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my dog is driving me MAD!!!!!!!!!!!

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marie1979 · 11/04/2009 23:12

my dog is 3 years old she was house trained but she is dry at day they when it comes to nightime she will wee in the house i will let her out she will come back in a minute later she will have done it so it dribbles under my sofa i have to lock her in the hall then in the mornin i will get up to wee and poo please has anyone go any advice i am really pissed off!!

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 01:09

kitkat do you mind if i ask what breed of dog you had?

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StercusAccidit · 12/04/2009 02:03

Maybe...she is human on the inside and just can't make it to the toilet in time

FGS

Take her OUT for a WALK before you go to bed, not just chucked outside for a wee on her own..

Bitches do tend to be clean so i don't know why she lies in it.. but still.. make sure she has a constant supply of water as well because if she hasn't and she binge drinks its far more likely she will wee in the night.. 'tis a long time to go, overnight, and she may have a weak bladder..how old is she?

She is NOT doing it to piss you off, although i can understand you being, dog wee doesn't smell very nice and nowt worse than only noticing it after you have waded through it in your bedsocks

Do you have a new baby/have arguments with a partner? I ask this because my own dog is sensitive to such things and wet for england when my ex lived here.

Please don't give her away if this is the only problem you are having, however if you resent her the 'dog is for life thing' goes out of the window because frankly...she deserves better and someone who is more understanding.

This is why dog owners should be vetted and licenced IMO

KingCanuteIAm · 12/04/2009 07:50

Kitkat, if you believe a dog is a pack animal how on earth can you question the ability of a pack animal to feel insecure when her pack changes or is taken away (like going out or going to bed). Pack animals can feel insecure, however they cannot think "HaHa thats stiched you up".

Marie, perhaps I was not clear, I meant your tone towards your dog is aggressive, not me. I also meant you should retrain her in terms of toileting. She may well be the best trained dog in the world but this aspect requires attention wether you want to see that or not.

As for other threads? If there are threads relevant to this issue on here then maybe you should link to them so we can offer advise with all the facts. If they are threads about other things then why on earth should i read them? I don't have to go off and research a poster before I offer a reply.

I was mearly trying to point out how easy it is for a dog to learn a confused behaviour not saying "This is what happened to your dog" and believe me a dog can sense you being pissed off with them wether you make eye contact or not!

Stercus, I heartily agree.

kitkatqueen · 12/04/2009 09:30

Kingcanute Pack animals can feel insecure, however they can also be manipulative to effect the pecking order of the pack, they are not "dumb" they are very intelligent ( at least mine was). We had our dog for years and it was only when I became pregnant with our 1st child that his behaviour began. If the behaviour was soley because of my pregnancy then (I have been assured by very expensive behaviourists) the behaviour would have stopped when he went to live at the sanctuary! He did not have a medical condition, he was trying to stamp his authority.

I know someone who breeds husky's that are used as sled dogs and his belated advice was that my partner should have pissed on the dog to assert his alpha male authority. The scent of feaces / urine is a basic scent marking neccesity to dogs to enable them to understand where they stand in life. They don't look on it the same way that we do. A dog will frequently roll in the urine of a dog it considers to be up higher up the pecking order in order to show submisiveness to that dog, or to urinate on another dog to show that the other dog is lower down than they are in the pack, to be rolling in its own however ( i am told) is a sign that they believe themselves to be the alpha.

The thought of pissing on an animal is too much for me quite frankly and it is not my advice for this situation!

My point also is that if a dog is capable of insecurity it is also capable of being manipulative within the pack. A dog will frequently try to alter its pack standing by scent marking.

To be honest Marie it sounds to me as though the behaviour is related to your dc and that would concern me. You need to decide what is best for you your family and the dog. Out of curiosity what breed is she?

kitkatqueen · 12/04/2009 09:32

marie My dog was a Miniature Irish Wolfhound. ( about 3/4 the size of a standard Wolfhound )

KingCanuteIAm · 12/04/2009 09:40

Kitkat please do not treat me like I am an idiot I do not need your main points highlighted I am capable of reading thank you.

If you are being advised to piss on your dog to assert authority, you need better advice. There are many ways to assert authhority without risking having your tager bitten off!

Manipulting pack position is not the same thing at all. However, it would appear you are an expert in these things so I will let you get the op crapping in her hall or whatever it is you have in mind. (Persoannly I have found good training a better approach, but hey ho).

kitkatqueen · 12/04/2009 09:49

Clearly kingcanute you do have difficulty in reading my post:

"The thought of pissing on an animal is too much for me quite frankly and it is not my advice for this situation! "

Ps I don't have a tager!!!!!!

KingCanuteIAm · 12/04/2009 09:55

"and his belated advice was that my partner should have pissed on the dog to assert his alpha male authority" I was refering to the tager of the "his" in your post.

Sorry, I did miss that, your insulting post before that left me a bit to insulted to be arsed to read the rest properly.

Pack theory is not all it is cracked up to be and you need to be very careful applying it with a family pet. It is more applicable to things like sled dogs who live and work in a real pack with other dogs. A family is not the same as a pack, at least not properly and it can cause real problems if you apply half baked ideas with little or no knowledge.

kitkatqueen · 12/04/2009 10:03

Well Then obviously you are the expert in comparison to the people who I had working with my family and our dog. The sanctuary owner is rather noted on tv (bbc)as an animal expert of the highest order and his advice at least is unimpeachable.

