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Pedants' corner

There is no space before a punctuation mark!

70 replies

NaeRolls · 06/06/2025 23:31

Why do some people do this?

Example: My name is NaeRolls and I am in my forties .

It looks like a speck on the screen and I want to wipe it off!

And while I'm being petty, why do people sign off emails with 'Kind Regards'? It's not a heading. It should be 'Kind regards'.

And not 'Warm regards' either, which puts me in mind of sitting in some kind of yucky, warm, wet substance.

Lastly: 'Expecially'. I have a friend who is an educated professional who says this. I want to tell her so that she stops embarrassing herself in front of others, but I think she'll be mortified and I don't want to offend her 😅

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PuppyMonkey · 14/06/2025 18:46

I format and sub magazines and books etc at a publishing company and have to get rid of all the sodding extra spaces people use after a full stop in order to fit things on the page properly. Fortunately Find and Replace exists for this in Word and the like. But honestly people - stop it.

proximalhumerous · 14/06/2025 18:46

SixteenClovesOfGarlic · 14/06/2025 13:37

I often see comments here written , like this , it's really jarring , same for the ones....written....like this.......

Why?!

OMG, the sodding eclipses addicts. I cannot stand that annoying stream-of-consciousness style.

I know the usual example of why punctuation kills is "Let's eat Grandma" (as opposed to "Let's eat, Grandma") but actually I think it's just as likely to be a pedant in the throes of a murderous rage having just read yet another post or email which...is punctuated... like...this...

NaeRolls · 14/06/2025 23:46

fatgirlswims · 13/06/2025 20:18

Are there two spaces after a full stop or one? I do two but I think it’s old fashioned now

Yes, it used to be two spaces, I'm not sure why. It changed to one quite a while back, again, I'm not sure why. I think two spaces looks weird now.

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NaeRolls · 14/06/2025 23:51

user1497787065 · 13/06/2025 20:21

I still leave two spaces after a full stop as taught in my RSA typing exams in 1980.

Yes that was the rule! Over time it's changed to one space. I'm a copy editor and I sometimes edit text where the author has followed this convention. I use auto search and replace to change them all to one space 😉

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NaeRolls · 14/06/2025 23:55

mondaytosunday · 14/06/2025 13:37

If you’ve seen it in a post of mine it’s because I’ve edited or corrected predictive text and the period has moved and I can’t be bothered fixing it. The rest is just whatever, I figure they’ve just mistyped or changed something.

Ah, I'd forgotten that sometimes happens with predictive text. Maybe I shouldn't be so hasty to judge then! Thanks for pointing this out.

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NaeRolls · 14/06/2025 23:58

SixteenClovesOfGarlic · 14/06/2025 13:37

I often see comments here written , like this , it's really jarring , same for the ones....written....like this.......

Why?!

The ellipses make me think there are ... mysterious ... things ... being left ... unsaid .... But that's usually not the case. I don't know why people do this.

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NaeRolls · 15/06/2025 00:03

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 14/06/2025 13:46

As this is a safe space for appalling pedantry I have to point out there is a punctuation mark preceded by a space - albeit one that's getting rarer - that is nevertheless quite pleasing

Good point. In UK English I usually see the en-rule/en-dash with a space on either side. But those nutty Americans prefer an em-rule with no space! I can't do it on my phone so will use hyphens. The en-rule with spaces looks like this --

The em-rule looks like this ---

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NaeRolls · 15/06/2025 00:07

Needlesnah · 14/06/2025 13:56

The space between the end of a sentence and a full stop is most likely an error from autocorrect or similar.

Getting miffed about ‘Kind regards’ assumes everyone has learnt UK English. I was taught something else in my English speaking country. I have worked with many Europeans who sign off with the English translation of their country’s sign off. It’s a bit rich to assume everyone should know and follow UK rules exactly…

I'm South African, actually. But we do use mainly UK English, so I take your point.

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NaeRolls · 15/06/2025 00:10

LittleSF · 14/06/2025 14:01

The two spaces after a full stop rule is out of date. I learned to type on a typewriter and it was something to do with the size of capital letters after a full stop (I think) which isn’t an issue now so one space is correct. If I’m reviewing or editing a document with two spaces I do the “replace all” so it looks right 😊

There's something very satisfying about nuking all the extra spaces with find and replace all.

