Pop-in Problem, people! We have leaks.

[EssieAStarInBethlehem]

I know there's a pop-in thread going on already, but this is for anyone who uses them and is finding leaks. I've been using pop-ins exclusively on my DS (now 6 months) but recently I've been experiencing problems, and I'm seeking others with the same issues!

All was well. We would often get a bit of a wet leg (mainly on the right, but he leans to the right ) which I just put up with.
Then I tried a tots bots nappy belonging to a friend, and I've had no leaks at all, so I'm a bit about the pop-in.
I may start using the booster pad during the day, although I'm wondering whether the problem is at the leg area anyway. Will report back!

Then there's the night leaks. Mega wetness by 11pm, all over the back, grobag soaked, but the booster is often still bone dry at the back.

I was wondering whether this might be a boy problem? Last night we used a pop-in with a tots bots wrap . It worked, but shouldn't be necessary. Anybody got any other solutions>

Finally, my pumpkin ones are gradually turning white!! That's a dye issue.

BTW I was a pop-in princess so I'm pretty devastated!

Essie I know you must be devastated, I hate it when nappies turn out to be unreliable as I've had exactly the same with my Bumhuggers.

So far i've not had any leaks with mine, 11hrs in just the night booster and ended up leaving her for 6h in the normal two tongues when I took her to meet Sunflower in London (DD was asllep for the whole time and in general I don't agree with waking a sleeping baby although at 6h I decided I had to).

But, as I said in the other thread, do yours fit at the back because mine could def be better.

I have an orange one and it's very faded too but I got all mine 2nd hand so can't do anything about it, and they are all bobbling too.

Essie I get the occasional leg dampness if I leave them on too long (only use main soaaker for now on DD), and it also depends on the two elasics touching IYKWIM, but no probs at back or night so far.

though only used dispos with DS, most nights he'd be soaked through, bedding etc, but nappy not full, the wee kind of "followed a path", depending on when it was pointing

I am here - followed you from the other thread.

I did try DS in a full blown popin with the night thingy and the 2 normal doo-das and he was soaked through (up the back) by 11pm also.

I have trouble understanding how that happened as the back of the absorbant stuff was bone dry - so how did the wee travel from the front (which was mildly wet) and escape out the back without making the back of the nappy wet???

I would like to give it another go now the soakers have been washed a couple more times, but don't really want to have another 11pm clothes / bedding change as nobody enjoyed it last time!

I'm wondering whether this is a problem for boys more than girls at night. We need a call for other pop-in users with baby boys!

lollipop my pumpkin one has white patches on it much like bleach, but I don't have bleach. The company are investigating that one for me.

Ok, tallbird I've spoken to Close Parent now about the leaks.
this is a problem with boys - this makes sense, as Lollipop, sunflower* and others haven't had the problem.

• it's also an issue for smaller boys. (Mine is 6 months, and on the smallest popper setting.) How old is your DS? I'm going to be a guinea pig for the (well, DS, not me ) and I'm going to cut off the front flap on some of the nappies, as wee may be hitting this and being redirected somewhere else rather than on the soaker/booster. (Don't try this at home, tallbird*!) I will report back...

lollipop the white patches was a bad batch.

essie - with all the free advertising and now being a guinea pig are they going to give you free nappies????

Essie They should give you free nappies, you're their main advertiser! Mind you, if they don't sort out the problem you're not going to want a load of nappies that don't work are you, so you can always spread the wealth, wink wink !

You're cheeky birds, you... They're replacing nappies I cut up, so that's good news! Thing is I want them to really work. I have 28 of them!!
They also read here because when I said I'd tried some tots bots I'd bought cheaply for a friend they asked whether I was 'that woman on mumsnet who got them dead cheap'. Yes, indeed.

Hahaha Essie you are so busted! And Jesus Christ, 28! I hope to God you get them to work too in that case. Mind you, I have 9 EH Hemp and I really hope they bloody sort themselves out too, good nappy in theory but totally don't work for poos with my DD. She did one today though and it all stayed in, and she's doing one just as I type so I'm really looking forwards to that little present, not! I hate dreading a nappy change, I expect that's a bit what you feel like with your pop-ins.

On the whole I think I like the pop-ins but I've only got three and they only came the other day so I've not had much time to test them. I'm not impressed with the orange one fading but I knew it was faded when I got it. I am very impressed with how tidy they are, I like Wonderoos but they are such a mess, far too much baggy material and they're very wide between the legs I think which isn't the case with the Pop-Ins.

I do wonder whether the Pop-ins will last to potty training though because they're not massive in the rise I don't think although she's on the smallest setting so far so she's got a long way to go.

I have some Pop-ins and I have a DS! I love how soft and absorbent they are, and had absolutely no probs for the first few weeks, but now the leg binding is getting wet and wicking onto vest/clothes.

I think as they get used, the pop-in bits get scrunched up and you really need to make sure that they were flattened out after fastening up the nappy (ie by running your finger inside the leg opening). This seems to help alot. I have only used the nappy at night (with night booster and two tongues) on my DS once and it didn't leak. It was incredibly bulky though, and my son is massive (but only 12 months) and so I struggled big time to fasten it up! They will most definitely not last til potty training as the rise is starting to get too small on him already.

I still love using them and keep them in my nappy bag for out and about quick changes.

I have never had a wet back yet though !

Hi tellyaddict - you responded to the call!

I am a big fan of the pop-ins because they're lovely, compact, soft. Brilliant on poos. The leg leaks were a bit annoying but weren't that serious, but the night leaks were, and nobody wants to change a nappy at 3am.

