Talking of word counts - what do you include?

[KatyMac]

Are direct (referenced) quotes included

Or tables?

Or do I refer to stuff & stick it in an appendix?

Help??

anything in brackets is not included, nor is direct quotations in speech marks

don't know about tables

brackets?? square or ordinary?

Speech marks I can understand

& is this the right way to reference an article??

M Whalley, S Allen, D Wilson (2008) Leading Practice in Early Years Settings (Achieving EYPS) Chapter 1 first 9 pages
This can be viewed at:
www.learningmatters.co.uk/sampleChapters/pdfs/9781844451760-1.pdf pages 1-9

No it isn't I nned to add publisher

M Whalley, S Allen, D Wilson (2008) Leading Practice in Early Years Settings (Achieving EYPS) Learning Matters Ltd; 1 edition, Chapter 1 first 9 pages
This can be viewed at:
www.learningmatters.co.uk/sampleChapters/pdfs/9781844451760-1.pdf pages 1-9

Is that better?

katymac
the title should be in italics, if you are using Harvard referencing

you don't need to write it's a first edition but if it was a 2nd edition you would put it in brackets (2nd ed)
you need place of publication and publisher

and then page numbers say page 1 to 9 would be pp1-9, or if it was a single page just p1

are you including the reference to the net too?

then this would be

avaiable from www.learningmatters.co.uk/sampleChapters/pdfs/9781844451760-1.pdf pages 1-9 [accessed 28th February 2009] using square brackets around the date

hope this helps

Thanks (it was in italics on my page - I just didn't on MN sorry)

Problem is I don't know the page number as I only accessed it on the net

have you tried Amazon?
Did you know that you can look inside some books?
I do this, and reference it as a book, naughty but my tutor told us of this trick!
Google do it as well

Oh how clever

Well chapter 1 starts on page 1 so hopefully pp1-9 if the layout is the same as on the net

are you doing the EYPS then?

I have just started a foundation degree in professional practice in the early years and enjoying it far too much
I aim to do the top up and then EYPS, so have a long journey ahead of me!

How long is that going to take?

I am doing a businessy degree but skewing it all to early years then I hope to do a short top-up to EYPS if it still exists after I finish my degree (I have heard some interesting stuff about it)

I am doing OU - as I already have 130 pts of previous study that I can use

well, the degree is part time as I work 40 hours a week. It will take 3 years as opposed to 2 years full time. I go to college every wednesday evening.

Then the topup will take a year and then the EYPS can be done in 3 months, I think. There is talk of doing the topup and EYPS together.

I am glad I am not doing OU as I feel my tutors and fellow students all support each other. It must be harder when you are not face to face with your tutor.
One of my work colleagues is also doing the same degree so we support each other too.

I agree it is hard - but I feel that for me the management is more useful than the child development stuff (which I am not sure I believe in - if you know your child as an individual)

But I do struggle - I have 5000 words to do in a fortnight

I have no idea how long mine will take as I already postponed the second part due to ill health

good luck with it!

If there is anything I can help you with, just give me a shout! I have worked with children for 20 years and I am learning new stuff every day!

Thanks I'm only 6 yrs in (plus DD who is 11)

So just to go back to my question - I don't include direct quote (in "")

do I include the reference that quote came from?

Presumably if I use brackets as a sub-clause I would include that?

Purepurple(Mumsnet 2009) states that "if you are using a direct quote from a book then the direct quote is not included in your word count"

I would count 1 word in that sentence, as the rest is in brackets or quotation marks

Is that word "that"?

Sorry I am so short of space I need to get it right I am at 989 for this bit & I should be 750

oops, should say 3 words

purepurple states that

sorry, was eating my breakfast at the time!!

I hate going over, adding more words is easier than taking them out

I know

My uncle (a level teacher) has just said tables don't count- which is a massive relief as goodness knows what the count would be with the tables included

I now need an article about job security in Early Years or staff fulfillment or something I can apply Maslow too or hertzberg

I think with Harvard referencing that your "quotations" so anything in "" does count. Although your ref list and bibliography doesn't...

May be wrong.

Really - oh poop

I am looking at my booklet from my tutor on Harvard referencing and it quite clearly states that direct citing is not included in word counts

otherwise you could use loads of quotes and not actually write anything!

www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Referencing

although it doesnt directly answer your question on here, it does say "gives you a lower word count in essays compared to other systems"
so reading bewtween the lines i would say you are safe to remove all quotes from your wordcount!

Thanks

I do worry

i used to work on the basis that since i couldnt find a programme on my computer to accurately word count with quotes then my lecturers couldnt either. experience meant they had a good idea of word count by sight,but it allowed a smidgen of 'flexibility' iyswim!

Oh how stupid of me - I was using Ctrl A, before word counting......not I highlight my answer (excluding the question) I only have 10% of the words I need

Which is a relief as I had tonnes more to say & upsetting as I thought I had done more

I think I am a pratt