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NaeRolls · 15/06/2025 00:15

SharpLily · 14/06/2025 16:39

Agreed, OP.

Why am I also regularly seeing a comma between the subject and the verb? Has anyone else noticed people doing this? The snob in me thinks it's people who really don't know what they're doing but think using punctuation makes them look more intelligent.

I think this may be one of the reasons, yes. But to be fair, the comma is one of the more difficult punctuation marks to get right. I really should look up the actual rules for comma usage, if they exist. I just use them where I would normally pause in speech.

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Pedant5corner · 15/06/2025 15:43

NaeRolls · 14/06/2025 23:46

Yes, it used to be two spaces, I'm not sure why. It changed to one quite a while back, again, I'm not sure why. I think two spaces looks weird now.

@ChocolateGanache I use a single space after a full stop because I look for accidental double-spaces between words. If there were two spaces after each full stop,it would take much longer.

Editedto apologize for not clearing the quote.

My pet hate is One. Word. Sentences.

NaeRolls · 15/06/2025 20:43

Pedant5corner · 15/06/2025 15:43

@ChocolateGanache I use a single space after a full stop because I look for accidental double-spaces between words. If there were two spaces after each full stop,it would take much longer.

Editedto apologize for not clearing the quote.

My pet hate is One. Word. Sentences.

Edited

Those are so annoying.

I also hate one-line paragraphs.

Like this.

LinkedIn lunatics write their posts this way.

To create impact.

(I think.)

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LavenderBlue19 · 15/06/2025 20:45

ChocolateGanache · 14/06/2025 12:28

One of my colleagues says “well, to be pacific “ !!!!! How can she not know?!?!? 🙈🙈🙈

One of our very senior directors says this. She's an intelligent woman and it drives me mad 🤦

proximalhumerous · 15/06/2025 20:47

NaeRolls · 15/06/2025 20:43

Those are so annoying.

I also hate one-line paragraphs.

Like this.

LinkedIn lunatics write their posts this way.

To create impact.

(I think.)

They annoy me too.

They look like a shit haiku.

At least, I think so.

Pedant5corner · 15/06/2025 20:55

@NaeRolls . I agree about the one sentence paragraphs.

Literally makes me roll my eyes, unless it adds something to the sentence.

upinaballoon · 15/06/2025 21:53

You. Can't. Have. A. One. Word. Sentence.

Jeremy fell.
Jane laughed.
Spot barked.

Nicebrightday · 15/06/2025 22:04

Yes.
You can.

oviraptor21 · 15/06/2025 22:17

I have a colleague at work whose draft emails I have to edit and/or approve and send. If anyone has a techie tip for getting rid of all the spaces before punctuation marks that his emails are littered with, I would be eternally grateful 😵‍💫

Pedant5corner · 16/06/2025 10:39

@upinaballoon , are you new to MN?

'No.' is a complete sentence.

Pedant5corner · 16/06/2025 12:30

@oviraptor21 , Find and replace in a text editor?

upinaballoon · 16/06/2025 22:11

Pedant5corner · 16/06/2025 10:39

@upinaballoon , are you new to MN?

'No.' is a complete sentence.

No, I'm not new to Mumsnet.

How would you define a sentence? I thought that a sentence must have a subject and a verb, so two words can constitute a sentence.

Pedant5corner · 16/06/2025 22:54

@upinaballoon , it doesn't need to contain a subject and a verb if those are implied.

'are you new to MN?' was meant light-heartedly, but had you replied 'No.', it would have been a whole sentence because in that context you would have meant 'No, I'm not new to Mumsnet.'

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · 16/06/2025 23:14

I am trying to wean myself off two spaces after a full stop but I tend to forget so it’s very inconsistent.

My own niggle is leaving spaces either slide of a forward slash. For example writing they / them instead of they/them. It’s fairly common where I work and always irritating.

Pedant5corner · 16/06/2025 23:16

@WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady , I agree with you.

Pedant5corner · 17/06/2025 09:10

Why is it that the posters claiming to be teachers create posts that have errors in them? I appreciate that typos happen, but these are not typos, they are plurals with 's and should ofs.