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BABIES EVERYWHERE or other EC types - ds2 has done 4 wees in the pot - wahoo - what next?

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 19:11

he is 8.5 months
i just started making the "pssss" noise this week when he weed during nappy off time
then today thought i would try cueing him - blimey! worked 4 out of 5 times
but anyway

what is next stage please? how does he tell me he needs to go, or do i just keep cueing at appropriate times? does it have to be all or nothing? i mean if we are busy or i don't remember, will it be a problem if he goes in his nappy? i am a bit daunted by the whole thing really - yet another thing on my mind - but i am excited by the concept and i think it would help his nasty nappy rash / eczema so much

how do we do poos? he usually poos while breastfeeding and doesn't make obvious grunts or straining, usually

thanks in advance for any help

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2jamsandwiches · 31/03/2009 19:56

8.5 months, that's fantastic! I started doing the same thing when DS was twice the age of your DS and it has been great. I remember a friend saying to me that she could think of more interesting things to communicate with her child about than poo, but I think that it's something that's so immediate to them that the incentives towards communicating are way stronger than with just about anything else.
There's a yahoo group for EC, do you know about it? ECUK. Also various American ones, including a 'late starters' group (didn't like it, myself).
I don't think it's all or nothing, though it's clearly helpful to have some way for them to tell what's happening. We did nappies out and nothing inside for quite a while. Worked wonders with nappy rash, which was evil all autumn...

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 19:56

anyone around?

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 19:56

oh sorry cross posts! thank you, will read now

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2jamsandwiches · 31/03/2009 19:57

oh, and there are a couple of books, one is called diaper free baby. I can't remember the names of any others. Also someone is just in the process of setting up an ebay shop with little pants, baby legs, split crotch trousers etc. to make things easier - again lots of details on the yahoo group.

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 19:58

oh great that is v helpful
i didn't know about the yahoo group
i was just reading on BE's blog that it doesn't have to be all or nothing by any means
this is very encouraging

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2jamsandwiches · 31/03/2009 19:59

crossed again...
am absolutely NOT an expert on this, I never had the courage to go with it when DS was really little. kind of wish I had, though I might still be too lazy next time round...

morningpaper · 31/03/2009 20:01

Hi Franny

I started mine from terrifyingly young ages (about 3 weeks with no. 2 ) but I used the toilet seat for number 2's - god the first yellow streams of breastfed shit straight into a toilet was such a RUSH OF EXCITEMENT for me

ANyway

I would try sitting on a toilet occasionally whe you suspect Poos May Be Imminent maybe after a feed if he hasn't done one, and just chatting or reading a book for a minute or so (even a gentle tummy rub)

Otherwise I think I basically took them to the potty/toilet whenever I went (or DD1 went) and I could be arsed. It's a bit like sleep - not something to be seen as improving on an incremental basis necessarily, but just something that you gradually incorporate into the day and see where it takes you...

I became quite aware of cues and would encourage at key times.

Both of mine were in pants by around the same age (20-22 months) without any prompting - i.e. by that stage they had no wet nappies and always asked or went when they were sat down on the loo/potty. It was very gently-gently.

morningpaper · 31/03/2009 20:02

I used a toddler padded toilet seat btw

otherwise obviously he would fall in and disappear

morningpaper · 31/03/2009 20:03

I also didn't use any books or anything

I just got shouted at by an old lady once when I confessed that DD1 always pooed on the change mat when I changed her nappy (she was about 9 months): "Well why the devil aren't you putting her on the potty then?"
"But you can't do that for YEARS!"
"What rot! You wouldn't say that if you had to boil the bloody nappies! All of mine were out of nappies by 18 months."
etc

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 20:04

yes fab
i think there is this fear that you are going to take their nappies off forever and be pacing around watchfully or forgetting and dodging streams of excrement
the continuum thing is a much better way of looking at it

i am so excited! i can't believe he knew what i meant so quickly - i only made the cue sound about 3 times in total so far when he was weeing, and yet he responded to it immediately when i cued him today
it's incredible

