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To ask you to sign the petition 'Do not prorogue Parliament'

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Livingtothefull · 28/08/2019 22:32

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2019 07:43

I signed it yesterday. Don't know if it will do any good but I'm aghast at what's happening. Long list of Tory ministers who swore blind a few weeks ago during the leadership campaign they would never countenance anything like this. Where are the resignations on principle now? Stupid question, I know. Greedy, selfish, self-interested cowards.

Phimma · 29/08/2019 07:44

Will not sign, I think it's the best idea yet. So pleased Queeny saw sense too and agreed it.

Carthage · 29/08/2019 07:51

Milliefiori, I feel for you. How do people feel having such a staunch Brexiteer in a Remain constituency?

1Wildheartsease · 29/08/2019 08:06

I have signed.
How can it be right to have an unelected PM dismissing the elected governing body?

We like to think that we are part of a democracy not a dictatorship.

(I don't like the way Mr Trump seems so pleased either. Apparently the EU are tough to negotiate with ... he expects us to be a pushover. Are we simply leaping into his control?)

Sunflowers211 · 29/08/2019 12:11

Unelected PM you all take offence too but had no issue with another unelected PM trying her best to keep us in The EU? The Hypocrisy is outrageous in here today !!

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 29/08/2019 14:59

@Bluntness100 I do see your point - this does give a short time in which remainers can act. However, I'm not sure I have enough faith in the opposition at the moment to stop posturing and do something useful to actually stop Brexit/get a deal.

howwudufeel · 29/08/2019 15:02

I can’t see the point of it.

1Wildheartsease · 29/08/2019 15:46

@Sunflowers211 our previous unelected PM (May) didn't attempt to exclude our (elected) parliament from decision making.

donquixotedelamancha · 29/08/2019 16:19

I can’t see the point of it.

"Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK's intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled."

Well, I suppose it is quite hard to follow.

The petition is saying it's bad for the Prime Minister (he's the leader of the country) to shut parliament (the people we choose to make laws). It's asking for parliament to stay open until they have sorted out how the UK (that's our country) will leave the EU (a group of other countries). If the UK leaves the EU without sorting any details out it will cause lots of problems.

Does that help?

MrsKCastle · 29/08/2019 16:27

Grin donquixote fantastic explanation!

Bluntness100 · 29/08/2019 16:45

The thing is Boris is in a do or die situation, it's that simple.

He doesn't want no deal.
He wishes us to leave on 31 Oct with a deal.
The current deal is not acceptable to parliament. He cannot bring Teresa mays deal forward for a vote..
He needs to get it changed.
The eu will absolutely not change it unless they have a worse threat, which is we leave with no deal and don't pay the 39 billion.
Then it is absolutely preferential for them to change it rather than risk that.
If they think we will just extend again, they will not change the deal.
If parliament sits they will take no deal off the table.without a shadow of a doubt they will take no deal off the table and force him to seek an extension like Teresa May.
If no deal is off the table the eu will continue to grant no further concessions.
We will extend and stay in. The eu would like us to extend and stay in.

The only hope Boris has of getting a better deal is to stop parliament removing no deal. That's it, it's a one golden shot to get the eu to grant us further concessions. No deal and no payment is our one and only bargaining chip.

Is it democratic what he's doing? Arguably not. But if he leaves it to parliament then it will be no different to when Teresa May was in the chair. They will agree on no preferred option and remove no deal. We will be back to square one.

So he's given enough time when they sit again to either remove no deal or ratify a new deal, whilst preventing them removing his bargaining chip until then.

The eus prefered option is we stay. If no deal is taken off the table we will extend. Given a chance, Parliament will remove no deal. With absolute certainty they will remove that option and force him to seek an extension. Just like they did with Teresa May.

What he's done, is taken that option away from parliament as best as he can, to try to force concessions from the eu to get a deal through. If he fails, parliament can still remove no deal when they sit again. If he succeeds they can ratify a deal. They have enough time for either option.

I'm no fan of Boris, I'm a remainer through and through, but what he is doing is not idiotic. What he's doing is giving himself the best and only chance possible to get a deal and make brexit happen.

Because if parliament has a say, they will make us extend. No deal is not an option for them, neither is the current deal.

If you don't want an extension, and you want us to exit, and you understand parliament will never permit no deal, they will legally force him to seek an extension, and the eu will always grant that extension, then You should probably be supporting him in what he is attempting to do.

As said, it's not difficult to comprehend. It's as ballsy as hell. But pretending parliament or the eu will behave any differently to when they did when Teresa May was in the chair a few weeks ago is ludicrous.

This really is his only hope.

donquixotedelamancha · 29/08/2019 18:54

The eu will absolutely not change it unless they have a worse threat, which is we leave with no deal and don't pay the 39 billion. Then it is absolutely preferential for them to change it rather than risk that.

No, they won't. That is not a worse threat. They simply cannot sign an agreement which allows the UK to break the Good Friday agreement. It's a fundamental tenet of the EU that they can't screw over one member to benefit the other- if they did it would all break down.

If they think we will just extend again, they will not change the deal.

They don't think that. They know it's going to be no deal and are resigned to that. The EU is made up of lots of countries, their decision making processes are a slow consensus. This is not ballsy, even Mr Johnson doesn't think it will work (in that way). It's posturing to appear ballsy in order to win over right wing voters.

For the whole of the UK's political history we have rejected populist strongmen in favour of sensible, reasonable politicians. They have not all be brilliant (far from it) but we have always eschewed the Trumps and the Bolsonaros. I hope to god we stay true to form next election.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/08/2019 19:21

What's with the continuous "unelected PM" thing?

We don't have a system where the electorate votes for a PM, ever!

Boris is PM is the same way as every other PM has been PM... the party he belongs to was voted in and that party selcted him as its leader. Some are in place during a GE, others come inbetween GEs.

It barely matters what the electorate want any more... it isn't Boris alone who has diminished our democracy - sitting MPs have been doing that for 3 years! It doesn't matter hwo you voted, in or Out, the MPs who we elect and pay for have been acting like 2 year olds, simply saying no and not even trying to be part of a solution. Had they been doing that then there would have been a cross party group leading Brexit from the get-go and we would have had meaningful, understandable deals to discuss.

One pundit on the radio today said that no matter how Brexit goes there are few MPs who will be even a little optimistic about retaining their seats. Once the electorate gets a chance to show its displeasure there will be something of an upheaval... a real coup... and ALL MPs will have shoudler some of the blame!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/08/2019 19:25

The thing is Boris is in a do or die situation, it's that simple.

Yep! No matter what he does his career is over. He has 100 days (I think) to do something that every MP is, in some way, fighting to prevent.. they collectively say no to A Deal they collectively say no to No Deal...

Give what has, or has not, happened in the last 3 years he has little choice but to strongarm something through... it would have been better done 3 years ago, rather than the apologetic stance that was taken.

No matter how you voted your MPs have not served you well!

KennDodd · 29/08/2019 19:47

The eu would like us to extend and stay in.

I don't agree anymore. I think the mood changed a while ago and the EU now want us out. I agree that they don't want no deal though, but no deal is preferable and less damaging to the EU than compromising the single market.

Carthage · 30/08/2019 00:02

If he was really ballsy he'd have put his money where his mouth is and have called for a general election to ratify his proposed action and if to see if he could achieve a majority to build a parliamentary consensus.

But I don't think he's got the guts for that as I think in his heart of hearts he doesn't believe he'd win. He prefers to put two fingers up at parliamentary democracy.

Phimma · 30/08/2019 07:09

Just this

To ask you to sign the petition 'Do not prorogue Parliament'
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