Marie cat me and i'll give u his number

hercules1 · 12/04/2009 10:07

The pack theory for domesticated dogs has long been discredited by loads of experts. Still doesnt make them human though with human characteristics. I would avoid anyone who sticks so rigidly to the pack theory with pet dogs.

KingCanuteIAm · 12/04/2009 10:09

That is my point Kitkat, he is an expert, you and Marie (and me) are not, therefore giving her second hand advice that you recieved when she does not have the knowledge to apply it properly and you do not know for sure it is the same problem is not sensible. Hence the repeated advice that she get a properly trained professional to look into the situation properly for her!

StercusAccidit · 12/04/2009 17:31

IMO you should really just give this dog away because the stress caused by a new family could not be worse than what its going through now.. whatever its going through that is 'making' it wee in your house, that is.
Poo animal, can't speak so can't tell you whats wrong. Most dog handlers are compassionate and thoughtful first, they know a dog will not listen to or respect/protect someone who is horrible to it, being firm does not equate to being mean.

I bet the bloke who said owner should piss on the dog was laughing at the very thought.
Something he could talk about down the pub no doubt Men eh, i wonder what the bloke did with his missus if she didn't do as she was told....

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 18:08

excuse me i have kids to get to bed so i think u sould mind your own bussiness i do not chuck her out side

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 18:16

oi you you do not even know me so how do you know how i treat my dog when i am venting my angre on here and i am not in the least horrible to my dog so DO NOT tell me i am you are inventing things erm what am i going though with my dc? my dog wees i clean it up how am i being nasty to her someone tell me??

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 18:20

i feed me dog very well, i take my dog to the vet when its ill, i play with me dog i walk my dog for miles even though i have 3 kids, i am always fussing my dog, she has been to training YES i get angry when she wees but i do not hit my dog shout at my dog so eh u tell me where i am horrible

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KingCanuteIAm · 12/04/2009 21:38

Marie, I was not, in any way, suggesting you hit your dog. I really hope you do not think that is my take on the situation. As I said, when you are angry about something your dog will pick up on it even if you don't make eye contact. I was not saying anything about physical contact.

Personally, I don't think you should get rid of the dog unless you really cannot face sorting the problem out. As I have said, time and again, the best way to get to the bottom of these problems is to get someone who has a professional knowledge in to help. Often haveing somone come in from outside reveals things that had not even occured to the person actually in the middle of the situation.

Ths sort of training I mean is not the sit, stay kind. I am quite sure you have all that covered. I am talking about behaviour training, specifically to sort out this particular problem. Nothing more.

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 21:52

you said i was aggresive towards my dog i will read through the thread again and if i am wrong i will appogise

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 21:54

sorry it was not u it was stercus

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 21:56

i will not be getting rid of my dog i love her i was leting off steam

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LuckySalem · 12/04/2009 21:57

Marie - I'm not going to argue with anyone on here or you. I'm just going to say this.

try ringing a local shelter and asking them for advice. Alot of the people at shelters will have had some kind of training in this kind of thing (although maybe not much) so if money is too much then try this approach.

Dont rehome your dog unless you really can't cope as the upheavel will upset her immensley. Is she vacc'd and neutered? I'm sure I read somewhere that an unneutered dog feels the need to scent mark more as a way of attracting a mate.

Good luck and if you do need to rehome her go through a rescue as they can make sure that she goes to a good home and if something goes wrong with that home they're there to help again.

For more advice or if you decide to rehome try this site you'll need to log in we're all animal lovers on here and will help you as much as you want.

Good luck

KingCanuteIAm · 12/04/2009 22:01

I said you had an aggressive tone towards your dog, not that you were aggressive to your dog. Sorry if I did not make that clear enough.

Is she insured? When I mentioned referal through the vet it was because I was assuming you had her insured and most policies will cover a vet refered behaviourist. TBH it had not occured to me to ask as I am a big insurance for pets person and I had kind of forgotten that not everyone is!

LuckySalem · 12/04/2009 22:02

King - I'm with you but yes some people dont - hence mentioning the idea of rescues.

KingCanuteIAm · 12/04/2009 22:05

Argh... I don't mean you were using an aggressive tone too your dog either, I meant the tone you used about her on this thread. I am sooo not doing well at explaining myself!

Yes LS, it was your post that made me realise my assumption. Rescues are often a good port of call as they would, obviously, rather keep a dog in a good caring home by helping than risk having it in kennels and all the stress/expense that incurs.

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marie1979 · 12/04/2009 22:13

i would like to say again i am not getting rid of my dog i LOVE her i will not put her in kennels i was letting of steam i walked away to vent my angre on here i am sorry if it seems i am like that but i really am not im just fed up with it

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LuckySalem · 12/04/2009 22:16

Marie - Dont worry I was just giving you somewhere to go as I know that having an animal that urinate/deficates etc with DCs around can be annoying as hell.
We spent quite a bit of money on a behaviourist for our cat as she was peeing on the sofa which apparently was cos I was pregnant but I was sooo worried she would do it when DD arrived.

Anyways as I said good luck,