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What would your take be on this......? Feel guilty but unsure of leader's reaction

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lisalisa · 09/02/2009 22:25

First, I must hold my hands up and say I have done something unprecedented in 12 years of parenting and in 5 kids - I actually forgot to pick up my child from an activity this evening [blush seems to sheepish an emoticon for this deep embarrassment]. There are reasons I forgot - going through a hard time but won't go into that now and its anyway no excuse.

I realised what had happened whilst in the middle of having my shopping checked out in Tesco. I left the shopping and went to a payphone ( mobile not charged) to call teh mother of the other girl dd goes to this activity with and with whom we rota. She was very gracious and just concerned that I was ok as - as she said ( thankfully)- I am always so reliable and notorious for being early everywhere and have never ever not turned up. Her dh had already gone to fetch teh girls.

The activity was held in a local community hall. It finished at 7.45pm . By 7.50pm the leader had to go on to a class and , apparantly having tried to contact me and the other girl's family , she told the girls she'd have to go to this class and they 'd have to come with her. The other girl's fatehr had already agreed to come and fetch the girls - a 5 min drive - but apparantly the leader said she couldn't wait and dd and the other girl ( we'll call her A) had to come with her.

She then proceeded to take them on a 20 minute walk in the freezing and pouring rain - its 2C where we are and really bucketing down. The girls were wearing just anorak type coats as teh activity is inside and all girls are normally dropped by car. When they got to the class teh girls ahd to sit on the floor whilst the class began both desparatley waiting for someone to get them adn both crying by now. What incensed A's father was that he had told the leader that he'd come straight away and asked how he was to find the girls if they are walking in the street and the leadeer replied that she couldn't wait and he'd have to circle the streets to find them or wait 20 mins until they arrived by foot to take them home. He did apparantly go roudn and round the streets looking but didn't arrive until 5 mins into class.

Both girls in tears and humiliated and soaking wet.

Now I know it is 1000% my fault - granted nad given. My only unease here ( and btw have ordered flowers for A's family by way of apology as well as grovelled on teh phone and apologised to my little dd too) is that this leader made 2 7 yr olds walk 20 miins in freezing rain with inadequate cold protection when really , IMVVVHO she should, as the adult in charge, whilst freely cursing me for making her late for her class, waited with them in teh warm for an adult to arrive and if ncessary missed her class.

Interested to know what other MNers take on this is.....

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MaureenMLove · 03/03/2009 16:35

I've e-mailed HQ about the question of responsibity ending when a session ends. I am 99.9% sure this thought wouldn't even cross the minds of Guiders (yours being the .1%, of course!)

Obviously, I didn't go into details at all. I can't anyway, I don't know where you are! I just asked a general question of the T&C's really. I'd be interested to know what the official line on it is and it might boost your case, if you have it from HQ!

southeastastra · 03/03/2009 16:58

blimey that's awful! we have to (in theory) contact social services if a parent is late (after school club)

she really shouldn't schedule another class so quickly after the meeting or at least should think to just go to her class later.

i remember finding my ds then about 8 standing alone on a field after football practise. the leader (any everyone else) had gone home to watch a football match.

BennyAndJoon · 03/03/2009 21:25

any update?

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MadBadandDangerousToKnow · 03/03/2009 21:43

Maureen - I'd be very interested to know what CHQ say, as nobody quoted chapter and verse to me for the bit about when the responsibility ends. And as I've said, even if we are entitled to just walk away, I wouldn't.

I don't think school is the best analogy here, because schools have statutory responsibilities whereas everything about Guiding is voluntary (although we do have to comply with law and good practice). I don't want to get bogged down in the detail of what would happen if a parent had a car accident and couldn't collect their daughter - on the many times I've been kept hanging around, it's always been because the parent didn't leave enough time for the journey or didn't realise it was the au pair's night off, it's never been a serious accident - but this is one of the reasons why we ask parents to provide more than one contact number. If a parent hasn't shown up within 15 minutes I ring to ask where they are.

lisalisa · 04/03/2009 11:09

Have had a call back from the Deputy Chief commissioner. Unfortunately I could'nt take the call and am going to call her bacak when I get a quiet minute at work.

Will let you all know....

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lisalisa · 04/03/2009 11:10

OH and btw - have withdrawn my daughter from this brownie pack and have emailed another local guider to ask whether there are spaces in her pack but no response yet. DD asks every day whether I have heard from her yet.

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MarmadukeScarlet · 04/03/2009 11:30

lisalisa, this is just awful!

This woman sounds as if she shouldn't be in this position of authority over children at all.

Good luck with the DCC.

cat64 · 04/03/2009 23:23

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lisalisa · 05/03/2009 09:55

Well I have now spoken to the divisional commissioner .

She was very sympathetci and apologised profusely for what had happened although interestingly offered no comments or judgment about whether or not this brown owl was wrong or misguided etc. She referred to the unpleasant experience a few times and seemed to take it seroiusly.

She did howver say it was something that would be dealt with at local level not high level - at leats it would start that way. She is therefore referring it to the commissioner for the area and will get back to me with an update in due course.

Seeing how many guiders have posted on this thread it suddenly occured to me that one may be involved in this story. I do hope not and if any guiders posting are in londno or south east ( I think we come under that combined region) it may be an idea to declare further info whilst not compromising identity ( e.g. to delcare I am local guider in kent) just so we know that no-one directly or could have potential to be diretly involved here is also posting here!

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PurpleCrazyHorse · 05/03/2009 12:50

OMG... you have so done the right thing. Ok, you forgot and therefore the other parent was late, but what if it had been just one child on their own?

You have to take this further for the welbeing of the other kids. Brownies doesn't happen with just one leader (as I remember from many years ago) so it's unlikely this group would stop if BO left.

I think lots of organisations usually have the line that their responsibility ends when the session ends but as a summer camp helper, we would never leave with a kid (without having agreed this with the parent, as we have done once) or abandon them onsite. I expect that all sensible volunteers would do the same. Don't let that put you off, but you're certainly right to find another BO who values the safety of your DD.

Good luck with finding another Brownie pack.

lisalisa · 05/03/2009 13:00

Thanks purplecrazyhorse.

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Peachy · 05/03/2009 13:02

You have doen the right thing (former rainow Leaer,now here near Kent ). I've been very angry wit aprents who left it very late knowing I ahd a 60 mile drive home (long story-movd and no replacement leader for 2 terms).I've even had my Dh ahd to call in a sickie because I've been abandoned with another person's child and couldn't go take care of my own but no, I wouldn't have taken them out of the way.
When i was close by I may have asked aprent if I could take them home (2 mninute walk) but if they'd said no I wouldnt ahve though too many incidents and the place might be lost).

lisalisa · 05/03/2009 21:53

Thank you Peachy - actually my mentionof Kent above was just an example. i am in the south east though.

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