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Petition to stop male crime being reported as female crime

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Agerbilatemycardigan · 04/07/2018 22:31

After the recent tube station attack, there was an outcry by members of the public who objected to the way the attack was reported as being committed by women, when it was obvious that the attackers were male.

Please sign the below petition to stop this from happening in the future.

www.change.org/p/sajid-when-men-are-arrested-charge-their-crime-as-a-male-crime-not-their-self-identified-gender?recruiter=8398736&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial.OeZwVSukQ4uHvgFPW1LGRQ.3

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Sillydoggy · 05/07/2018 10:26

Signed. I was shocked that the petion on the parliament site was rejected. How can it be unreasonable to ask why police practice does not follow the law?

CruellaDeVilsEvilSister · 05/07/2018 10:33

Signed!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/07/2018 10:35

Signed

AccioWine · 05/07/2018 10:39

Signed. Thanks and thanks to Jean Hatchet.

DadJoke · 05/07/2018 10:41

With arrests, there is an argument for recording whether a person is transgender or not for statistical purposes, but this will petition never fly, because it's based on the assumption that transwomen are men, so it will get immediately dismissed. If you want to fight for sex-based rights, you need to be more clever.

UpstartCrow · 05/07/2018 10:41

919, its going up fast Smile

drradfem · 05/07/2018 10:47

Nearly on 1000! Please keep sharing

mimivanne · 05/07/2018 11:46

Signed and shared

DadJoke · 05/07/2018 12:19

What you are signing here is a petition which basically says "transwomen are men." I know that's a popular opinion here, but it's not what your petition is for, I hope.

Because of the prevelance of transphobic hate crime, it makes sense to record the gender status of the victim, and for your agenda, the perpetrator. A carefully worded petition to this effect will garner a load more signatures, and might even get you somewhere.

However, if this is just to make you feel good, knock yourselves out.

AnyaMumsnet · 05/07/2018 12:23

Hi there everyone. We've had some requests for this thread to be moved to petitions and activism. We think it would be better suited there, so we'll be moving it shortly.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2018 12:52

DadJoke The petition doesn't say anything about the recording of the 'gender status' of the victim. Confused

FWIW it would probably be useful to record both the sex and the 'gender' of victims so that correct analysis can be done. And actually, yes, it might well be a good idea to record both for the alleged perpetrator too.

But that probably takes time to implement, extra boxes on forms, extra fields in databases...

What is completely unacceptable for crimes committed by one sex to be recorded as the other because of the conflation of sex and gender. That's the immediate and easily solved problem which the petition aims to address. Maybe it would be better if it had been worded neutrally to also include the possibility of crimes committed by females being recorded as by men but in practice they're probably rare and statistically insignificant.

Thymelord · 05/07/2018 12:56

Just signed and shared on facebook.

DadJoke · 05/07/2018 13:18

@ErrolTheDragon " Maybe it would be better if it had been worded neutrally to also include the possibility of crimes committed by females being recorded as by men but in practice they're probably rare and statistically insignificant."

^
This

This petition will go nowhere because it's not worded neutrally.

Snappity · 05/07/2018 13:40

And if someone says, "What is my sex?" how do the police answer? Because the MB judgment in the European Court of Justice demonstrates that it might not be the sex on a person's birth certificate.

And what of someone from overseas who hasn't got a GRC but who has changed their passport. What is his/her sex?

This is a really poorly thought out petition.

Middleoftheroad · 05/07/2018 13:48

What you are signing here is a petition which basically says "transwomen are men." I know that's a popular opinion here,

It's not just a popular opinion here. It is a worldwide bioligical fact.

Middleoftheroad · 05/07/2018 13:48

Biological even!

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2018 14:57

It should go somewhere with anyone capable of reading beyond the title and giving a passing thought to statistics.

Anyone who knows about Jean Hatchet's rides isn't likely to quibble.

DancingLedge · 05/07/2018 16:30

Now at 1300

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2018 17:23

Bump. Signed.

Jeanhatchet · 05/07/2018 19:43

Thanks so much to everyone signing! Good work women.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 05/07/2018 20:05

1505
Right back at you jean Flowers

Waddlelikeapenguin · 05/07/2018 22:13

1,623 have signed Smile

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2018 22:43

1685

ErrolTheDragon · 06/07/2018 07:09

1945

Waddlelikeapenguin · 06/07/2018 10:07

2050 Please sign & share