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Which size crate for leaving pup in the day?

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itchyandscratchy · 01/11/2009 22:32

Our pup is 12 weeks and I will be leaving her alone a for a while tomorrow whilst I go to work. I will be coming home to check on her after 3 hours and to let her out, etc. This week I have left her for a couple of hours and she was fine. She is in her little crate at the moment and sleeps overnight in it but we have already bought a bigger one for when she grows a bit.

Should we maybe put her in the bigger one for daytime stretches or will it seem too big for her at this stage? Her present crate has just about enough room to stand and stretch out, with a cushion and toys in it.

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alysonpeaches · 02/11/2009 22:27

Some info about crate size:

www.apdt.co.uk/dog_training_tips.asp

Its more productive to provide knowledge rather than posting judgemental comments I think.

Good luck with your sprollie. When I was a teen my BF's family had a springer and BF's parents both worked full time, their sons used to walk him after school. He was a gorgeous dog and didnt appear to suffer when left, but he wasnt left as a pup, just an adult.

LuckySalem · 02/11/2009 22:33

Ahh that's what our rescue pup is then a sprollie!! lol to me she's heinz! :D

I agree it's not good to leave her in a crate for that long. Even if it is just temp arrangement. I'm sorry but it doesn't seem fair.
My pup is now 20 weeks old and CRAZY I dont know how she'd cope in a crate for 3 hours straight, we go out and she's left to roam the front room, hall and spare room and I feel guilty about that.

Ignoring all that though if you like. Dog needs to be able to stand, turn and stretch in a crate and you need to make sure water is always available (which I'm assuming you do but just incase)

GhoulsAreLoud · 03/11/2009 07:27

Thanks mitchy, that looks like a challenge! Will get her one for xmas.

minimu · 03/11/2009 15:19

I would have thought that a dog that had had a good walk and a training session should be left quiet for a few hours to rest and chill.

My dogs- yep even the collie is expected to do that in my house.

Ok I have walked her for two hours and often done agility training with her first but all dogs need a quiet time in the day.

If Itchyandstracthy is prepared to get up before work and do the necessary and then after work give the dog a walk as priority it sounds fine to me.

It is harder with a pup as their exercise requirements are for shorter bursts but maybe she can get someone in to let the pup out and play if it is an ongoing thing. Or maybe she is taking the dog to work with her when she has had all the injections.

BellaBonJovi · 03/11/2009 15:38

If any of that was directed at me, minimu - can I just point out that I was objecting to a 12 week old pup being left - presumably daily - for 3 hour stretches in a crate while the OP goes to work.

I notice the OP hasn't come back to say whether this is a regular occurrence.

I cannot see where anyone on this thread has taken issue with dogs having quiet time

minimu · 03/11/2009 16:51

BellaBonJovi none of what I said was directed at anyone it was just my opinion and my interpretation of the original post.

Dont't want to start a war and certainly was not "getting" at anyone sorry if it seemed that way. I will try to word my posts better next time.

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itchyandscratchy · 03/11/2009 18:03

ooo I must apologise for leaving the thread for an extended time, Bella. I know it's not ideal to leave my laptop unattended whilst I have a life and go to work, but I did leave it on a table with plenty of space, plugged into the wall to recharge the battery. I hope this wasn't cruel.

Cheers minimu, mitchy, alyson and Ghouls - that's very helpful. minimu - you didn't sound aggressive to me at all. your advice on this thread and other pup ones has been brilliant.

Bella you sound a bit tense - maybe you could try some time in a crate for some chillout time- as long as it's big enough of course. It can't be very good for you getting so het up on other people's behalf.

Do you know what? I actually started to type up what the regime with the pup will be and then decided this was clearly bonkers - I don't need to justify myself to anyone whose getting humpty for a made-up or assumed reason.

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itchyandscratchy · 03/11/2009 18:05

who's

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HeSaysSheSays · 03/11/2009 18:20

Itchy, actually it was me who asked about the routine, not Bella.

BellaBonJovi · 03/11/2009 18:30

I am sorry you don't like the fact that I think it is wrong to leave a 12 week old pup crated for 3 hours every day, even for a few weeks. I stand by that.

Not sure what the full on rant was about, but I have no intention of getting into a slanging match.

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itchyandscratchy · 03/11/2009 18:46

Stand by what you like, Bella, but you might want to re-read the thread before you start getting all Ena Sharples on me. where does it say that she will be left for three hours every day? even for a few weeks? where where where?

and yes I know it was HeSays who gave me the third degree about the 3 hours business, which in all honesty I can't be bothered to go into, except to say it's not a regular thing; it was for the one day that I couldn't get back more regularly. but yes, she will be left for other stretches this week, none of them for that long. If you'd like my dad's, dh's and my own itinerary so that you know exactly at what hour she is out each day, I can obviously arrange this.

anyway, I've had the replies I wanted re the crates, so that's fine.

