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Pedants' corner

Using the word loose as the word lose. Why?

145 replies

kwetu · 07/03/2025 00:38

It seems so many on MN use loose in place of lose, I see it on here regularly. Could possibly understand if they had similar meanings..but they are not interchangeable in any way to my knowledge.

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genesis92 · 07/03/2025 07:21

Just as awful as people using "brought" for "bought"

Sskka · 07/03/2025 07:29

My (hugely overthought, but I’ve typed it now) theory is that it’s mimetic, and that it depends on how we learn to read & write – and that it’s specifically because we don’t in this country tend to hammer home spelling and grammar as a series of rigid rules, beyond the basics.

Most people will concentrate enough on writing at school to pick up those basic rules, which is why most people know to start sentences with a capital letter, or (taking it up a level) that ‘i’ generally comes before ‘e’.

But beyond that we don’t really learn ‘rules’ as such – we just kind of pick things up by osmosis, and (in part because English spelling is irregular) learning specific spellings or specific distinctions becomes a matter of trial-and-error. But the amount of trial-and-error you get depends on how much reading & writing you do, and that actually varies widely.

That’s where the loose/lose problem comes in. If your education has included a certain amount of reading & writing, that trial-and-error will at some point have encountered the distinction between ’loose’ and ’lose’, and you’ll never make that mistake again.

But evidently huge numbers of people don’t quite get enough to encounter that distinction. Instead, what happens is that their writing is a mix of correct application of the actual rules, supplemented by guesswork or what-looks-right for things where they don’t know the actual rules.

That’s generally enough for daily life – if you’re essentially copying and adapting writing that’s already out there, you’ll get most things right even if you’ve never encountered them as rules.

However, and particularly now that social media is a major source of reading, it also means that the pool of what-looks-right includes a lot of other people’s guesswork. Hence there’s scope for errors like loose/lose – if they’re both common, and you’ve never learnt the difference, and there’s no obvious reason to prefer one over the other, then it’s basically 50/50 which one you pick.

And what’s more, now you’ve added one more example to the pool of what-looks-right. Soon enough we’ve reached a position where, absent a mass learning event, there’s no way to get rid of it – eventually the mistake will be so routine that ‘loose’ will just be accepted as an alternative spelling of ‘lose’, and you’ll feel slightly daft for feeling compelled to point out that they’re actually entirely different words.

(PS a good example of the process I’m talking about is there/their/they’re or you’re/your – most people probably know exactly how to use these properly, but a sizeable minority are only ever just guessing. We get by – you see the mistakes so often that by now you probably don’t even bother pointing them out.)

sanityisamyth · 07/03/2025 07:30

Lose -> lost

It wouldn't be loost so I don't understand why people can't get it right.

sSssssssssssssOOO · 07/03/2025 07:31

Loose, moose, goose

Nose, hose, lose, pose,

let's face, it lose and loose are spelt wrong!

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 07/03/2025 07:33

Perhaps it is a faulty keybooard?
I knoow I have oone like that, and it can be a bloooody nuisance, I can tell yoou.

See, it's doone it again.

verycloakanddaggers · 07/03/2025 07:34

GeometricGillian · 07/03/2025 07:19

Exactly.

It really doesn’t matter does it, this isn’t real life. It’s not an academic paper, it’s a corner on the internet.

I think posters who comment on spag have an incredible lack of awareness.

Have you considered that your ridiculous comments might stop one genuine poster (who happens to have a poor grasp of spag) from asking for help?

I guess people who are afflicted by pedantry to the extent they can't refrain from passing inappropriate comments must have their own issues. It's difficult to know how to respond on threads. My view is pedantry is a breach of talk guidelines, as it's insulting and an unhelpful contribution.

Sskka · 07/03/2025 07:35

PPS ‘boarder’ for ‘border’ is a mistake I see everywhere all of sudden. That’s one I can’t explain. I don’t even know what accent you would need to have for ‘boarder’ to seem right.

verycloakanddaggers · 07/03/2025 07:42

‘boarder’ for ‘border’ is a mistake I see everywhere all of sudden. That’s one I can’t explain. I don’t even know what accent you would need to have for ‘boarder’ to seem right.

Boarder and border are phonetically the same?

How to pronouce 'border': /ˈbɔː.dər/
How to prounouce 'boarder': /ˈbɔː.dər/

From dictionary.cambridge.org

H34th · 07/03/2025 07:43

It's a logical misspelling if you follow the phonetic rules of similar sounding words.

The problem is when primary teachers are not on the ball. My child's teacher made a point of correcting his 'I can't bear' to 'I can't BARE' yesterday.

