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my dog is driving me MAD!!!!!!!!!!!

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:12

my dog is 3 years old she was house trained but she is dry at day they when it comes to nightime she will wee in the house i will let her out she will come back in a minute later she will have done it so it dribbles under my sofa i have to lock her in the hall then in the mornin i will get up to wee and poo please has anyone go any advice i am really pissed off!!

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SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/04/2009 23:15

Crate train her for overnights. You will have to start off slowly if she is 3 but it's not too late and generally dogs don't mess in their sleeping quaters so it will teach her to hold it overnight.

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:15

p.s she knows what shes doing she waits till i have gone out of the room then does it and sometimes shes all right for a couple off days then does it again she looks at me as if to say ha ha look what i have done
and then i will pick up her poo from outside and then she will do another even if she has just done one before i pick it up

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:17

no but she doesnt mind ive only got a small hall just about box size and she doesnt care?? disgusting she lies in it

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SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/04/2009 23:18

Hmm has she always done it? Is there something upsetting her on a night?

KingCanuteIAm · 11/04/2009 23:22

Sounds like she is massivly insecure to me. A dog is not capable of thinking "ha ha look what I have done" THey can not do things deliberatly to ruin your day, they are canine not human!

Pooing when you take away poo sounds like she needs to have a mark of herself around, again a mark of insecurity.

Dogs do not see poo the way we do, lying in it is not unusual, many roll in other dogs doings regularly. It may be disgusting to you but it is not the same in her mind. Also if your hall is small does she have any choice?

A crate is still smaller than a hall.

Take her to a vet and check there is not anything physical wrong an, assuming there is not, ask for a referal to a good behaviourist for proper advice and training.

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:23

ermm no not all the time but more often thn not, no cause if i leave her out and in the living room she wont mess for day or so but then she will start again

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:26

the crate is not smaller you havent seen my hall if you need a large crate for a dog.
she is trained she has not always been like this
and plus you havent seen her look at me when she does it then goes to the back door to be let out for a wee????

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SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/04/2009 23:29

It sounds to me like something is upsetting her. I agree with KingCanute. She sounds like a very insecure dog.

If it is only on a night, do you think she could be anticipating you going to bed and leaving her in the hall?

How about a crate upstairs so that she is closer to you? Or play some music that she can hear so she doesn't feel alone.

Your vet should be able to give you the numbers of trainers who specialise in seperation anxiety. They might be expensive though as they would probably need a home visit to watch how the dog behave around the family.

KingCanuteIAm · 11/04/2009 23:32

Marie, I understand you are frustrated but she is really not doing his to piss you off!

The only way to cure behaviour like this is to find out what is at the bottom of it and/or spend time retraining. IMHO this behaviour sounds like insecurity. If you get cross/frustrated when she wees she has probably learnt that, if she wees in the house, she gets sent straight to the garden. So, now, she has a wee in the house then goes straight to the door to go out for another one. The chances are she actually thinks this is what she is supposed to do by now! It is very easy for dogs to learn confused behaviours.

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:37

no but the thing is i would think that to but when i leave her to wander in the night she will sleep on my bed for an hour get up go in the living room and then i still wake up in the morning to piss

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:39

no and i dont tell her off anymore dont make eye contact i just clean it up and walk off i dont let her out afterm i ignore her

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SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/04/2009 23:40

I would retrain then. She has probably learnt somewhere along the line this is what she should do.

Get a trainer to give you some advice on how to do it.

I'd still get her checked by a vet though, just to be sure it is nothing physical.

KingCanuteIAm · 11/04/2009 23:44

This is circular, you asked for advice, my advice is take her to a vet to check for physical problems and a behaviourist for retraining. HTH

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:44

apart from tonight i let her out and i was redy to leave her out all night i was so peed off honest i was fuming thought my head was going to explode nothin worse than someones house smelling off dog piss and shit! and i thought shecan do it as much as she likes out their.
anyway after bout half a hour i felt guilty and let her back in.
and i would think training but then she doesnt do it in the day time and sometimes i let her out after a min she goes in the house and i last let her out between 10.00 and 11.00

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SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/04/2009 23:48

Somehow she seems to have learnt that it's okay to do it on a night but not okay through the day.