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morningpaper · 31/03/2009 20:06

It's SO EXCITING isn't it? I know it sounds like obsessive hippy shit but when you get that crap in the right place and you think WOOHOO another shitty nappy that I don't have to scrape off his arse - it's LIKE DROPPING AN E

honest

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 20:06

i think another thing that put me off was thinking that you had to be very aware of and responsive to them
i drift about in a haze most days and regularly forget to feed ds2 so i thought i had no hope with this

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 20:08

well i can't see the poo thing working
i am not sure about that at all, but the wee thing is great
if i can cut wet nappies down it is sure to improve the eczema under his nappy, isn't it?
and it is FUN
ds1 was so pleased too!

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morningpaper · 31/03/2009 20:08

Yah no I barely listen to the children
The toddler basically has to write my name in full perfect calligraphy before I even notice she is trying to get my attention
I am not liberal at all, I just like avoiding changing pooey nappies - I never had to do it after about 6 months with either of mine

morningpaper · 31/03/2009 20:09

hehe mine were under poo-control very early I think

we are obviously anally retentive or something

yes it is more fun with the second actually because the eldest one can cheer and enjoy the show and grunt along

TigerFeet · 31/03/2009 20:12

I looked after BE's dd once and got ridulously excited when I caught a wee... such an achievement You'd have thought I'd cracked the universal constant or discovered he weakest link or summat.

It is a great thing, esp with babies with poorly bums. IIRC that's why BE EC'd her dd to start with, she had a very sore bum.

Anyway, have emailed her with a link

morningpaper · 31/03/2009 20:13

I'm surprised more people aren't into it

It's MUCH MUCH more exciting than BLW

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FrannyandZooey · 31/03/2009 20:15

thanks chaps
am v chuffed

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2jamsandwiches · 01/04/2009 15:22

MP you're making me wonder whether I shouldn't give it a go with DC2, due shortly.
With your DC2 did you put them in nappies between loo/potty trips? What about night times?
And what happened when other people looked after them?

Babieseverywhere · 01/04/2009 22:41

Well done Franny

I am really excited that my NSC is taking to ECing despite me barely doing it this time around

I pottied 7 month old DS in today's breastfeeding support group meeting, before I put him on the scales. The HV asked what I was doing, I pointed out that she wouldn't like wee on her scales (and I did catch a wee)

Amazingly I realised that DS has been clean for days and it took me a week or so to realise !!!

Any how, regarding poo. If he poo's during a feed, try popping him on a potty for a couple of minutes before the feed.

My budda baby farts several times before pooing which is a handy hint.

You might consider introducing a hand signal for toilet or potty (not that my DS is signing despiting me signing to him for months...grumble grumble)

HTH

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FrannyandZooey · 02/04/2009 09:29

ds1 didn't start signing till about 10 months - i think it's like conventional potty training - you can start at 1.5 and be done at 2.5, or start at 2.4 and be done at 2.5

thanks BE
everyone says poos will be easier, but i have no idea where to start
he doesn't have any set times or any warning signs that i can see
i am probably not concentrating
maybe i'll keep a note for a few days and a pattern will emerge?

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FrannyandZooey · 02/04/2009 09:30

and, you know, if he wants a feed, he is NOT going to want to sit on a potty for a couple of minutes first, surely?

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Babieseverywhere · 02/04/2009 09:43

Franny, Thanks for the nice words about signing...DD started signing at 6 months, DS responds to my signs by smiling and grabbing my top but doesn't sign back...yet

With Poo, I reckon it is the upright position which helps trigger it. Why not try putting him on a potty morning and night at the same time for a couple of minutes, read him a book and see what happens.

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FrannyandZooey · 02/04/2009 16:48

yes i will ta for that
have read your blog which is v good

my friend says her baby signed milk at 6 months! ds1 must have been a bit of a duffer or else it is like those parents who say their babies are 'speaking' and to anyone else it sounds like a babble

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FrannyandZooey · 02/04/2009 16:49

or those loony types who claim to have got their babies weeing in a potty
you know the sort

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