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There is no space before a punctuation mark!

70 replies

NaeRolls · 06/06/2025 23:31

Why do some people do this?

Example: My name is NaeRolls and I am in my forties .

It looks like a speck on the screen and I want to wipe it off!

And while I'm being petty, why do people sign off emails with 'Kind Regards'? It's not a heading. It should be 'Kind regards'.

And not 'Warm regards' either, which puts me in mind of sitting in some kind of yucky, warm, wet substance.

Lastly: 'Expecially'. I have a friend who is an educated professional who says this. I want to tell her so that she stops embarrassing herself in front of others, but I think she'll be mortified and I don't want to offend her 😅

OP posts:
upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 12:07

Pedant5corner · 16/06/2025 22:54

@upinaballoon , it doesn't need to contain a subject and a verb if those are implied.

'are you new to MN?' was meant light-heartedly, but had you replied 'No.', it would have been a whole sentence because in that context you would have meant 'No, I'm not new to Mumsnet.'

So

Training.
Cats.
Tadpoles.
Walking.

can all be sentences.

SerendipityJane · 17/06/2025 12:10

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 09:10

Why is it that the posters claiming to be teachers create posts that have errors in them? I appreciate that typos happen, but these are not typos, they are plurals with 's and should ofs.

Edited

Muphrys law

Muphry's law - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 12:11

I type something in an e-mail and send it to someone to put into a tiny publication. I was taught the two-space rule long ago when I had a few typing lessons. I have thought that my spaces had been interfered with, but maybe our modern machines are programmed to close that gap. I must check in my 'sent items'.

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 12:14

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 12:11

I type something in an e-mail and send it to someone to put into a tiny publication. I was taught the two-space rule long ago when I had a few typing lessons. I have thought that my spaces had been interfered with, but maybe our modern machines are programmed to close that gap. I must check in my 'sent items'.

In fact this machine has just closed the twos to ones as soon as I pressed 'Post'.

Whatmightitdowithnospacesatall?

LadyLucyWells · 17/06/2025 12:15

NaeRolls · 06/06/2025 23:31

Why do some people do this?

Example: My name is NaeRolls and I am in my forties .

It looks like a speck on the screen and I want to wipe it off!

And while I'm being petty, why do people sign off emails with 'Kind Regards'? It's not a heading. It should be 'Kind regards'.

And not 'Warm regards' either, which puts me in mind of sitting in some kind of yucky, warm, wet substance.

Lastly: 'Expecially'. I have a friend who is an educated professional who says this. I want to tell her so that she stops embarrassing herself in front of others, but I think she'll be mortified and I don't want to offend her 😅

But I actually think that your OP could be improved. I had to read it twice to understand it properly. I would have put speech marks around 'My name is NaeRolls and I am in my forties .'

Also, I think 'the full stop looks like a speck on the screen and I want to wipe it off!' would have made things clearer.

I do agree with you on everything, though!

SerendipityJane · 17/06/2025 12:17

"Back in the day" when printers were a little clunkier and printed in characters, Wordstar would amend spacing to create a justified right margin.

This meant it would add a space where it saw fit.

I suspect some here can imagine the nervous breakdowns that caused.

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 12:44

@SerendipityJane , I remember full text justification. There often were rivers of white space.

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 12:48

@upinaballoon , MN uses some form of markdown (a bit like HTML) and it treats multiple white spaces as a single white space.

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 12:54

@upinaballoon , not on their own.

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 13:01

@SerendipityJane , if only.

BellissimoGecko · 17/06/2025 13:05

fatgirlswims · 13/06/2025 20:18

Are there two spaces after a full stop or one? I do two but I think it’s old fashioned now

One. And there has been one for about 30 years! Leaving two spaces is a hangover from old manual typewriter days.

wandawaves · 17/06/2025 13:22

I haven't really seen people put a space before a punctuation mark OP,but it could be worse,two of my colleagues who I share a live document with,don't use any spaces before OR after punctuation marks,usually commas,and seem to use commas endlessly,rather than actually starting a new sentence every so often,it drives me crazy because I just can't ignore it and have to stop and add spaces everywhere!

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 16:17

I like lots of commas as long as they are properly showing a pause is needed.

However, (because I can't start a sentence with the word 'but' because it's a joining word) many times I think posters will write three sentences and write them as if they're one sentence, with commas in between.

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 20:37

I wouldn't start a paragraph with However.

Is English your first language, @upinaballoon ?

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 21:45

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 20:37

I wouldn't start a paragraph with However.

Is English your first language, @upinaballoon ?

Yis, mate.

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 21:51

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 21:45

Yis, mate.

Yes, and I was taught that I shouldn't start a sentence with 'but' or 'and'.

upinaballoon · 17/06/2025 21:52

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 20:37

I wouldn't start a paragraph with However.

Is English your first language, @upinaballoon ?

Why do you ask?

proximalhumerous · 30/06/2025 08:03

wandawaves · 17/06/2025 13:22

I haven't really seen people put a space before a punctuation mark OP,but it could be worse,two of my colleagues who I share a live document with,don't use any spaces before OR after punctuation marks,usually commas,and seem to use commas endlessly,rather than actually starting a new sentence every so often,it drives me crazy because I just can't ignore it and have to stop and add spaces everywhere!

That would make me murderous.

queenofthesuburbs · 30/06/2025 13:45

@upinaballoon I was taught that it was grammatically incorrect to start a sentence with “However”

However, I ignored it!!

proximalhumerous · 30/06/2025 17:46

queenofthesuburbs · 30/06/2025 13:45

@upinaballoon I was taught that it was grammatically incorrect to start a sentence with “However”

However, I ignored it!!

It clearly isn't incorrect in all cases, as there's nothing wrong with a sentence along the lines of, "However onerous the board members may deem this task, it is incumbent upon them to complete it to the best of their ability," or something along those lines.

However (!) in your example it's probably more "correct" (or at least more pedantic/punctilious) to rephrase it as, "I ignored it, however."

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