Teachers

[Pliudev]

Surely it's not unreasonable to ask all Mumsnetters who have been vocal in wanting their children back in school to sign the petition demanding that teachers are vaccinated ASAP?

@BeingATwatItsABingThing I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m just saying why I, and many others I’ve spoken to, are getting so frustrated.

And I’m explaining why I and so many other teachers are getting so frustrated. If the teacher-bashing began during lockdown I could almost understand it. But it didn’t. This is not a new thing and I’m sick of it.

Of course there are teachers who are moaning. There are also people from other professions who are moaning. It’s not a competition over who has it worst! It’s shit for everyone.

I don't hate Teacher's. I taught in a secondary school for over 25 years before early retirement due to health. I have just been disappointed with the amount of moaning that Teachers have done and in first lockdown, very little work got sent home to secondary aged children. When I was still teaching we had to prepare snow lessons which consisted of a PowerPoint and a worksheet with follow up essay or comprehension excercise with questions or similar. Staff worked from home and we continued with specifications. No one moaned about using our own computers, we just got on with it. Students sent work back to school in drop box and work also got marked. My foster son, Year 9 got virtually no work at all during first lockdown. He was lucky because I taught him, but I know many children got no teaching for months. If Teachers feel Parents don't support them now I think that will be the ones who did not make the effort to teach in first lockdown. The ones who did work hard, sent work home and marked work or did online learning will be appreciated by parents and relationships will remain good.

No as I agree with the list as it ,done on a risk basis
My dh is having to go in peopled houses all throughout and he is waiting his turn and he is technically at risk everyday , but my 64 year old mum who also works with public is more at risk and she is still waiting .
Cev should all of been done
And I find it strange when people say 2/3 of the teachers in the school are cev

Special school staff in particular I think should be vaccinated forthwith as they have personal care involved in their work.

My friend is teacher in special school and she has been vaccinated

Oh and if I have to isolate for 2 weeks because I catch the virus then that is 200 odd kids who don't get any real teaching in a core subject for two weeks ... Schools do not have lots of spare teachers to just step in!

You would still have to isolate anyway , it doesn't necessarily stop you getting the virus , surely as a teacher you know this

It is completely unreasonable.

Vaccines must be distributed based on medical need. Anything else is unethical.

Police offers are allowed to wear PPE though, teachers are not

I keep reading that teachers aren’t ‘allowed’ to wear PPE, but they’re wearing it at our school (masks and visors). Are they breaking some sort of rule? They’ve been wearing masks since September. It’s a primary school.

Bloody hell I never thought anyone would come right out and say police officers are safer than teachers and therefore teachers should be ahead of police for vaccinations, but wow @Doublechins you've just gone right ahead and pretty much said it. Unbelievable.

@TakeTheCuntOutOfScunthorpe

Well, everyone should be - and is being - vaccinated ASAP.

The vaccine priority is based on risk of serious disease and death. Older teachers and those with serious health problems are already prioritised. Younger, healthy teachers have a very low risk of death if they catch the disease.

Yea they are but group 6 isn't done yet.

They are clinically vulnerable.

It also includes CV students over 16 who will be expected back in school as home learning won't continue for those who choose to stay home.

It would have made more sense IMO to wait for this to happen before opening giant Petri dishes. It would have been 3 extra weeks until Easter.

I'm CV but but not eligible:( have a flu jab every year

3 weeks is a lot when kids have already missed so much. CV should be done by time kids go back.

@Pliudev

I have sympathy with all those workers mentioned, I think I made that clear. However, given that the Chief Medical Officer has expressed his doubts about the wisdom of sending all pupils and teachers back on 8/3 and given that schools have been recognised as vectors for transmission, I still suggest that vaccination of teachers is paramount. There are 1,533 centres delivering vaccinations, among those are 89 mass centres. It really should be doable. I won't post again because I have made my point but I find the anti-teacher feeling here very disappointing, especially given the amount of complaining about home schooling.