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HeSaysSheSays · 03/11/2009 18:57

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn

BellaBonJovi · 03/11/2009 18:59

Walk away, hesays.

Soooooo not worth it.

GhoulsAreLoud · 03/11/2009 19:51

Hesays there's no need for that at all.

HeSaysSheSays · 03/11/2009 19:59

Of course, I get told off, yeah, figures.

Don't worry about the Op being rude to me because other people were rude to her (note, not me other people). I get it a whole load of vitriol even though I was nice to her and I get told of for reacting to it. Oh yes, that about sums things up nicely.

If the op does not want to get bad reactions to her posts perhaps she should limit handing out all that nastiness to people who were not trying to be nice and helpful.

GhoulsAreLoud · 03/11/2009 20:01

How childish.

HeSaysSheSays · 03/11/2009 20:08

Lol - yes, I am rather childish like that. I like it when niceness is met with niceness not with nastiness.

Oh how terrible of me - don't worry I will nip out for an attitude adjustment later. I may fit in better around here if I remember to be nasty to the people who are being nice to me - that is right isn't it Op?

I also love that fab passive agressive holier than thou stuff you all do - you are quite good at it ghouls.

GhoulsAreLoud · 03/11/2009 20:11

Jog on love.

HeSaysSheSays · 03/11/2009 20:12

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itchyandscratchy · 03/11/2009 22:05

I asked a question and along with the answer I was looking for came some unsolicited opinions, based on assumptions, which I (and others by the look) felt were a leeeetle bit on the judgmental and critical side.

Your questions, HeSays, although I acknowledge were not meant in an aggressive way were, seemingly, based around the assumption that I was/am in need of further advice, again, unsolicited and, again, based on inaccurate judgements. I'm sorry that you obviously feel so sensitive about your intentions being misconstrued.

Sometimes you maybe just have to accept that people use this forum to gain information, not be dictated to. If I had posted: "AIBU to leave my pup in a crate for 3 hours every day" then some of your questions might have been pertinent. But I didn't. It's really no biggy though and not worth getting fraught about.

I have reported your post though as it constitutes abuse and I think it's unwarranted.

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HeSaysSheSays · 03/11/2009 22:30

itchy, it is perfectly reasonable to ask for further information in order to answer a question properly. In no way did I make any assumptions at all, not one. The fact that you felt other people were does not mean that I was.

Where did you get the impression I had made any assumptions? Where I give you any indication that I intended to dictate to you?

You asked about size of crate for a specific purpose so I asked, pertinant, questions to gather more information about how it was going to be used.

You mentioned things changing after injections so I asked about that - the length of time (ie days/weeks/months) a crate is going to be used for is important - there is little point spending money on a huge crate (for example) when it is only going to be used for a week or two but if it is going to be a month or two then it would be worth spending the money. The same with your work routine, if it was a very short term thing then, chances are, the pup would be fine with the two crates you already have, if not then perhaps there were other things that could be a good solution for you - things like puppy runs with a crate and so on.

Not ONE of my questions was giving or even implying unwanted judgement on how you plan to keep your puppy. They were all pertinant to the op and I am sorry that you have been made to feel so defensive about your decisions that you feel the need to make assumptions about me - because that is what really happened - you assumed that I was judging you, you assumed I was trying to be nasty in some way.

Sad fact is that you were wrong and ended up being pretty nasty to someone who could actually have offered some interesting and relevant information.

Sometimes maybe you just have to accept that people use this forum to give information not to dictate to others.

GhoulsAreLoud · 04/11/2009 08:02

Just for continuities sake hesays, I also reported the message in which you made a personal attack on itchy.

Not much point trying to take the moral high ground in light of that, is there?

HeSaysSheSays · 04/11/2009 08:23

No Ghouls, I am sure not.

However all I did was observe that the op was making an attack on me (not one I would report as I am not actually that childish unlike some) that was unwarrented and unjustified. I was quite cross about it, I also said she was being "up herself" I stand by it, she was.

I am glad that there are people like you here who do not ever get cross at being treated badly. After all how on earth could MN be the perfect place it is without people like you here to take point on the "oh so perfect" wave that is sweeping the boards?

So, for "continuities" sake, do jog on love.

GhoulsAreLoud · 04/11/2009 09:06

You and itchy may have disagreed with each other but she didn't swear at you and call you names.

The fact that you can't apologise for that speaks volumes about you.

HeSaysSheSays · 04/11/2009 10:08

I did not call her names. Swearing, I said she did not give a shit that she was being rude to someone who had tried to be helpful OMG perhaps you would have been more comfortable if I had said she didn't give a hit?

I see we have reached the stage where we try to make the deleted post appear to be as bad as possible so that following readers are left with the impression the poster must have been oh so bad.

When actually HQ did not see fit to remove it when you reported it, they only did so when the op complained too. Making it pretty clear that even HQ were not that bothered by it.

As for appologising, there is nothing for me to appologise for, she treated me badly and I told her so. I find it very interesting that you seem to care more about it than the Op TBH.

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