Longingforspringtime · 07/03/2025 07:44

So many people are on social media making excuses for poor spelling and grammar. My DGS has left school recently. He went to an establishment for children with multiple disabilities, including intellectual problems. He has difficulty speaking, but he is a pedant's delight. Every capital letter, semi-colon etc. are exactly right. He'd never make a spelling mistake either. I sometimes think that if he can do it with the minimal education he received, surely others can.

KitsyWitsy · 07/03/2025 07:47

Education just isn’t valued and people always have excuses if called out on mistakes like this.

LyricalGangsta · 07/03/2025 07:51

@Ritasueandbobtoo9 - I decided against that thread at "breech".

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 07/03/2025 07:57

@kwetu totally agree with you!! just think, I keep slackening my purse! 😂😂😂

InWalksBarberalla · 07/03/2025 07:58

Sskka · 07/03/2025 07:35

PPS ‘boarder’ for ‘border’ is a mistake I see everywhere all of sudden. That’s one I can’t explain. I don’t even know what accent you would need to have for ‘boarder’ to seem right.

I can't work out what accent you'd need to have to make them sound different?

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/03/2025 07:59

Sskka · 07/03/2025 07:35

PPS ‘boarder’ for ‘border’ is a mistake I see everywhere all of sudden. That’s one I can’t explain. I don’t even know what accent you would need to have for ‘boarder’ to seem right.

To be fair, although I spell both correctly and appropriately, they sound pretty much the same to me.

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/03/2025 08:00

KitsyWitsy · 07/03/2025 07:47

Education just isn’t valued and people always have excuses if called out on mistakes like this.

This. I can't see the point in perpetuating mistakes. People just don't want to learn.

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/03/2025 08:01

H34th · 07/03/2025 07:43

It's a logical misspelling if you follow the phonetic rules of similar sounding words.

The problem is when primary teachers are not on the ball. My child's teacher made a point of correcting his 'I can't bear' to 'I can't BARE' yesterday.

As a retired teacher I sadly have to agree that many younger teachers are unable to spell these days.

VisitationRights · 07/03/2025 08:03

verycloakanddaggers · 07/03/2025 07:34

I guess people who are afflicted by pedantry to the extent they can't refrain from passing inappropriate comments must have their own issues. It's difficult to know how to respond on threads. My view is pedantry is a breach of talk guidelines, as it's insulting and an unhelpful contribution.

This is our corner though, it is exactly where we should be talking about the use of loose when the OP means lose and then every ignorant subsequent person perpetuates the use of loose. If you don’t like pedantry then this corner of Mumsnet is not for you.

BitOutOfPractice · 07/03/2025 08:04

Of all the baffling mistakes that people make, this is the one that puzzles you? Really?

In English the letters oo usually make a long o sound. Moon. Spoon. Buffoon. In the case of loose it’s actually a shorter oo sound than the single o in lose. So I think it’s an easy and entirely logical mistake to make.

VisitationRights · 07/03/2025 08:06

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/03/2025 08:01

As a retired teacher I sadly have to agree that many younger teachers are unable to spell these days.

Or even the correct meaning of words, e.g. venomous vs poisonous. The teachers and TAs as my sons’ primary school constantly get things like that wrong.

Seymour5 · 07/03/2025 08:07

verycloakanddaggers · 07/03/2025 07:42

‘boarder’ for ‘border’ is a mistake I see everywhere all of sudden. That’s one I can’t explain. I don’t even know what accent you would need to have for ‘boarder’ to seem right.

Boarder and border are phonetically the same?

How to pronouce 'border': /ˈbɔː.dər/
How to prounouce 'boarder': /ˈbɔː.dər/

From dictionary.cambridge.org

Not if you’re Scottish. Border sounds like order. Boarder, like hoarder.

KitsyWitsy · 07/03/2025 08:10

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/03/2025 08:00

This. I can't see the point in perpetuating mistakes. People just don't want to learn.

I know. My English is pretty good I’d say, but I’m always happy to be corrected so I don’t make the mistake again! Punctuation is my downfall a lot of the time but I try and make an effort to be correct.

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/03/2025 08:10

Seymour5 · 07/03/2025 08:07

Not if you’re Scottish. Border sounds like order. Boarder, like hoarder.

Again, order and hoarder rhyme in my accent which is an amalgam of many different English regions.

VisitationRights · 07/03/2025 08:10

Seymour5 · 07/03/2025 08:07

Not if you’re Scottish. Border sounds like order. Boarder, like hoarder.

Interesting, boarder and hoarder and order and border all rhyme in my accent! My mum is Glaswegian and I am trying to hear how she would say border and hoarder in her accent and, in my head, it sound the same too. I will need to call her later!

PandaTime · 07/03/2025 08:12

It doesn't bother me as much as "draws" for drawers does.

"I was putting DH's clothes away in the draws and found naked photos of my sister."

"It's 'DRAWERS'".

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