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Oh older daughters fell out with him over my pregnancy

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anno12 · 14/08/2020 14:51

So i'm 28 and oh is 38, he had two daughters when he was very young who are 20 and 18.

He split with their mum 10 years ago and oldest daughter doesn't speak to her mum so oh does everything for her, pays rent, phone bills the lot.

Takes both on amazing holidays and generally gives them way more than any dad i know

I have a 4 year old with my ex husband however marriage broke down due to extreme domestic violence and his dad is not allowed near us so my little boy calls oh dad and they have the best bond

When we first got together i worried how his daughters would re act to my age and my little boy however we met and got on great and both said my little boy was lucky to have their dad as his dad which was lovely

I got on great with both girls, infact older daughter would speak to me about things she didn't want to talk to dad about and ive spoiled both of them the way i spoil my little boy and always made sure we include them

However at new year when oh left the room older daughter went on a rant and told me i better not dare have kids with her dad. It was so aggresive and when she left i ended up bursting into tears.

At 28 more kids where very much part of our plan so when oh brought up trying for a baby i asked him to speak to them and told him i was worried it would cause problems
He said she must of been joking and on speaking to them she said she was and didn't mind

However she came to stay with us for lockdown and asking me 1 day if i thought i was a bit old for more kids ( i mean no 28 isn't old)
I told oh there is issue and he spoke to her again
Then came the younger 1 claiming he doesnt pay her mum maintenance , this is a lie we have joint account she gets £430 a month so it just seemed issues where cropping up and maybe where had decided not so happy with our relationship

He reassured me all defo ok and im now a few months pregnant and he told girls start of the week, first people we told and his older daughter erupted.

Said they should of been taking out for dinner to be told ( i have HG plus im having to be careful as have severe asthma aswell as being pregnant so not going for dinners atm)
She then told him good luck with his new family and was horrible about me.
I ended up saying i thought this was unfair as she is part of the family. Ive given her so much i help her all the time and so does her dad. She told me to F off and blocked me
She then blocked him and so did younger daughter

Ive seen others on here saying older children have right to be angry but given we told them we planned on ttc and they said happy for us too i dont get it

I would never of acted like that if it was my dad but my dad would never have being paying my bills and spoiling me how they are at 20 so maybe i'm strange

Ive told him to maybe go see them and let them know he is always there but he feels he has done nothing wrong and no need for her to have acted like that

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RoseTintedAtuin · 17/08/2020 20:55

Seems people have gone off topic...
The girl has had the equivalent of a two year olds tantrum at finding out they are getting a brother or sister and all of the attention is no longer going to be all on them! PP is right they don’t have a say just as two year olds don’t have a say in their family changing with a second child. She is grown and so knows how to cause pain and hurt when she lashes out but it should be treated the same way as a toddlers tantrum... it should be ignored and positive behaviour reinforced. When she behaves like the adult she is, she can be spoke. To as an adult. Adults have consequences, she needs to apologise to her father and you for her behaviour. She needs to be forgiven once she does and you will need to let it go at that point. I’m with your husband though, there should be no grovelling for that kind of behaviour.
I hope it all works out for you and congratulations on your new addition Smile I’m sure it will bring you and your partner even closer

Bollss · 17/08/2020 20:56

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

anno12 unless your parents' joint income was under 25k gross per year they should have supported you.

This is for when you were at university:

blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/09/how-much-are-parents-supposed-to-give-their-children-when-they-go-to-university/#three

This is 2016 or later:

blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/09/how-much-are-parents-supposed-to-give-their-children-when-they-go-to-university/#one

Obviously the more parents earn the less their children can get as loans, so parents who earn over 25k and refuse to support their children who go straight or almost straight from school to university are not meeting their basic obligations.

