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Zero Covid campaign

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Wileykit · 01/07/2021 19:58

Could people please sign and share this petition to improve test and trace so that we can suppress the virus please? SAGE scientists dont think the vaccine will be enough on its own because of high transmission leading to mutations v quickly.. and also because of vaccine escape. Also some detail from the Zero Covid campaign below about mitigation measures that could be introduced in schools to make them much safer!

www.actionnetwork.org/petitions/test-and-trace

The government could introduce mitigation measures such as increased distancing (through the use of under-used buildings), enhanced ventilation and the reintroduction of masks. The enhanced ventilation would need to be introduced over the summer holidays and schools would need extra funding, and perhaps logistical support, for it. As Covid-19 is an airborne disease, good ventilation is essential to hindering its spread. Independent SAGE have been recommending such measures since the pandemic started. You can read the relevant report here:www.independentsage.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Schools-Jan-2021-final.pdf

This paragraph summarises their recommendations:
“Making schools safer: We have already addressed this issue in some detail in our November report, and so do not need to repeat it here. The crux of the issue is the need to implement the basic mitigation measures in the school environment: spatial distancing, good ventilation, masks (we support the use of masks in classrooms for secondary school students –as already occurs in Scotland–with exceptions for those who cannot wear them and with free provision so that all students have access to good quality protection), and hygiene measures.”

The World Heath Organization recommends something similar. See this report:www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789240017467

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GiveMeNovocain · 01/07/2021 21:27

Absolutely not. No more messing around with school children when every vulnerable adult is double vaccinated. The Oxford team have pointed out if the virus mutates enough to evade the vaccine it won't be able to function anymore. I've no idea why indie sage deny its effectiveness but it's beyond irresponsible to expect children to bear the brunt of their denial.

My child deserves a proper childhood without masks, distancing and with a full, enriching face to face education.

Ifitquacks · 01/07/2021 21:28

Self appointed sage on the one hand tell everyone we need to vaccinate our kids, then on the other tell us vaccines don’t work. So weird.

shewalkslikerihanna · 01/07/2021 21:36

It’s a big fat no from me too
Children have suffered enough

Ethelfromnumber73 · 01/07/2021 21:51

The zero Covid ship sailed in March 2020- it's now an endemic illness and we have to live with that and minimise it's effects through vaccination and measures to minimise localised outbreaks

Wileykit · 01/07/2021 22:10

New Zealand has been living life as normal since the start of the pandemic! South Korea has under 1000 deaths but ok... Good luck.

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Ifitquacks · 01/07/2021 22:16

If you call being unable to leave the country without paying thousands for quarantine on return ‘normal’ then I suspect we’re very different people.

bunnytheegghunter · 01/07/2021 22:17

No thanks

Wileykit · 01/07/2021 22:17

Zero Covid is possible at anytime after finishing lockdown with low transmission. 50% of kids have long covid by the way, symptoms lasting longer than 12 weeks.. The governmnet plans kids do invasive lateral flow tests daily rather than wear masks or improve ventilation. I know which i'd prefer... I can't really understand your reactions to this petition? news.stv.tv/north/mum-of-girl-with-long-covid-calls-for-specialist-clinics?top&fbclid=IwAR0FKMyPno4jvdrIw9d56pEqZ3dm_tOnewLMGdGu2yXGQPvsUvu1Pv_icnc

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AnyFucker · 01/07/2021 22:18

Nerp

Wileykit · 01/07/2021 22:19

To be honest you are describing all the consequences of NOT having an effective Covid strategy. These things will all play out anyway over the next 2 months.

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GiveMeNovocain · 01/07/2021 22:45

This study used a random selection of children rather than a self selecting sample. Please stop scaremongering about long Covid in children b

GiveMeNovocain · 01/07/2021 22:47

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.16.21257255v1

PiddleOfPuppies · 01/07/2021 22:47

Nope. No way.

WrinklesShminkles · 01/07/2021 22:52

Well, that went well Grin

Saidtoomuch · 01/07/2021 22:57

Where is your data link telling us 50% of children have long covid? Both my children have Covid currently and honestly they've had worse colds. We all just need to crack on and all get vaccinated.

