what to expect - I am giving myself 9 months to prepare for this lol!

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BabyDubsEverywhere · 21/11/2009 20:59

RTKangaMummy I would love one of those, stunning dogs, well, bears I supose! They were on our list for quite a while.

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jkklpu · 21/11/2009 21:06

I'm partial to labs but some things to think/ask about before you decide:

  • The bigger the dog the more exercise it will need (sounds as though you're OK on that, I know) and the more food it will eat and, therefore the more expensive it will be.
  • Do you plan to drive it about much? If so, do you already have a car with a big enough boot?
  • What will be your fallback option should you go on holiday/need someone to look after it at short notice? If the answer is always going to be kennels, then fine. But if you'll be looking for someone else to take the dog, I'd definitely advise against a great Dane, St Bernard, Old English sheedog, anything really big as this will dramatically reduce the number of people you'll be able to call on to put up the dog.
  • Hair and moulting. How fastidious are you about having dog hair all over your furniture and clothes? Even if you don't mind, think seriously about the dog's colour, eg golden lab v black and think about your wardrobe/furnishings/carpets. Long-haired dogs are even more of a trial in this respect.
  • Child-friendliness is, presumably, pretty important. Labradors always come out well on this score. Some bigger dogs, eg rottweilers, do not and you should be careful about this. Also, if you want your kids to be physically capable of controlling the dog, eg holding the lead if the dog gets excited, then don't get something really powerful.

Have a great time with it when you do decide.

RTKangaMummy · 21/11/2009 21:13

Our Pyrenean Mountain Dog was a gentle giant

When I was 7 I was given a kitten and I have a photo of the dog sharing a bone with a tiny kitten

My Dad is 6'6" and so would have looked stupid with a small dog

She went in kennels when we went on holiday

We didn't have a car so she didn't ever go in one ~ this was in the 1960/1970s

Also I don't remember her slobbering unlike my Granny's retriver who used to slobber dreadfully all over our knees

wildfig · 21/11/2009 21:28

We have 2 short-haired dogs, and there's always a faint tumbleweed of hair around the edges of the kitchen tiles. In our last house, which was mostly white tiles downstairs, I noticed it every day and swept constantly. In our new house, which has carpets, it's much easier to ignore, but I hoover the areas the dogs are in once a day if I have time, and wash their beds regularly to keep the doggy aroma under control.

As for slobber - bassets are supposed to be slobber fountains, but while the puppy is great at leaving snail trails over every bit of laundry he grabs off the airer, our older dog has never slobbered once. I'd think Danes are pretty slobbery, aren't they? You have to sponge it off, or else just throw it back in the wash. It's just one of those things you learn to live with - I try to balance it mentally by being glad our dogs don't yap/hump/need monthly grooming.