Or

Something is upsetting her on a night that isn't there during the day.

A in house trainer should be able to tell you which one it is and how to deal with it.

BTW biological washing powder is good at getting the smells out.

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:50

i am explaining to you what she does their is really no need to be rude like i wouldnt be to you. be honest you have no more advice. if their was physical problems she would do it in the day she is a healthy loveable and she is very well trained apart from this problem which i done a thread on here to see if anyone else had the problem

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:51

thankyou shesellsseashells you have been very helpful

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SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/04/2009 23:53

I have similar with my puppy. She is house trained when it is just me and the dds but when DH is in the house she goes anywhere she pleases.

I'm not sure why, but we are working on it. I think it is because DH babied her to begin with and so she learned she could poo anywhere when he was there and she would not be chastised.

He is now taking more control of her and the problem seems to be getting better.

There must be something causing this. It's not to annoy you, either something is upsetting her or she has 'learned' that it is okay to do this on a night.

Either way you need to either learn to live with it or get a trainer.

KingCanuteIAm · 11/04/2009 23:56

Odd, seashells and I have said exactly the same thing I find your tone pushy and aggressive so I tried to sign out politely. Never mind, I am sure you will get along fine with seashells advice. Good luck.

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:57

no im going to give her to a friend ovibous im not good for the dog be better somewhere else sorry for bothering you for advice

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SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 12/04/2009 00:00

No one said you were not good for her. Have a think, what happens on a night/who is there on a night that does not happen/is not there during the day?

If there is nothing then it is a learned behavior and she needs retraining. The best way to do it is get a trainer in. Just to be sure that you don't do it the wrong way again, plus the trainer will be able to tell you the best way tp train the dog as different breeds respond best to different techniques.

Giving her to your friend if she is insecure is not the best thing for the dog or your friend.

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 00:00

o my god i have never been called pushy and aggressive youve just turned that around so well their are threads on here i think you should read

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 00:30

king
u said a crate is still smaller
i said you havent seen my hall its small
u said if you get cross
i said i dont i just clean it up
you said shes learned it you let her out
i said i dont let her out
so im explaining to you in a reply with what you said like people do on mn
confusing??

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kitkatqueen · 12/04/2009 01:01

Kingcanute, Not jumping in here to attack you, but a bit confused by this line in your post

Sounds like she is massivly insecure to me. A dog is not capable of thinking "ha ha look what I have done" THey can not do things deliberatly to ruin your day, they are canine not human!

You seem to be giving the dog human characteristics with one hand and taking them away with the other.

I think its worth remembering that dogs are pack animals, they interact with their pack in very complex ways (be it human or dog)and the hierachy(sp?) is very precise.

I had a male dog and my partner was never particularly fussed about him being well behaved. When I became pregnant with dd1 my dog decided that he was the alpha male, not my partner. He would scent mark incessently, climbing onto the sofa where I had been sitting, drooling and sh*tting. He would save urine at the end of a walk to annoint the house with as soon as he came in. I woke one night to find him defecating next to the bed. He became incredibly aggressive overnight, he attacked me with teeth.

We tried everything to keep him. Vet, behaviourist, cages, extra attention, exclusion, training by partner to reinforce who was alpha male.

In the end the vet the behaviourist, and the shelter that we got him from told us to have him put down, in their words - he is doing it on purpose, and you will never stop him.

We didn't have him put to sleep, we found him a new home and guess what the behaviour continued until he died 4 yrs later. He was being cared for by proffesional wildlifev sanctuary owners at their private sanctuary. They have many years of experience in these matters and agreed, the dog was doing it on purpose. If you bathed him he would roll in it

I would believe that with the age of this dog retraining should work, I would try the cage, method but ultimatey, with my dog he would just roll in it.

Sometimes I think dogs are more "human than we give them credit them for!!

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 01:07

yes i agree i take her water up early let her out for a wee late at night she comes back in and dribbles the rest out when i go out the room and also if my child comes up to me she will rush over sit all of her on my lap and stick her face between myine and ny sons face i think she doesnt want my son close and she knows what do u think

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