Ifitquacks · 01/07/2021 23:02

I know at least 12 kids who have tested positive for Covid and none have long Covid (8 were entirely asymptomatic) so 50% seems unlikely.

FrangipaniBlue · 01/07/2021 23:10

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

VariantL1130 · 02/07/2021 07:02

50% of children do NOT get Long Covid. In this study which actually compared children with Covid antibodies to children without, (a huge step up from all the self reported studies we've had so far) the rates of ongoing symptoms were at a similar level to each other.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.16.21257255v1

"Among seropositive and seronegative 6-to 16-year-old children and adolescents, 9% versus 10% reported at least one symptom beyond 4 weeks, and 4% versus 2% at least one symptom beyond 12 weeks. None of the seropositive children reported hospitalization after October 2020. Seropositive children, all with a history of pauci-symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, did not report long COVID more frequently than seronegative children. This study suggests a very low prevalence of long COVID in a randomly selected population-based cohort of children followed over 6 months after serological testing."

user1473450164 · 02/07/2021 13:27

No! Zero Covid is a pipe dream. I want my life back.

Marmite27 · 02/07/2021 13:28

Yeah, that’s not going to work. Can you say endemic?

GoldenOmber · 02/07/2021 13:40

Your petition is actually to ‘scrap Serco and hand over responsibility for Covid-19 testing and contact tracing to local public health bodies’. Can you explain how that is going to work for the huge resource-intensive national testing programme?

Wileykit · 02/07/2021 22:31

Serco, a private company with little or no experience in health care, has just been given another £3 million to run the test and trace system. If this money was given to the NHS and to public health teams, which are now part of local government, we could build up our existing public health system and have a proper test and trace service. If the money is there, it needs to go to the right people:

Stephen Riecher: “Still our current test and trace is not fit for purpose. Still its taking twice as long to contact people as it should meaning we have people wandering around infecting people in the meantime. If we had a test and trace system that worked we would be bringing down infection rates by a huge amount!
The WHO stressed that vaccines help us but they are not enough to keep infections down.

By public health measures we aren’t talking about restrictions, we are talking about supporting people. Independent sage stand for measures that stop lockdowns, we dont support lockdowns!”

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Wileykit · 02/07/2021 22:43

Further information on test and trace here: zerocovid.uk/2021/06/29/test-and-trace/

You should note that South Korea have had 1000 deaths total and they did this by developing effective test and trace at the start of the pandemic and wearing masks. They are already talking about an autumn lockdown. People can talk about "getting back to normal" but with 27000 cases a day and 30% of the population unvaccinated, there is no way of getting back to normal yet.

"We are only a couple of months away from completing our vaccination program which means we dont need to reach herd immunity through infection - risking longterm health issues for millions of people!

We dont need to let millions more get infected and live with the consequences of that down the line. But thats the governments plan, and its a terrible plan!" Christina Pagel

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Wileykit · 02/07/2021 22:54

Not sure where i read 50%, these 2 articles say quarter and 13.4% (which is the figure i've seen more). Still quite high in a population of millions...

"Background
Earlier UK studies based on community surveys have shown that 4.4% and 10-13% of children, respectively, reported symptoms at four or more weeks after infection. However, judging from those children who present with symptoms requiring secondary care, the prevalence may be higher, up to a quarter of children may be affected by long COVID."

"Liliana is one of around 74,000 children suffering with the long-term debilitating effects of coronavirus, according to the ONS. The data shows that 13% of under 11s and about 15% of 12- to 16-year-olds reported at least one symptom five weeks after a positive Covid-19 test.

She first contracted coronavirus in late September – with the usual symptoms of a persistent cough and a loss of taste and smell. But by October 1, she was in hospital with a rash all over her body and swollen lymph nodes.

Since being discharged, the symptoms not only continued but worsened – Liliana experiences frequent headaches, nausea, fatigue, brain fog, severe nerve pain - where it hurts to touch her skin - and chest cramps."

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