This is why my heart sank when I read your OP and posted as much early on. As soon as anyone says that teachers deserve anything, it brings out those who have a problem with teachers. And it makes no difference that you're not a teacher. They won't take that in. They just go on about teachers demanding preferential treatment, when it's not a teacher that's asked for this.

This has been going on on mumsnet for the last year, and it's miserable to read. So sorry, you might have meant well, but all you've done is encourage the spite, sadly.

@caringcarer

3 weeks is a lot when kids have already missed so much. CV should be done by time kids go back.

My 16yo is due back in a 10 days.

We haven't had an appointment yet. Even if he somehow gets in for his group 6 apt before then he won't be covered until 3 weeks later.

And I'm sure there are plenty more 10's if not 100's of thousands facing the same as him.

Caringcarer the curriculum was suspended during the first lockdown by the government - some schools provided work and some didn't. Those that did were doing above and beyond expectations. Where I work lessons were provided as you described - only recorded for students to listen to. As time went on we did live zoom. Same thing happened at DS's school and many others. Please don't refer to all teachers when you actually mean the ones that taught your son - many of us worked bloody hard.
Lockdown now is a ball ache between planning, live, recording, marking etc. You have taken, again, the stand that teachers are moaning. There are a lot of us and the majority can't wait to return to school - we just wish it was safer. I am CEV and had my injection today. Still won't be immune when I get back to classes of 32 (currently teaching groups of 8 socially distanced vulnerable
Kids)

@MrBullinaChinaShop

Police offers are allowed to wear PPE though, teachers are not

I keep reading that teachers aren’t ‘allowed’ to wear PPE, but they’re wearing it at our school (masks and visors). Are they breaking some sort of rule? They’ve been wearing masks since September. It’s a primary school.

The government said that teachers weren't to wear masks. Some head teachers have overridden that instruction. Very few did so initially, but since the peak in January, a few more have given staff permission to wear them.

@eeek88

I’m a teacher, young and healthy, think schools should reopen ASAP and am happy to wait my turn for the vaccine behind those who are more vulnerable.

Wow this is a first! A teacher happy to turbo charge back to the frontline, waiting their turn & not protesting why they are more important than other frontline occupations.

@HopelesslyOptimistic

It’s not a first! Every teacher I know (and I know a lot of teachers - my colleagues, many of my friends and several of my family members) has this mentality. Even the ones who are CEV and CV want to go back to work normally as soon as possible.

@BeingATwatItsABingThing

People only attack teachers for demanding they be considered.

I want everyone to have the vaccine. I am a teacher but I’m on maternity leave currently. Even if I wasn’t, I would happily wait my turn as long as the right people were prioritised. I want my Dad prioritised. He has severe asthma but apparently that doesn’t require him to be prioritised. He’s also 60 next year. Nope.

I am grateful to everyone who has done their part during this pandemic. Everyone who has put their own health at risk to help others. HCPs, supermarket workers, teachers, EYFS staff, public transport staff... The list is endless.

I just want people to leave my profession alone. Stop attacking us! Stop encouraging people to tear us apart. We don’t think we have it worse than anyone else. We don’t think our jobs are harder than other people’s. We don’t think we should be vaccinated before everyone else.

You clearly haven't read what I've read. Use the search tool & you may eat your words.

@HopelesslyOptimistic you should use the search function yourself. Many many teachers have posted on threads like this saying they don't want to be put ahead of others, and they DO want all the kids in school. And of course many of them HAVE been on the front line through the year. My daughter and her partner have been at work throughout, teaching KW children when their schools have been open.