Yeah that's what's supposed to happen. Totally unrealistic to think that it actually does.
Bollss · 17/08/2020 20:57

And after 18 nobody has to meet any basic obligations ffs.

netflixismysidehustle · 17/08/2020 21:01

Your sd are not spoilt if Dad is supporting them at University. Parents are supposed to do that (income permitting)

I think that the lines between parent and friend were blurred. Your sd shouldn't have a say in your conception plans. It was crazy for you to "ask their permission" and crazy for your partner not to listen to your warning. Your partner is right that he's not done anything wrong. The sd have a right to be shocked but they are adults so the effect on them is not going to be the same as if they were say under 10 and living at home. I agree with your partner - leave her to stew

AnaadiNitya · 17/08/2020 21:07

Ah welcome to the world of bratty adult kids. My eldest dd has just turned 25 and grew out of it about two years ago.

It comes from years of over compensating because your guilty that you split up with the other parent. I did it to dd1, it’s actually her dads fault.

This is not on you. Let him deal with it. Don’t let it ruin your happiness at the new baby. This will get fixed. She will come back when she has burned her entitlement off and needs something. It all feels so final and dramatic but it will calm down so be very careful not to burn any bridges permanently.

However this doesn’t mean you should act like a soft arse and let her speak to you like shit. Your an adult woman - so is she, doesn’t matter she is your OH daughter. Respect works both ways.

Congratulations on your new baby!

Louise91417 · 17/08/2020 21:08

They sound like two spoilt brats..let them get on with their childish sulk...by sounds of things they'l change their tune when rent etc is due...congratulations on your pregnancyFlowers

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 17/08/2020 21:08

TrustTheGeneGenie parents can't be forced to meet their basic obligations to student children under 21, but they're pretty much lowlife scum if they don't. Student loans are calculated based on parental household income, so only parents with a household income under 25k are morally exempt - once parents have a joint household income over 25k their children can't get the full loan, and obviously it's less and less the more the parents earn. Not making up that difference absolutely is failing to meet the very basic level of moral obligation as parents.

AnaadiNitya · 17/08/2020 21:09

Obviously the more parents earn the less their children can get as loans, so parents who earn over 25k and refuse to support their children who go straight or almost straight from school to university are not meeting their basic obligations

Or they can just get a job. Like millions of other uni ‘kids’ do..

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 17/08/2020 21:14

AnaadiNitya not on courses like medicine and nursing, teaching and midwifery. In fact a lot of courses make it difficult.

Most university students need to work as well as receive the basic contribution to make up for the amount of loan lost out on due to parents' earnings.

Bollss · 17/08/2020 21:14

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

TrustTheGeneGenie parents can't be forced to meet their basic obligations to student children under 21, but they're pretty much lowlife scum if they don't. Student loans are calculated based on parental household income, so only parents with a household income under 25k are morally exempt - once parents have a joint household income over 25k their children can't get the full loan, and obviously it's less and less the more the parents earn. Not making up that difference absolutely is failing to meet the very basic level of moral obligation as parents.
Or you know they have their own bills to pay?

A lot of people cannot afford to pay one or two maybe three children through university simultaneously you know. Doesn't make them lowlife scum at all.

It's not a moral obligation it's a bloody stupid government idea and it should be outlawed.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 17/08/2020 21:20

TrustTheGeneGenie it may be a bloody stupid idea but it's not the idea of any one government - parents have been explicitly expected to contribute since 1989.

Bollss · 17/08/2020 21:22

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

TrustTheGeneGenie it may be a bloody stupid idea but it's not the idea of any one government - parents have been explicitly expected to contribute since 1989.
They can be expected to grow wings and fly but it doesn't mean it's possible or that it will happen.
backseatcookers · 17/08/2020 21:27

A parent who can't afford to pay towards an adult child at university is "lowlife scum"? Seriously? Christ, here was me thinking it's pretty obvious that some parents can afford to do so and some can't. Due to different individual circumstances and financial situations. Not due to being "lowlife scum" or not.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 17/08/2020 21:28

TrustTheGeneGenie true many parents don't meet basic obligations, but it doesn't mean it's ok not to. Parents are expected to feed their children before buying cigarettes. The fact some don't doesn't make that okay. Parents should make up any shortfall in their young university student's loan amount caused by their household income. If the parents' income is under 30k the amount they "cost" their child in lost loan is a few hundred pounds per year, if their income is 60k their university student offspring has 4k less loan entitlement. Anyone refusing to make that up is failing to meet basic obligations as a parent.

