Pedants' corner
StopFeckingFaffing · 04/02/2023 14:04
I'm guilty of this sometimes but it has become so common place that it's easy to slip into
Please could a grammar expert explain when you should and shouldn't use myself? I could definitely do with a reminder and always happy to learn and improve my English 😀
LolaSmiles · 04/02/2023 14:07
You're not alone. I find it quite frustrating.
I've come to the conclusion that some people think that using reflexive pronouns makes them sound 'better'.
It reminds me of Hyacinth Bucket using 'I' when grammatically it should be 'me' in an attempt to sound posh.
SenecaFallsRedux · 04/02/2023 14:21
StopFeckingFaffing · 04/02/2023 14:04
I'm guilty of this sometimes but it has become so common place that it's easy to slip into
Please could a grammar expert explain when you should and shouldn't use myself? I could definitely do with a reminder and always happy to learn and improve my English 😀
I wouldn't call myself an expert, but "myself," "yourself," etc. is reflexive so it refers back to (or reflects) something, as in "I will do it myself." "Myself" refers back to "I" and is used in this case for emphasis. It there is nothing for the reflexive pronoun to refer to, then it is likely incorrect. "Give it to myself" has nothing for the "myself" to refer to.
Florissant · 04/02/2023 16:34
StopFeckingFaffing · 04/02/2023 14:04
I'm guilty of this sometimes but it has become so common place that it's easy to slip into
Please could a grammar expert explain when you should and shouldn't use myself? I could definitely do with a reminder and always happy to learn and improve my English 😀
I know your query has been answered but I'd like to expand the answer a bit further. As it's a reflexive pronoun, it's used when doing, talking, dressing etc anything to yourself.
For example, I talked to myself during the film.
DelphiniumBlue · 04/02/2023 16:41
Infuriating.
The phrase that is currently annoying me is "talk to" rather than "talk about".
For example, " We had a discussion yesterday about potential flood damage. We'll talk to that at tomorrow's meeting."
No, no and no!
It comes from the same place as "myself" - trying to sound important and more savvy than the person they are speaking to.
SenecaFallsRedux · 04/02/2023 16:51
Florissant · 04/02/2023 16:42
And"utlitise" rather than "use". I have a colleague who said that all of the time. And they use semi-colons when they should have used colons.
"Utilize" is very high on my list of pet peeves.
(I'm American, if anyone wants to get fussy about the spelling.) 😀
LauraNicolaides · 04/02/2023 17:04
"Self" pronouns (reflexive pronouns) are used when the person doing the thing is also the person to whom it's being done.
So I can cook for myself. You can cook for yourself. But I don't cook for yourself. I cook for you.
I can ask myself why the country is in a mess. You can ask yourself the same question. But if I'm asking you then I ask you (not yourself).
Etc!
Florissant · 04/02/2023 17:13
LauraNicolaides · 04/02/2023 17:04
"Self" pronouns (reflexive pronouns) are used when the person doing the thing is also the person to whom it's being done.
So I can cook for myself. You can cook for yourself. But I don't cook for yourself. I cook for you.
I can ask myself why the country is in a mess. You can ask yourself the same question. But if I'm asking you then I ask you (not yourself).
Etc!
Yes. Reflexive pronouns refer to actions being done, to, for, with etc one's self.
TheShellBeach · 04/02/2023 17:13
LauraNicolaides · 04/02/2023 17:04
"Self" pronouns (reflexive pronouns) are used when the person doing the thing is also the person to whom it's being done.
So I can cook for myself. You can cook for yourself. But I don't cook for yourself. I cook for you.
I can ask myself why the country is in a mess. You can ask yourself the same question. But if I'm asking you then I ask you (not yourself).
Etc!
Surely you mean "ect"?
upinaballoon · 04/02/2023 21:37
StopFeckingFaffing · 04/02/2023 14:04
I'm guilty of this sometimes but it has become so common place that it's easy to slip into
Please could a grammar expert explain when you should and shouldn't use myself? I could definitely do with a reminder and always happy to learn and improve my English 😀
I'm no expert either but 'myself' often gets used incorrectly in a sentence with two people as the subjects, so might I expand a little more.
John went to London. I went to London. John and I went to London.
Jenny welcomed me. Jenny welcomed John. Jenny welcomed me and John.
I bought fudge for Jane. I bought fudge for myself. I bought fudge for Jane and myself.
LauraNicolaides · 04/02/2023 23:15
My theory - addressing someone more important as "you" has been considered rude and overly familiar for a long time. That's why the correct pronoun for the king is not "you" but "your majesty". Duchesses are addressed as "your grace". High court judges are addressed as "your honour".
Slightly obsequious people in call centres have extended this principle to all their customers. They think it would be rude to say "I'll email you the details". If you were the Queen Consort they'd say "I'll email your majesty". I'm guessing you're not, so they've settled on "I'll email yourself"!
(Totally unrelated - they seem to think "putting" things is a bit rude, so they pop instead - I'll just pop yourself on hold, I'll pop it in the post to yourself 
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