[quote saraclara]@HopelesslyOptimistic you should use the search function yourself. Many many teachers have posted on threads like this saying they don't want to be put ahead of others, and they DO want all the kids in school. And of course many of them HAVE been on the front line through the year. My daughter and her partner have been at work throughout, teaching KW children when their schools have been open.[/quote]
Sorry my response was not for you but the person who engaged me. I'm thrilled your daughter is doing the job she's paid & chose to do. Excuse my ignorance, have I missed your point?

saraclara can you sign post me to all those threads you mention where teachers are willing, without complaint, to crack on with teaching. I'm really trying to get behind teachers, but, failing miserably.

@HopelesslyOptimistic

Sorry my response was not for you but the person who engaged me.

You know on an online forum that anyone can reply to anyone right? @saraclara is perfectly allowed to reply to you and your response back is rude!

You responded to me by quoting something else I said rather than what I replied to you with. Why? That comment wasn’t aimed at you (see the irony here?). My later comment was.

I don’t need to use the search function. I am talking about real teachers that I know in real life. People on MN can be absolutely anyone and say whatever they like. I know actual teachers and am basing my experiences on them.

The majority of teacher posts I see on MN are from concerned teachers about the safety of return not about having to go back to doing their normal job. They want to have a say on how this return works because the government have constantly said children are not passing it on when that is just untrue. Knowing how best to open a school to avoid the spread should have been left to schools to organise not some MP sat in an office who has never stepped foot in a school since leaving themselves.

[quote BeingATwatItsABingThing]@HopelesslyOptimistic

Sorry my response was not for you but the person who engaged me.

You know on an online forum that anyone can reply to anyone right? @saraclara is perfectly allowed to reply to you and your response back is rude!

You responded to me by quoting something else I said rather than what I replied to you with. Why? That comment wasn’t aimed at you (see the irony here?). My later comment was.

I don’t need to use the search function. I am talking about real teachers that I know in real life. People on MN can be absolutely anyone and say whatever they like. I know actual teachers and am basing my experiences on them.

The majority of teacher posts I see on MN are from concerned teachers about the safety of return not about having to go back to doing their normal job. They want to have a say on how this return works because the government have constantly said children are not passing it on when that is just untrue. Knowing how best to open a school to avoid the spread should have been left to schools to organise not some MP sat in an office who has never stepped foot in a school since leaving themselves.[/quote]
Rude - how?
Why - because you know, online forums anyone can respond with what they like.
No idea what on earth your point is in para/3. Nor do I need to know, couldn't cope with anymore procrastinating. Sorry, now that was a tad rude.
Your talking to real teachers, MH can be anyone - sorry I'll take any advice from you with a pinch of salt then. I thought you were a real teacher on mat leave.
Gov have constantly stated kids don't pass on the virus - to the contrary. Only a fool believes kids don't spread it. I caught it from my son, who caught it from his teacher.
One MP sat in an office, I'm sure has not made all COVID related decisions on his lonesome.

Enjoy your mat leave, it's a special time.

Your talking to real teachers, MH can be anyone - sorry I'll take any advice from you with a pinch of salt then. I thought you were a real teacher on mat leave.

Yeah, do because me saying I’m a teacher on an anonymous forum could just be bullshit. My posting history will back me up but I could be really good at lying.

All in all, you sound like a peach so I’m not going to bother replying to anymore. You’re right about mat leave though.

Can people who are not cops please stop saying they're allowed to wear PPE and don't sit in small stuffy rooms with windows that don't open!

Anyone on MN who isn't a teacher gets shouted at for commenting on what it's like in schools (fair enough) but loads of people feel fine to comment on what the police do and do not have!

No one should comment unless you've chased someone down and rolled around on the floor with them before arresting them (I have btw). PPE makes no difference if the suspect spits in your face (not uncommon) and nowadays they'll helpfully tell you they have Covid.

And I'm not a cop - but I work with them every day and I get frustrated on their behalf!!

I do think police should be prioritised for the vaccine but JCVi has said it's safer to do it by age - so that's what the Gov are doing. Hopefully we'll hit all the over 50s before 15 April and will finish all adults before the end of July.