Bollss · 17/08/2020 21:32

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

TrustTheGeneGenie true many parents don't meet basic obligations, but it doesn't mean it's ok not to. Parents are expected to feed their children before buying cigarettes. The fact some don't doesn't make that okay. Parents should make up any shortfall in their young university student's loan amount caused by their household income. If the parents' income is under 30k the amount they "cost" their child in lost loan is a few hundred pounds per year, if their income is 60k their university student offspring has 4k less loan entitlement. Anyone refusing to make that up is failing to meet basic obligations as a parent.
It's not a case of it being "ok not to" it's a case of it being bloody impossible for some people. A joint income of 25k is fuck all if you've your own rent to pay etc. Where are people supposed to find this money?

Sorry but at 18 you're an adult. If you choose to go to uni you deal with the finance. If your parents can help you, great. If they can't, they can't. People can't just pull money out their arse because that's what the government thinks should happen.

AnaadiNitya · 17/08/2020 21:32

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

TrustTheGeneGenie true many parents don't meet basic obligations, but it doesn't mean it's ok not to. Parents are expected to feed their children before buying cigarettes. The fact some don't doesn't make that okay. Parents should make up any shortfall in their young university student's loan amount caused by their household income. If the parents' income is under 30k the amount they "cost" their child in lost loan is a few hundred pounds per year, if their income is 60k their university student offspring has 4k less loan entitlement. Anyone refusing to make that up is failing to meet basic obligations as a parent.
Ok. Can OP have her thread back yet?
LunchBoxPolice · 17/08/2020 21:34

How long have you been together ?

jessstan2 · 17/08/2020 22:00

I think it's possible that all will be different when you have your baby and they'll come round then.

Good luck and congratulations.

anno12 · 18/08/2020 12:12

@jesstan2 thank you

And fingers crossed just hope they continue some kind of relationship with their dad

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anno12 · 18/08/2020 12:13

@lunchboxpolice 3 and half years

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anno12 · 18/08/2020 12:16

@rosetintedautin thank you very much

Her dad is just hoping for a sorry and it would be forgiven and forgotten

Hopefully she will realise there wasn't a need for such a extreme reaction

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PasstheBucket89 · 18/08/2020 12:20

I think sadly the fact, your not much older than the kids will always be an issue here.

anno12 · 18/08/2020 12:21

Thanks to anyone who has replied with a congratulations

I really don't like conflict and this has stressed me out to no end but i know i can't control her reaction so doing as my Oh wishes and leaving it be

Hoping they do end up making up

Do think they messages she sent are not acceptable but will let it slide if she does come round and not mention it

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AmandaHoldensLips · 18/08/2020 12:21

I think it's more common than people realise that kids get upset when a parent goes on to create a second family. No matter the age of the "child" it can feel like they have been sidelined as part of the "failed" first family unit.

anno12 · 18/08/2020 12:29

@untilyournexthairbrainedscheme on the income info you shared, my dad earns way above 25k, infact i was entitled to basically nothing loan wise due to my parents income but they would not see it as their job to pay for a grown child just how they are

It was a source of argument but in the long run i'm very good with money and was able to a buy a house a year after graduating so i guess it served it's purpose and they are very generous when it comes to my little boy etc

I agree with supporting a child through education so no issue with helping daughter and he planned to keep helping her beyond uni to let her save etc just feel giving he is very supportive and not just with money he is very involved much more so than my dad who i consider a good dad, the things she said to him in this siutation where horrendous

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