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The insidious replacement of 'probably' by the americanism 'likely'.

115 replies

sidebirds · 08/07/2025 12:16

Intolerable!

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sidebirds · 14/07/2025 18:26

Two more intolerable (and nonsensical) americanisms that are like having teeth pulled whether in the USA or here:

step foot

light on fire

Not to mention what seems to be a British corruption of a British term that was originally poor into the bargain:

off [someone's] own back (instead of bat)

I need a drink... 🥃 🤯

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ShoeeMcfee · 14/07/2025 18:30

I'm with you, OP.

sidebirds · 14/07/2025 18:39

Anemone52 · 14/07/2025 18:23

I would associate this with the UK more than the US.

Fairyvocals · 08/07/2025 21:38
“The prime minister will likely go to Buckingham Palace Friday to meet the king”.

I would associate this with the UK more than the US.


That's incorrect - totally American. British version would be:

The Prime Minister is likely [OR is quite likely] to go to Buckingham Palace on Friday to meet the King.

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Pinkissmart · 14/07/2025 18:40

Well, I'm Canadian, and we use some of these appalling and intolerable usages.

There is so much fucking intolerance in this country for any evolution of language.

Pedant5corner · 14/07/2025 18:45

@Pinkissmart , we don't tolerate foul language either.

Overtheatlantic · 14/07/2025 18:46

Pinkissmart · 14/07/2025 18:40

Well, I'm Canadian, and we use some of these appalling and intolerable usages.

There is so much fucking intolerance in this country for any evolution of language.

There’s so much fucking intolerance in this country for anything American. It’s tiresome.

Pinkissmart · 14/07/2025 18:52

Pedant5corner · 14/07/2025 18:45

@Pinkissmart , we don't tolerate foul language either.

Well, you know, it's exhausting being continually judged because of my accent.
And threads like this are allowed to run, with new ones started regularly.
Exhausting.

Pedant5corner · 14/07/2025 18:54

@Pinkissmart , it's in Pedants' Corner. If pedantry isn't your thing, scroll by.

clary · 14/07/2025 19:04

Ahhhh yes I hate this! I thought it was just me. My job {dream job} includes reading and correcting copy and I must see “We will likely be able to do this” or similar 5 times a week. No. Just no.

@PlasticAcrobat using likely instead of probable – both adjectives – is fine, but the OP (and I) are talking about using likely as an adverb instead of probably.

See Collins (second meaning, point 8) www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/likely

Fairyvocals · 14/07/2025 19:13

I have no problem with American English in an American context. I’ve worked in it for almost 30 years. But there are things that jar when they appear in British publications. We do get used to them eventually, though.

Hedjwitch · 14/07/2025 19:19

Pick out and swap out really annoy me. The out is superfluous.

But my biggest peeve with TV/Radio presenters is still the way they say Sikth instead of Sixth. It drives me mad.

sidebirds · 14/07/2025 19:59

Hedjwitch · 14/07/2025 19:19

Pick out and swap out really annoy me. The out is superfluous.

But my biggest peeve with TV/Radio presenters is still the way they say Sikth instead of Sixth. It drives me mad.

"Sikth instead of Sixth" 🤢 - couldn't agree more. Slipping standards like this exonerated, in fact subliminally encouraged, by the mass media are indicative of a wider decline.

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sidebirds · 14/07/2025 20:09

Pinkissmart · 14/07/2025 18:40

Well, I'm Canadian, and we use some of these appalling and intolerable usages.

There is so much fucking intolerance in this country for any evolution of language.

All these instances are anything but evolution of language; they are variously regressive, illiterate, & nonsensical.

For example, one that hasn't been mentioned on this thread: decimate. A specific term meaning to reduce by a tenth that is now almost exclusively employed as a synonym for annihilate, obliterate, etc. I suppose this offence against the English language is simply "evolution of language", though? 🙄 A unique term corrupted & lost through the action of illiterates. (Don't get me started on 'ec cetera' 😡).

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BurntBroccoli · 14/07/2025 23:42

MixedFeelingsNoFeelings · 14/07/2025 17:22

OMG I've been hating 'likely' for years, good to know I'm not alone. To continue the theme I should probably have said 'hating on'...

Here are some more American-import faves. I think I've posted them before on another pedant thread but never mind!

