Repeal the GRA

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I am on board with this and thank Erin who has started it. Can I just say I wish it had been written for those, the many, who still have not given the matter much thought. Avoidable social unrest is not on their radar. Had it been something like 'to prevent the issue of legal documents with false sex markers permitting men to claim to be women and vice versa' it would have been so much clearer and a much easier sell. Doesn't mean I won't try.

Bumping this. The more I read and think, the more I think the only way out of the mess once and for all is to repeal this legislation.

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/628382

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Bump.

Dare I say : even if you don’t think the GRA should be repealed, you might sign in order to at least see what the government response might be?!

Yes!

We need to get this going!

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/628382

Fed up with all the bullshit. Signed.

People who are gender critical do not agree on everything. Some would want to see the same sex marriage legislation repealed, some do not. Some want the abortion act repealed some do not. Some accept gender is a different concept to sex, others do not. Some think unisex toilets are ok others do not.

Sorry this is a long post but I am just trying to work something out. On this quote above, I instinctively felt that what Princessglittery described is mislabelling, a misrepresentation of what gender critical people believe. It is often seen on social media posted by TRAs to try to get anti-homophobic, pro-choice on abortion people not to support the gender critical position. It was everywhere during the Bell and Forstater cases.

I’m trying to put my finger on it and I think the problem is in how the term GC is used - a bit too widely sometimes? because ‘GC’ properly assumes that ‘gender’ is understood to be different from ‘gender identity’ and both are rejected.

1. gender is sexism, stereotypes of what is ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ imposed on all of our biologically sexed bodies. The patriarchy uses these stereotypes to elevate men and to subjugate women and gender non-conforming people. Goes back for millennia to promote male power.
   
2. gender identity politics is a recent trend arising in only the last few decades, around a belief that humans can change biological sex, or not have any biological sex, or can fluidly change sex several times a week. It’s fundamentally sexist too, because it completely relies on the sex stereotypes of ‘gender’ as the basis.
   
   So 1 and 2 are two quite different things and some people supprt 1 and not 2. Others support 2 and say they don’t support 1, because they don’t want to accept that 2 is absolutely rooted in sexist old 1.
   
   And in my experience what is called the GC position in GC women’s circles, combines an opposition to 1 and 2 part and parcel.
   
   In other circles (some of whom would describe themselves as conservative, whether or not also religious) people are objecting to (2) ie gender identity politics only. They might object to existing law around gender identity politics being retained, because they want to uphold sex stereotypes. Baldly that means they want masculinity to be projected solely on to men and femininity on to women. They disapprove of people who do not conform to those stereotypes.
   
   GC feminists support gender non conformity and are anti-sexist. I feel like I shouldn’t have to change labels because of them being misapplied but maybe I’d describe my views as feminist GC. I want the GRA repealed because you can’t change sex and it’s causing safety, privacy and dignity problems for women and girls. I have campaigned for abortion rights and against discrimination and violence against women, girls and lesbians, just like so many others on here.
   
   So yes in realistic, time bound pursuit of a defined policy goal I would happily work with (frankly) sexist organisations who actively want to impose ‘feminine’ gender roles on women (the opposite of what gender critical people believe) on those specific campaigns, but only where there is a point of common interest and only when sheer numbers of supporters are important. Then the next day I would be back campaigning against sexist policies.
   
   I don’t know if I’ve worked this out in my own mind yet but it’s helpful to try to set it out and see how it looks written down.

Signed and also I agree with Leafstamp’s point: people who aren’t sure what the legislation should be in future should definitely sign. What we have now isn’t working so let’s work out what would be better for biological women and girls (all of us, however those women or girls would describe their own gender identity, it doesn’t matter).

even if you don’t think the GRA should be repealed, you might sign in order to at least see what the government response might be?!

Good post, @Slothtoes.

I've seen religious conservatives labelled as "gender critical", when they are anything but.

Both gender ideologues and religious conservatives slavishly adhere to gender stereotypes. It's just that the religious conservatives believe that people should adhere to the gender stereotypes associated with their sex, whereas the gender ideologues believe that the gender stereotypes someone chooses to adhere to are what makes them a man or a woman.

Gender critical feminists reject the stereotypes altogether. It's deeply unhelpful to lump us all in together with everyone else who rejects gender ideology for whatever reason. But it is, I think, done deliberately to discredit us.

Thanks babyjellyfish I agree with all your points and you expressed them much more pithily than I ever could!
To religious conservatives I would also add some of the free speech and also libertarian/Spiked crowd, who would criticise the imposition of gender identity politics on public and private life but who aren’t that interested in challenging the imposition of gender on public and private life, ie they are not that interested in being actively anti-sexist.
I find the overlaps and the gaps of political support interesting here and would agree that ‘gender critical’ will continue to be increasingly even more used against women, as popular concern about gender ID policies grows in the wider public awareness.

It concerns me that the government is happy just to let this play out by doing nothing. That’s not support.. yet some women on these boards seem to feel they should start voting Conservative because that’s a GC party. It’s nonsense. None of the parties are actually GC. It all still feels really worrying not least because LGBTQ+ are still being widely conflated as if they were the same group.

It concerns me that the government is happy just to let this play out by doing nothing. That’s not support.. yet some women on these boards seem to feel they should start voting Conservative because that’s a GC party. It’s nonsense. None of the parties are actually GC. It all still feels really worrying not least because LGBTQ+ are still being widely conflated as if they were the same group.

Yes, there are no good options.

I can't vote Labour or Lib Dem due to this, so I will be spoiling my ballot paper.

@Slothtoes how is it mislabelling? How have I misrepresented what GC believe? The paragraph you chose to quote was part of a much longer post where I was expanding on why I believe revisions rather than repeal of the GRA is more achievable. It was my view, acknowledging not everyone would agree.

Human beings are complex and very rarely do we agree 100%. Anyone who believes biological sex is immutable can describe themselves as GC. As with Trans, GC is a wide umbrella and not just how each of us want to describe it. You describe it as opposition to your definitions of 1. gender and 2. gender identity politics but those are the definitions you chose to use. Others may disagree with your definitions and still be gender critical.

One of the big problems we all will face is getting consensus on what the law should be. If the GRA is repealed then the focus shifts to EA 2010 and the Gender reassignment protected characteristic and views on this will be wide ranging from those who want that section repealed to those who want non-binary included.

In my view following the recent judgement I believe the key focus for everyone under the GC umbrella, is to push for the EA 2010 to be amended so that sex means biological sex as per Maya Forstater’s petition. www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4670526-to-ask-you-to-sign-this-petition-for-govt-to-specify-that-sex-means-biological-sex-not-sex-as-modified-by-a-gender-recognition-certificate

Legislatively this is a relatively simple change, has support across the political spectrum and public support.

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Humans can not change from one sex class to the other & falsifying official documents should not be allowed.

I see no difference from "identifying" as a different age which we certainly don't support with documentation.

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