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Why is it that proponents of 'controlled' crying think they're the emotional powerhouses of the parenting world?

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MrsThierryHenry · 23/07/2008 21:36

I've now heard one too many people boasting to me that the reason I refuse to use controlled crying when DS has sleep problems is that I'm apparently 'not strong enough' (I say 'boasting' because they clearly see themselves as emotional He-Men). So far, every time I've heard this I've swallowed hard and restrained myself from saying 'actually the reason I refuse to subject my child to such treatment is that I think it's cruel'. Maybe I should say that next time. I mean, which is harder - walking out of the door for 1.5 hours and switching on the radio downstairs so you can't hear your toddler screaming their lungs dry and thrashing their little bodies against the cot? Or going back every five minutes to soothe, reassure and calm them down?

As far as I can see, when you have a child, you're going to have sleep traumas at some point, but there's a choice as to who experiences the most trauma: parent or child. You can either offload the stress onto your months-old child by abandoning them to cry it alone, or as a parent you can accept that you are the one with the emotional resources to handle stress, and so support them through it. So again I ask, which approach requires more strength?

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MrsThierryHenry · 23/07/2008 22:44

Kiskidee ! You mean you're enjoying making her squirm? Isn't that tantamount to inflicting the pain of CIO on an adult?

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MrsThierryHenry · 23/07/2008 22:45

Spiceynicey - ahhh. Yes, that makes sense. I'm well out of touch with all the terms now that DS is all of 20mos. Must clarify here that I'm not an APer either!

Lord. I don't know what I am .

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kiskidee · 23/07/2008 22:48

so let's make an analogy spice monster. don't know if you will agree with it.

Would a colleague groping your nork be considered assault?

What about if he didn't actually touch you but 'accidentally' let a drop of water drip down your cleavage and then apologised but you fully well know that is was no accident. Is that a form of assault?

To me both are. not necessarily on the same calibre both things that will make you uncomfortable, uneasy or furious.

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SixSpotBurnet · 23/07/2008 22:49

wot spicemonster said (that was pretty much my experience too)

SixSpotBurnet · 23/07/2008 22:49

wot spicemonster said (that was pretty much my experience too)

ratbunny · 23/07/2008 22:49

I do cc with ds from time to time.
If he is ill and crying in the night, I will co sleep, but then when he is better he invariably wakes in the night wanting to get in my bed. Then he PLAYS! In the middle of the night.
As a single parent and working, I, like spicemonster, cannot function if I have been up half of the night with a playing toddler.

So dont judge all of us who use cc. It works for ds, and usually takes 1 night and about 20 mins of going in every 5 mins. And getting him in bed with me would be the easier option at 4 in the morning, but I know he will continue to wake in the night for the next however many nights...

but obv the comment about not being 'strong enough' is out of order..

spicemonster · 23/07/2008 22:55

kiskidee - I would only ever look after someone else's child in the way that they looked after them. Like I said, I leave my DS alone for longer periods because I know that going in every few minutes actually distresses him, rather than calming him.

But in response to your analogy - grope yes, that's assault. Drop of water - no.

Surely what we all want to do is help our children sleep happily. I don't do what you do because it doesn't work for us. You're perfectly entitled to do stuff differently

eenybeeny · 23/07/2008 23:00

attachment parenting

kiskidee · 23/07/2008 23:01

see, spice monster, I thought my friend would do the same as you. commonsense no? especially if you were volunteering. if she didn't want to give my dd a cuddle when/if she woke up, then why offer to look after her?

I had a long and partially misspent youth so i know i am not missing out if I don't have someone to babysit.

her and my dh are v good friends otherwise I probably wouldn't be in touch with her. so I insist on being nice to her for the sake of their friendship.

kiskidee · 23/07/2008 23:02

eek, not even if he was all leery? i always knew i was strange.

Morloth · 24/07/2008 10:17

I follow a very rigid parenting regime personally.

It's called the "Do Whatever The Hell Works"(tm) book, by Ms M Morloth.

You can all send me £12.95 now.

The extended version (an extra £6.95) includes the advice, "When it stops working, do something else that does".

OrmIrian · 24/07/2008 10:34

mrsth - quite. For some of us cc wasn't the right way and when in desperation I tried it it didn't work well.