Ride the bus instead of get the bus
Work two jobs instead of have two jobs
Watch a child instead of babysit, or mind a child
Pick out instead of choose
Named for instead of named after
Excited for instead of excited about
The ocean instead of the sea (especially funny when talking about the English Channel)

I should add that I think these are glorious in their natural US habitat - just wish we could keep our own phrasal verbs and vocab.

“I guess” instead of “I think”. I’ve been using the former myself, and I caught myself the other day!

sidebirds · 15/07/2025 00:12

BurntBroccoli · 14/07/2025 23:42

“I guess” instead of “I think”. I’ve been using the former myself, and I caught myself the other day!

"I guess” instead of “I think”. I’ve been using the former myself, and I caught myself the other day!"

100% 🎯 Part of a decades-long undercurrent in which americanisms are subliminally deemed 'modern' at the expense (wait - I think I grew up saying 'expence', am I also being sucked into this hellhole? RSVP) of perfectly sound English synonyms. (The American terms fine when spoken by Americans, of course - naturally as long as not along the lines of nonsensical monstrosities such as the aforementioned 'step foot', et al..).

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trainedopossum · 15/07/2025 01:36

Anemone52 · 14/07/2025 18:23

I would associate this with the UK more than the US.

Yes, same here.

GoodVibesOnly21 · 15/07/2025 01:48

DiscoBob · 09/07/2025 11:22

You'll 'probably' hate me then, as I used 'mostly' in that context. Like 'he's mostly an arsehole' rather than he probably is one. I'm not sure if that really even makes sense?

There is definitely a difference between probably and mostly in the context of that sentence. But, I’ve had a glass of wine and can't remember the original question in the OP!

GripGetter · 15/07/2025 01:56

To me, "mostly" makes sense if he's an arsehole most of the time, or in most situations, but not always.

capitanaamerica · 15/07/2025 05:46

“The prime minister will likely go to Buckingham Palace Friday to meet the king”.

As PPs have said, this is not standard US English and not common usage in the US. "The PM is likely to go..." would be more likely (sorry) in a news broadcast than "the PM will probably go", but I see that as part of a general trend that language in the mainstream media in the USA right now is slightly more formal than the equivalent in the UK.

“I guess” instead of “I think”. "I guess" and "I think" have different meanings in US English. I agree that "I guess" is an Americanism, but the closest UK equivalent is probably "I suppose" (or maybe regionally "I reckon" or "I dare say", which are also used in the US.) "I guess" usually suggests a reluctance or hesitancy, whereas "I think" is declarative and decisive.

99bottlesofkombucha · 15/07/2025 06:34

would you like some quotations from the works of that renowned American, William Shakespeare? ”This was the first, and likely is the last, / That Rome shall end, for law is quite extinct.”. Titus Andronicus, but there are plenty of other examples.

LillyPJ · 15/07/2025 06:39

What's wrong with 'likely'? It means the same thing and is easier to say. Do you object to 'likelihood' instead of 'probability' too?

PlasticAcrobat · 15/07/2025 08:23

clary · 14/07/2025 19:04

Ahhhh yes I hate this! I thought it was just me. My job {dream job} includes reading and correcting copy and I must see “We will likely be able to do this” or similar 5 times a week. No. Just no.

@PlasticAcrobat using likely instead of probable – both adjectives – is fine, but the OP (and I) are talking about using likely as an adverb instead of probably.

See Collins (second meaning, point 8) www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/likely

Yes, I know that. I was talking about the adverbial use and why it might sound clunky to some.

Pedant5corner · 15/07/2025 08:27

(The American terms fine when spoken by Americans, of course - naturally as long as not along the lines of nonsensical monstrosities such as the aforementioned 'step foot', et al..).
Incorrect use of et al.

Pedant5corner · 15/07/2025 08:30

@LillyPJ , What's wrong with 'likely'? It means the same thing and is easier to say.
It doesn't in this context.
Do you object to 'likelihood' instead of 'probability' too?
Why would we?

PlasticAcrobat · 15/07/2025 08:33

Incorrect use of et al.

Why? Doesn't it just mean 'and others'?

Just because it is normally associated with citations, doesn't mean it can't be used more generally as a shorthand.