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The insidious replacement of 'probably' by the americanism 'likely'.

115 replies

sidebirds · 08/07/2025 12:16

Intolerable!

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Pedant5corner · 16/07/2025 19:04

Innit is accepted as a slang word.
Would of will be accepted at some point.

sidebirds · 16/07/2025 19:10

OchonAgusOchonOh · 16/07/2025 13:29

I'll see your laying instead if lying and raise you the use of sat and stood instead of sitting and standing.

You were sitting/standing, not sat/stood.

😂😂😂 I will slightly stand up for 'sat', in the case of dialectical usage. Can't recall from which part of the country it originates or apparently originates - somewhere northerly? I give it a pass in such cases as it strikes me as along the lines of the cockney 'fink' for 'think' - entirely tolerable.

Don't get me started on how the latter ⬆️ has spread like wildfire; it's commonplace now to hear non-cockney newsreaders and weather presenters employ it, in a variety of forms: often one word with this sound in a sentence is mispronounced while another is pronounced correctly. Then we have 'vuh' instead of 'the', etc.:

I fink it's time to shut vuh window; vere's a fick cloud of vose flying ants coming in 🤔

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Pedant5corner · 16/07/2025 19:20

Moffs and aunts are a problem here.

sidebirds · 16/07/2025 19:30

RitaIncognita · 16/07/2025 18:47

There are so many words in English whose current meaning is different from the original meaning. Are we going to call the use of these words in their current meaning incorrect? What a silly notion. ("Silly" is one of those words, by the way).

Fair comment 👍🏾. I am objecting to recent or current misusage as my small contribution to attempting to save certain aspects of the language or individual terms within it from the encroachment of - and eventual decimation [sic 😂] by - americanisms, illiteracy, ignorance, stupidity; and sometimes an admixture of all four 😢.

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OchonAgusOchonOh · 16/07/2025 20:18

sidebirds · 16/07/2025 19:10

😂😂😂 I will slightly stand up for 'sat', in the case of dialectical usage. Can't recall from which part of the country it originates or apparently originates - somewhere northerly? I give it a pass in such cases as it strikes me as along the lines of the cockney 'fink' for 'think' - entirely tolerable.

Don't get me started on how the latter ⬆️ has spread like wildfire; it's commonplace now to hear non-cockney newsreaders and weather presenters employ it, in a variety of forms: often one word with this sound in a sentence is mispronounced while another is pronounced correctly. Then we have 'vuh' instead of 'the', etc.:

I fink it's time to shut vuh window; vere's a fick cloud of vose flying ants coming in 🤔

Nope, sorry. Not buying it.

"I done it" and "I seen it" are also used dialectically where I'm from. They are equally wrong.

And don't get me started on the use of "and I" when it should be "and me".

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 16/07/2025 20:26

Something I've noticed is the changing of the pronunciation of the word 'the'. Instead of eliding it with a vowel sound of the following word (e.g 'the other' is pronounced theeyother), it's now pronounced separately, as in 'the book'. Same pronunciation of 'the'. People such as Marvin and Rochelle Humes ( from Essex, I believe) do it when presenting The Hit List. I grew up in South London and it's a common pronunciation there now, but wasn't when I was young. I've no idea why it's happening. Anyone?

sidebirds · 17/07/2025 14:30

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 16/07/2025 20:26

Something I've noticed is the changing of the pronunciation of the word 'the'. Instead of eliding it with a vowel sound of the following word (e.g 'the other' is pronounced theeyother), it's now pronounced separately, as in 'the book'. Same pronunciation of 'the'. People such as Marvin and Rochelle Humes ( from Essex, I believe) do it when presenting The Hit List. I grew up in South London and it's a common pronunciation there now, but wasn't when I was young. I've no idea why it's happening. Anyone?

I have also spotted this and would like to know... 🤔

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MixedFeelingsNoFeelings · 17/07/2025 14:56

Me too! I'm increasingly hearing it on the radio. I first noticed Amol Rajan doing it on the Today programme, then heard it on other stations too.

Ay report instead of uh report.
Thee legislation instead of thuh legislation.

I wondered whether it was to slow speech down and make each word more distinct. Amol in particular had a very fast, run-on delivery, and I do find him easier to listen to now. But the technique does make speech sound a bit artificial.

Edited to say: sorry, just realised this isn't quite what you were talking about, @DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy ! But in same category of 'weird shit happening to definite and indefinite articles' :😁

upinaballoon · 17/07/2025 17:13

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 16/07/2025 20:26

Something I've noticed is the changing of the pronunciation of the word 'the'. Instead of eliding it with a vowel sound of the following word (e.g 'the other' is pronounced theeyother), it's now pronounced separately, as in 'the book'. Same pronunciation of 'the'. People such as Marvin and Rochelle Humes ( from Essex, I believe) do it when presenting The Hit List. I grew up in South London and it's a common pronunciation there now, but wasn't when I was young. I've no idea why it's happening. Anyone?

Many people throughout the world speak English now, not only English people, so I think pronunciation is changed by all of those voices. I know what you're talking about. I woulds say 'thee EU' but Katya Adler always said/says 'thuh EU'.

RitaIncognita · 17/07/2025 17:24

Well, the general rule, to the extent that there is one, is to use the weaker form before consonants, and "thee" before vowels. Of course many speakers of English use the weaker form before vowels, including a full-on elision. I haven't heard many speakers of American English using "thee" before consonants.

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 17/07/2025 18:02

RitaIncognita · 17/07/2025 17:24

Well, the general rule, to the extent that there is one, is to use the weaker form before consonants, and "thee" before vowels. Of course many speakers of English use the weaker form before vowels, including a full-on elision. I haven't heard many speakers of American English using "thee" before consonants.

Of course (your first point). But my point wasn't about American pronunciation, or other Englishes; I've noticed this shift with young Brits over the past few years.

trainedopossum · 20/07/2025 18:08

Some of the language that’s derided as American on MN is unrecognisable to actual Americans. I assume it works its way around via TikTok/YouTube.
Why do British people use it?
The French efforts to counteract franglais have been mixed at best.

upinaballoon · 20/07/2025 20:10

upinaballoon · 17/07/2025 17:13

Many people throughout the world speak English now, not only English people, so I think pronunciation is changed by all of those voices. I know what you're talking about. I woulds say 'thee EU' but Katya Adler always said/says 'thuh EU'.

Look at that 'woulds'. I'm annoyed by that but I don't think I can edit at this late stage.

Theyreeatingthedogs · 20/07/2025 22:22

sidebirds · 16/07/2025 19:10

😂😂😂 I will slightly stand up for 'sat', in the case of dialectical usage. Can't recall from which part of the country it originates or apparently originates - somewhere northerly? I give it a pass in such cases as it strikes me as along the lines of the cockney 'fink' for 'think' - entirely tolerable.

Don't get me started on how the latter ⬆️ has spread like wildfire; it's commonplace now to hear non-cockney newsreaders and weather presenters employ it, in a variety of forms: often one word with this sound in a sentence is mispronounced while another is pronounced correctly. Then we have 'vuh' instead of 'the', etc.:

I fink it's time to shut vuh window; vere's a fick cloud of vose flying ants coming in 🤔

No, no, no, no, no!!!

Fink instead of think is merely pronunciation in the cockney dialect.

Sat/sitting, stood/standing, laid/lying are incorrect use of tense.

Not comparable in any way.

mathanxiety · 20/07/2025 22:45

Fairyvocals · 08/07/2025 21:38

“The prime minister will likely go to Buckingham Palace Friday to meet the king”.

That's more definite, in my book, than 'probably'.

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