But on this sort of subject ditto those who tell us we pander to our children, spoil them, let them walk all over us about ...well almost anything really.

I don't see my relationship with my DCs as a fight for supremacy, like breaking in a wild horse. And...shock horror....I also think at they have a right to make their own decisions about many aspects of their lives. Which is why my eldest walks around with long hair inspite of the fact it makes me shudder just a little bit. It's his hair, not mine There are rules that DH insist upon upholding, but outside of that the answer is usually YES. Good parenting consists of more than saying no as a default.

OrmIrian · 24/07/2008 10:35

Sorry that was meant to read 'rules that DH and I insist on'. It read like DH was a dictator and I'm a jelly.

krang · 24/07/2008 10:36

I did CIO at 2.5 months. Worked very well for us.

It was difficult, but lots of things to do with kids are difficult. Taking them for vaccinations is difficult. First day at school is difficult. Breaking their Toy Story addiction is difficult. I'd never dismiss a parenting method for being difficult.

If you're confident in your parenting choices, whatever they are, you shouldn't allow silly comments to get to you.

Boring generalisations ('all Ap-ers are hippies', 'all CIO-ers are control freaks') are boring.

TattooedGrrrl · 24/07/2008 10:38

By krang on Thu 24-Jul-08 10:36:04
I did CIO at 2.5 months. Worked very well for us.

That IS a joke, isn't it?

wasabipeanut · 24/07/2008 10:44

I hate this idea that responding to your baby is somehow "caving in". Really, really hate it.

Considering study after study has found that many emotions are effectively hardwired in within the first 18 months of life this idea of just leaving a baby to cry for as long as it takes seems incredibly dangerous and damaging.

Yes I am judging.

Having said that I do think that the concept of "controlled" crying has been completely bastardised. It was never meant for babies under 6 months. Also, going in every few minutes to reassure a baby over 6 months is controlled. Leaving them for a hour isn't.

I do like Morloths advice though - £12.95 on its way!

krang · 24/07/2008 10:44

No joke.

Though I must admit, having a fully breast-fed baby who went down at 7 and only only woke for one feed a night at 2.5 months did make us all very happy.

spicemonster · 24/07/2008 10:46

I don't understand this thread. I think that it is criticising crying it out rather than controlled crying (I think). And does anyone really do that anymore? Apart from krang ...

giddly · 24/07/2008 10:46

If she left the child for 1.5 hours then it wasn't CC - it was Cry It Out - a very different approach.

wasabipeanut · 24/07/2008 10:47

Spicemonster I agree - hence my point about the meaning of controlled crying being twisted.

krang · 24/07/2008 10:48

Oh bollocks, I typed CIO not CC...

The perils of Mumsnetting while on hold to your mortgage advisor.

So yes, to reiterate, did CC at 2.5 months.

I also keep my child in the cellar and feed him dead snails.

Morloth · 24/07/2008 10:52

"I also keep my child in the cellar and feed him dead snails."

You say that likes its a bad thing, is very French - no?

krang · 24/07/2008 10:55

The French know nothing. They COOK their snails. Ruins the delicate slimy texture.

Elffriend · 24/07/2008 11:32

To be honest, the real difference between CC and CIO is that the baby falls asleep before you've one back it. If they fall asleep in 10 minutes they've 'cried it out'. That is still the point of CC - the point is the falling asleep, not the crying. It's just a question of timing but one phrase is even more loaded emotionally than the other.

Listening to your baby cry is hideous -even for a short time. Having a baby who cannot sleep despite the fact that they are utterly exhausted is also hideous. Either way, I think the trauma for the parent is extremely high unless you are just talking about a person who ignores/abandons their child completely -for which there is no acronym.

coolbeans · 24/07/2008 13:12

Views on ?sleep training? are fascinating - it seems to ignite such a impassioned response.
I was trying to find a way to get my LO to sleep better ? and did lots of research in methods. Various bits of research seem to support the ?extinction? method, or CIO, as the most effective approach, without any subsequent detriment to the psychological development of the child. Here?s an example

I couldn?t do it, because it wasn?t right for me and I don?t think it was right for him. Listening to him cry was too distressing for me ? didn?t want to do it anymore, couldn?t do it any more. That doesn?t mean that I?m weak or that someone else that can do is strong. May well be right for some families/children. Horses for courses, eh?

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