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Gatehouse77 · 16/12/2022 07:50

Do people misspell this because they mishear it (like would 'of' which I can understand, albeit wrong), they've copied someone or what?

The word is etcetera - the second sound is a t, why do they put c??

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Swissnotswiss · 16/12/2022 07:54

I think it's just because it's so prevalent and, being an abbreviation, it doesn't look like it sounds anyway.

MassiveSalad22 · 16/12/2022 07:54

Because they don’t know it means et cetera / haven’t seen it written in full before. Don’t know French for ‘and’ is ‘et’ I guess.

SheWoreYellow · 16/12/2022 07:57

Maybe they’re doing Et Ce Tera.

(And @MassiveSalad22 yes ‘et’ is French but ‘et cetera’ is latin.)

Pictograph · 16/12/2022 08:00

It's because (if you don't know what it stands for) etc doesn't seem like a possible English word.

MassiveSalad22 · 16/12/2022 08:00

Oh that’s cool! I always wanted to learn Latin. My parents always mock me for not knowing Latin but how am I meant to know Latin if they didn’t teach me (it wasn’t taught at my schools!) 😂🙄

Pobody’s nerfect hey! Everyone doesn’t know some piece of common knowledge I’m sure.

JenniferBarkley · 16/12/2022 11:17

SheWoreYellow · 16/12/2022 07:57

Maybe they’re doing Et Ce Tera.

(And @MassiveSalad22 yes ‘et’ is French but ‘et cetera’ is latin.)

Yes as a child I thought this is what the abbreviation was. It's not such a wild assumption.

Justme10 · 16/12/2022 11:20

Ect looks right to me, I don't know why. I have to make an effort to spell it as etc.

sanityisamyth · 16/12/2022 11:24

One of my biggest annoyances. I struggle to read anything further if "ect" has been written. How hard is it to write a 3 letter word?! I've also just written ect and the app has highlighted it as a spelling mistake and STILL people don't correct it?!

FaintlyMacabre · 16/12/2022 11:25

I’ve often seen it written as &c in older books. That confused me until I realised it was the same as etc

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 16/12/2022 11:28

How do the "ect" people say it? I'd always assumed it was just a fat fingers typo - like I type "form" instead of "from", and usually get the letters in my own name in the wrong order...

What do they think it means if they don't know it's an abbreviation for "et cetera"?

Melroses · 16/12/2022 11:29

eckseh tra ?

Overoptimistix · 16/12/2022 11:31

I've heard people say eck cetera (also a toe-curler for me!). I think they genuinely don't know that the t is there so wouldn't write it either.

Melroses · 16/12/2022 11:32

sanityisamyth · 16/12/2022 11:24

One of my biggest annoyances. I struggle to read anything further if "ect" has been written. How hard is it to write a 3 letter word?! I've also just written ect and the app has highlighted it as a spelling mistake and STILL people don't correct it?!

Sometimes spellcheckers want you to type 'etc.' with a full stop and I think that may muddy the waters if anyone is unsure.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/12/2022 11:34

Melroses · 16/12/2022 11:29

eckseh tra ?

Yes, in many accents that's how it's said. Ex et ra.

WashAsDelicates · 16/12/2022 11:35

People rarely say "et cetera" (unless they're performing in The King and I). What usually comes out of people's mouths is "eksetra". They will have seen 'etc', but never really thought about the spelling. You can't really blend 'etc' into a pronounceable word, but you can blend 'ect'. So if you say "eksetra" and you know that the word is written as a group of those three letters, then 'ect' makes sense.

I doubt most people have any idea of the etymology of et cetera/etc.

PedantScorner · 16/12/2022 11:39

It's because they say exetra. The same people say asterix for asterisk.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/12/2022 11:42

PedantScorner · 16/12/2022 11:39

It's because they say exetra. The same people say asterix for asterisk.

Asterisk: the danger of poking yourself in the eye with a Michaelmas daisy.

Bubl · 16/12/2022 11:42

sanityisamyth · 16/12/2022 11:24

One of my biggest annoyances. I struggle to read anything further if "ect" has been written. How hard is it to write a 3 letter word?! I've also just written ect and the app has highlighted it as a spelling mistake and STILL people don't correct it?!

I should get my ex-colleague to answer your question. She used to regularly write ‘no’ as ‘know’.

JenniferBarkley · 16/12/2022 11:44

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 16/12/2022 11:28

How do the "ect" people say it? I'd always assumed it was just a fat fingers typo - like I type "form" instead of "from", and usually get the letters in my own name in the wrong order...

What do they think it means if they don't know it's an abbreviation for "et cetera"?

As above, they think the abbreviation is et cetera rather than et cetera.

E, c and t do actually appear in the phrase in that order, so I don't think this is such an egregious mistake.

senua · 16/12/2022 11:44

Sometimes spellcheckers want you to type 'etc.' with a full stop and I think that may muddy the waters if anyone is unsure.
The phrase is et cetera, commonly written as etc. because the cetera has been abbreviated. Hence the full stop - to show abbreviation - just like in Co. or e.g.
No muddy waters involved.

KnickerlessParsons · 16/12/2022 11:44

MassiveSalad22 · 16/12/2022 08:00

Oh that’s cool! I always wanted to learn Latin. My parents always mock me for not knowing Latin but how am I meant to know Latin if they didn’t teach me (it wasn’t taught at my schools!) 😂🙄

Pobody’s nerfect hey! Everyone doesn’t know some piece of common knowledge I’m sure.

I've been learning Latin on DuoLingo. It's quite good.

cantforthelifeofme · 16/12/2022 11:48

Exsetra

PedantScorner · 16/12/2022 11:50

@JenniferBarkley , as my pp, they say Exetra. They probably think Ect is short for ec cetra

pattihews · 16/12/2022 11:50

Gatehouse77 · 16/12/2022 07:50

Do people misspell this because they mishear it (like would 'of' which I can understand, albeit wrong), they've copied someone or what?

The word is etcetera - the second sound is a t, why do they put c??

I'm perfectly aware that etc is short for et cetera but among certain of my friends and one online messageboard in particular people use 'ect' ironically. Partly because using the abbreviation etc in normal colloquial English is a bit naff (better to use 'and so on') and partly because it's a cliquey group identifier. We rather enjoy it when people join the messageboard and explain to us that it should be etc and not ect.

MassiveSalad22 · 16/12/2022 12:23

KnickerlessParsons · 16/12/2022 11:44

I've been learning Latin on DuoLingo. It's quite good.

Yeah, not a priority for me I’m afraid! Probably same for the ect folks.

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