My hands shook as I took the scissors to one, though!

Oh, with lasting to potty - my DS was teeny at birth, and is still small. No builders bum problems here, but he has a very small, pert and peachy bum. Takes after me, obviously.

Oh Essie -yes I can well imagine your hands were shaking as you cut into the nappies aaaaaaahhhhhh!

I can see why they've asked you to do it, as I've noticed that it usually sticks up over the nappy when it's worn, but hasn't caused us any probs (just looks untidy!).

The leg leaks are annoying, but I do tend to keep nappies on for a long time at least 4 hours unless he's poo'd.

I've get to find a pocket btp that will fit my son up to potty training (BG and Wonderoos no good either).

Oh, and 'Close Parent' if you need any more guinea pigs, I'd be only too happy , being a mother of boys .....

my DS is 5.5 months and a skinny one - but I have the pop-in on the second set of poppers, just like I do with my Bumgenius (ooo er missus). I don't think they would fit really on the smallest poppers.

When I did the night time thing I had to have it opened out fully because it was so bulky - do you think that could have been the problem? Not sure I could have got it done up otherwise.

I am a bit disappointed anyway as I kind of hoped that these would give a more trim nighttime nappy than the rather marvellous but not very skimpy bumbles I have been using - doesn't look like they will be any good at that.

They are nice though. I still like them.

They're really trim during the day tallbird but I figured night isn't an issue as he's asleep (yeah right...). At night he's on the second setting, but during the day it's the first. Maybe your DS is long?

tellyaddict maybe the sticking up is the reason why you haven't had any leaks - it's not in the way. The reasoning was that the wee went straight onto the flap, which is waterproof, then slid away to somewhere else eg leg opening and out. Whereas if the first thing the wee hit was the soaker it would be sucked up immediately.

That wee description sounds like a children's story! Do you think there's a moral?

True that that the trimness isn't such a big deal at night Essie, and they are good in the daytime (although no better than my BG to be honest) - of course the wee leaks are a problem at night, so I look forward to hearing how you get on with your modifications.

I find it hard to believe that the wee is rebounding off the front of the nappy and somehow spraying up DS's back mind you - especially as his willy is definately pointing downwards!

(poor DS having his willy discussed on mumsnet )

tellyaddict - yes, that's what I do too, and when I forget I get the wicking...

DD is 14 () weeks on Friday, about 12lb. on smallest setting with just the soaker during the day, soaker & pad or night booster on its own at night on medium setting ,so no bulk issues yet. they're my fav for outing as they roll so small and they seem to stay soft even without finishing off in the dryer. Love the colours too (though a bit p-off they'd run out of pitachio when I order the 10 pack so have 3 blue and 3 white ones instead, my least fav colours!). so I can put up with a little dampness which is not really wet through, just hope they don't get worse though as I've got 12 and hoping I wouldn't need many more when we're out of sz 1 (well, dd I mean!)

I had a thought this morning - had seen somewhere else that microfibre is good for transporting wee, but that natural fibres are good for holding onto it - so whatever it was that I was reading (probably some nappy porn) said to use a microfibre pad with something natural wrapped around it.

Sooo, in the interest of nappy science, I am going to try that at the next nappy change - have a thin microfibre insert and have wrapped the night time booster around it and will put that inside a BG.

Then next time I will just put a nighttime booster in a BG and see how the wetness transportation compares.

Anyone would think I had nothing better to do really.........

tallbird I think what's happening is the wee slides off the front flap and makes its way to the leg bits, and if baby is on his back, then it collects there. (Isn't it amazing, btw, how much a baby wees at night?!)
Anyhow, tried the cut nappy last night, but not a great test because we had a night nanny (one and only time for troubleshooting - but trouble not shot...). She changed him in the night and said his clothes weren't wet at all. Will try again tonight.

Today, though, I cut the flap off a white nappy, and still had wicking at the leg. I had kept him in the same nappy for 4 hours though. I'm keeping notes!

tallbird LOL at nappy porn! I'm so addicted to it!

nappy porn is my fav reading atm....

I use pop ins too (I think they are called pop ins, the make is itti bitti?)
I have noticed that the leg bands are getting wet sometimes too and I have a boy.
He is nearly 10 months but a dinky size for his age. Even so he is in the size large nappies as the medium ones are too low rise on him!! I do them up on the tightest popper settings.

I was planning on getting some microfibre cloths to put in to see if that helps, so let me know how that goes!

I use disposables at night as he wees so much I dont think the popper nappy will hold it all in.

2pt4 - They're talking about the Modern Baby Pop-Ins nappy hun, but it sounds like it's the same sort of thing as your Itti Bitti. I've heard great things about the Ittis, I'm a bit that you're having problems, I was thinking of investing but I certainly won't if they aren't reliable at that price they should be cast iron!

OK, well part 1 of my unscientific test is complete. Mini-TB was in my microfibre cored, pop-in night boostered Bumgenius for 5 hours today and no leaks. The booster was very wet at the front and a bit wet at the back - so it had travelled.

I didn't get chance to try the booster without my microfibre for any length of time as he pooed (doesn't he understand this is science??)but I will give it another go tomorrow.

And yes, it is incredible how much they wee generally, but especially at night (and when they don't have a nappy on!!).

My non-scientific tests involving scissors on nappies worked - he was dry all night last night. This time I'm trying it with the flap folded up because cutting nappies (even knowing I'll get replacements) is too upsetting! A mixed result during the day, with 2 leaks, 2 dry.
Course, I'm happy to pass on doctored pop-ins as they still work well...and I'm happy to cut up anybody's nappies!