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mogwai · 28/07/2005 09:33

A question about letting your baby cry....sorry, long post

my dd is just coming up to 4 weeks old. We've been loosely using the "Baby Whisperer" techniques, ie Eat, Activity, Sleep. She's a good feeder, takes 4oz every three hours (formula)

It works well all day, though when we go on a trip out, she tends to sleep throughout, so sometimes gets more sleep during the day than she probably needs.

She has no problem being in her moses basket during the night. Strangely, so won't nap in it during the day. She doesn't seem to want the activity after night feeds. We dream feed her about 11pm and we go to her as soon as she stirs during the night (about 3am). She tends to feed very well and go straight back to sleep. We are up for about 30 mins on average.

We have a bit of a problem getting her down in the evening however. Our routine is generally food, activity, bath every other night, cuddle, bedtime. We put her down sometime around 7pm. She simply cries and cries when we put her down for this particular sleep. We know she's fed, clean, cuddled, not too warm or hot. She doesn't want the dummy, doesn't want more cuddles, will take more bottle (which we give as a last resort - she's putting on good amounts of weight) but immediately falls asleep on it. We've tried a musical mobile, we've tried a bit of lavender oil on a comforter at the foot of her basket.We've tried winding her more, but wind doesn't seem to be the problem (has wind at other times - obvious tummy discomfort - we are using infacol and colief). She looks knackered but can't be placated. I really don't think it's colic. DH is a doctor, he agrees.

We have concluded that she wants to go to sleep but doesn't know how to. We don't want to get into rocking her to sleep (and anyway, I tried it, it doesn't stop her on-off crying). We have started coming downstairs and sitting down, with the monitor on. The first night she cried for 15 mins on and off, nothing frantic, then she slept.

Last night, however, she cried for 30 mins. The crying escalated, unlike the previous night. She kicked off all her covers, I replaced them. My dh thinks we are doing the right thing. After all, if you try everything and nothing works, what else can you do? However, as her mum, I find the crying hard to ignore. I don't want to get her into bad habits, I don't want her to rely on us to get her to sleep every night (doesn't need it at other times). I'm concerned I won't have the will power not to pick her up when dh is working nights, he'll be gone when she goes to bed.

Would you let her cry and hope she learns how to get to sleep? 4 weeks seems very early, I know they don't really learn at this stage, so I'm not suggesting controlled crying, just at a loss what else to do.

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Twiglett · 02/08/2005 13:13

the "amazing skill of falling asleep anywhere"

that's called exhaustion

RachD · 02/08/2005 13:41

Dear Mogwai
I think you are doing VERY, VERY well.
I can't believe you even have the energy to type, on a discussion thread - I didn't at your stage.

And it's so difficult isn't it.
I am a very definite person. When I came home with my son, he had dry feet. One hv said olive oil, one said leave it alone.
And I sat there, having discussed it with dh, thinking oil, no oil, yes, no, yes, no .
Thinking, why can't someone just say to me ....categorically do A !!!!Not B, but A !

But unfortunatly no one can do that. Because what you decide is so personal.

Many people here saying cuddle, she wants you.
Some saying routine early is good. Some saying routine not necessary yet.

And my ds had colic - I bought colief, & another type, and gripe - was using all three at one point - seems ridiculous now, but I just didn't know which one at the time.

You are doing SOOOOO well. The EASY routine is working for you most of the time. This evening thing is very difficult - we were the same.

Just go with the flow my love, you will get there.

How are things at the moment ?

mogwai · 02/08/2005 23:15

thanks RachD

Your post summed it up beautifully. I hadn't realised until I read what you said that I get so many different opinions and don't know which one to take. The only thing I know for sure is that the EASY routine works. Yesterday I was at my mum's house, baby had had a feed and a play and wanted to sleep. She was really crotchetty. My mum was trying to give her more milk, but I knew exactly why she was crying (overtired). My mum was jigling her about, she hates that, it won't help her sleep. I suddenly realised how far we have come in the last four (exhausting) weeks.

It was kind of reassuring that I knew what she wanted, but it made me think that, if I leave the baby with my mum, she won't be able to keep her in her routine (if I told her what it was, she'd ignore it - she doesn't take kindly to advice or suggestions).

We were also using Infacol, Colief and anti-colic bottles at the same time. Seems ridiculous in retrospect.

Having spent a fortune on all of the above (the bottles were 20 quid }, turns out Gripe Water works better than any of them, and it's under three quid a bottle (mind you, she can't half drink it - we call it her apperitif)

Tonight, DH worked nights for the first time. I was dreading being alone, especially for the "witching hours", I've been getting headaches from her crying. But I took some ideas from the posts on this thread, kept her 8.15 feed very low key, didn't try to put her down at a certain time. Hey presto, she went down at 9.15 and is still asleep two hours later.

Makes me feel, yup, I can DO this!!

I look at mothers with such respect now that I am one. And when I see mothers with four children, I think, how the HELL do you cope??

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KiwiKate · 03/08/2005 08:06

Of Course you can do it Mogwai! Do keep in mind that this is a phase, and it WILL pass

You are doing a great job!

morningpaper · 03/08/2005 08:18

Yes YOU ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB - we don't say it enough. Keep at it, the grim part will be over soon and you can start to enjoy your baby more.

RachD · 03/08/2005 09:50

Glad things are on the up.
When you KNOW whats wrong - e,g, overtired, rather than guessing or just going through the list eliminating, that feels REALLY good, doesn't it. Good for you.
My mum, like me, belives generally in rountines and thought that Gina Ford and EASY were very sensible. She supported me and did whatever I wanted.
So can't really help, with the "my mum won't follow our routine " question - I think you should start a new thread - I am sure there are lots of mums out there who had this issue and will be able to give advice as to how they got round it !!!
There we go, a suggestion for a new thread !!!

morningpaper · 03/08/2005 09:51

Yes I must admit at first I was worried that my mum wouldn't follow our routines - and you know, she DOESN'T. But I don't care a toss. She looks after dd well and it gives me a break and they have loads of fun together, even if sometimes they eat chocolate all day and dd poos her pants. Who cares?! I get to read the paper.

Kelly1978 · 03/08/2005 09:53

hi mogwai, haven't kept up to date with all this thread, but once you have your routine well established the odd night with ur mum won't hurt. Plus once they older they can actually adapt to diff routiens with diff ppl, as I found when my exh used to have our two for weekends. (I was pg with ds when I left him.)

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