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Disappearance of ‘of’

33 replies

Seymour5 · 20/06/2025 06:43

Quite a few times recently I’ve heard and read someone has gone ‘out the house’. I’ve always gone ‘out of the house’.

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sorrynotathome · 20/06/2025 06:44

Balances out when people insist on saying “I got that thing off of the table”.

Sofiewoo · 20/06/2025 06:45

I’ve only ever heard this with northern accents, it’s not new and it’s not widespread across the country

DanglingMod · 20/06/2025 06:46

I thought that this was going to be about "a couple."

Almost everyone under 35 I know seems to say "a couple biscuits" instead of "a couple of biscuits..."

Pommes · 20/06/2025 06:46

Word takes it away for ‘concision’. I miss it too.

Tillytir · 20/06/2025 06:47

Also “to”

I am going Tenerife next week

EducatingArti · 20/06/2025 06:51

Sofiewoo · 20/06/2025 06:45

I’ve only ever heard this with northern accents, it’s not new and it’s not widespread across the country

It happens all the time in books. I listen to a lot of audio books ( mostly detective type fiction) and it so annoys me when people look "out the window". It doesn't seem to be particularly a northern thing there. At least I'm assuming that not all the authors and editors are northern.

I did wonder if it was to suit an American readership.

Seymour5 · 20/06/2025 06:52

Tillytir · 20/06/2025 06:47

Also “to”

I am going Tenerife next week

This too! Aaarrgghh!

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ItsUpToYou · 20/06/2025 06:54

Tillytir · 20/06/2025 06:47

Also “to”

I am going Tenerife next week

I’m a teacher. The amount of times I’m asked “Can I go toilet?” during the day is insane. I always tell them to ask again using a full sentence (and manners!)

GreySkyAtNight · 20/06/2025 06:55

Tillytir · 20/06/2025 06:47

Also “to”

I am going Tenerife next week

Nooo too far.

ItsUpToYou · 20/06/2025 06:55

EducatingArti · 20/06/2025 06:51

It happens all the time in books. I listen to a lot of audio books ( mostly detective type fiction) and it so annoys me when people look "out the window". It doesn't seem to be particularly a northern thing there. At least I'm assuming that not all the authors and editors are northern.

I did wonder if it was to suit an American readership.

I imagine Americans would generally still be using “of”, since they tend to say “outta” a lot in speech.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 20/06/2025 06:56

I'm the opposite. I become unreasonably grumpy when I see 'outside of' or 'inside of' used in sentences where the 'of' is completely superfluous.
Perhaps I should go for a walk outside of my house. 😡

WhatterySquash · 20/06/2025 07:12

"Out the house” and “couple biscuits” don’t grate on me quite as much as I see them as Americanisms - which is annoying, but at least you can see where it’s come from. But “going toilet” / “going sainsburys” etc does my nut in. Everyone around me under about 30 seems to do this and I have visions of myself in the future as an old lady saying “going to” and everyone will fall about and think I sound like Queen Victoria. But I just can’t imagine ever saying “going toilet” it’s so stupid Angry

SoScarletItWas · 20/06/2025 07:14

GreySkyAtNight · 20/06/2025 06:55

Nooo too far.

Not really, it’s only a four-hour flight.

(Gets coat.)

Seymour5 · 20/06/2025 07:15

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 20/06/2025 06:56

I'm the opposite. I become unreasonably grumpy when I see 'outside of' or 'inside of' used in sentences where the 'of' is completely superfluous.
Perhaps I should go for a walk outside of my house. 😡

Different. Of course ‘outside’ doesn’t need ‘of’. I often go outside my house, to do so, I have to go out of my house.

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DappledThings · 20/06/2025 07:16

ItsUpToYou · 20/06/2025 06:54

I’m a teacher. The amount of times I’m asked “Can I go toilet?” during the day is insane. I always tell them to ask again using a full sentence (and manners!)

Maybe you're my daughter's teacher. She comes home and tells me R said "can I go toilet" again today and Mrs A told her again to say please can I go to the toilet.

DD remains quite astounded that anyone would say "can I go toilet". I'm proud of both her and Mrs A!

ItsUpToYou · 20/06/2025 07:31

DappledThings · 20/06/2025 07:16

Maybe you're my daughter's teacher. She comes home and tells me R said "can I go toilet" again today and Mrs A told her again to say please can I go to the toilet.

DD remains quite astounded that anyone would say "can I go toilet". I'm proud of both her and Mrs A!

The fact that your DD picks up on it warms my heart! But it’s definitely not me - she’d come home saying R, S, T, U and V all said “Can I go toilet?” again today if she were in my class!

tearingmyflippinghairout · 20/06/2025 07:38

This in interesting!
I don’t see “outside the house” or “outside the shop” as incorrect (I’m northern, not sure that makes a difference?)
I really dislike (and I’m looking at you DCs and BILs!) “can I go toilets?” Or “I’m going Tenerife”. That is just wrong!

OccasionalHope · 20/06/2025 07:40

‘Needs done’ is very grating,

CaptainMyCaptain · 20/06/2025 07:53

tearingmyflippinghairout · 20/06/2025 07:38

This in interesting!
I don’t see “outside the house” or “outside the shop” as incorrect (I’m northern, not sure that makes a difference?)
I really dislike (and I’m looking at you DCs and BILs!) “can I go toilets?” Or “I’m going Tenerife”. That is just wrong!

'Outside the house' is correct.
'Outside of the house' is wrong.
'Out of the house' is correct.
'Out the house' is wrong.

Bluevelvetsofa · 20/06/2025 08:50

OccasionalHope · 20/06/2025 07:40

‘Needs done’ is very grating,

So is ‘needs gone’

ExitPursuedByABare · 20/06/2025 08:55

I can’t read this thread without inwardly screaming.

We’re doomed.

Disturbia81 · 20/06/2025 08:56

Definitely not new

CalamityGanon · 20/06/2025 12:02

And pronouns. ‘Are you coming with?’ rather than ‘Are you coming with us/me’. Seems a new thing and I do find it really irritating. The sentence feels unfinished.

Seymour5 · 20/06/2025 12:42

Agreed!

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BlueTongueSkink · 20/06/2025 13:45

WhatterySquash · 20/06/2025 07:12

"Out the house” and “couple biscuits” don’t grate on me quite as much as I see them as Americanisms - which is annoying, but at least you can see where it’s come from. But “going toilet” / “going sainsburys” etc does my nut in. Everyone around me under about 30 seems to do this and I have visions of myself in the future as an old lady saying “going to” and everyone will fall about and think I sound like Queen Victoria. But I just can’t imagine ever saying “going toilet” it’s so stupid Angry

Totally agree with your post. Years ago an ex-boyfriend of mine told an anecdote which included the phrase 'go toilet' so many times and I was inwardly shouting "TO the toilet"!
It's not why we split up but it definitely contributed.