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14 yr old won't go to bed WWYD

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MorganTreeman · 29/11/2025 01:18

14 year old son needs a lot of sleep in order to be ok the next day.
Always has done since birth.
Needs masses of sleep.
When overtired, he gets massively overstimulated, goes 'wired' and won't or can't sleep. Not enough sleep and he goes into meltdown.
He's the same now at 14 as he was at 3 months.
I try really, really hard with teaching him good sleep hygiene, getting into bed with enough time to read and wind down, before going to sleep.
All his life I've been strict about bedtime routine and I have had to be because a late night causes distress for him on some sort of neurological basis.
So now he's 14 and has started saying no when I tell him it's time to get into bed and start reading to wind down, ready for sleep.
No, no, no, go away, NO, he shouts.
OK, I say. Stay up then.
The next day, he is a wreck. Unable to get up. Unable to get ready for school. Late into school. Annoying his friends who he's arranged to walk in with because he doesn't show up cos he can't get out of bed. Eventually he does surface in a FOUL mood. As in me and DD run for cover. When he gets home from school, he's all over the place. Horrid mood. Snappy. Irritable. Bad tempered. Arguing with DD. Monosyllabic to me. Blanking me. Ignoring me. Ticking all over the place. Tap tap tap. Hum hum hum. Cough cough cough. He drains of all colour in his face. Goes white. Eyes like saucers. Dark circles under eyes. Yawning constantly. He's like someone who is delerious. This gets worse as the evening goes on. It's painful to watch my child like this.
Then we hit the same conversation in the evening. I tell him he's overtired. He argues at me that he's not. I put my foot down and insist he needs to relax and wind down and get to bed. He shouts NO at me multiple times.
I leave him and go to bed myself.
No screens allowed after 8pm BTW. So hes not gaming or on his phone. He's just zoning around wandering about his room dysregulated but refusing to go to sleep. The more overtired he gets, the more dysregulated he gets, and the more he won't go to sleep. He's taller than me, I can't put him to bed. It's like having a 5ft 9 baby who you're trapped in a negative bedtime cycle of overtiredness with.
Next morning, repeat. Can't cope with alarm, getting up, school prep, or the day.
When he does this on Friday nights and Saturday nights, it wrecks the next day. He either refuses to go out with us for family plans. Or he does come but ruins it with his appalling mood. Or he cancels his social plans with friends. Or he stays in his room all day zoning out doing nothing.
But. ....when on the rare occasion he admits defeat and actually goes to bed at the time i tell him he needs to (this is very very rare), after still arguing whilst his head is on the pillow, arguing how "stupid" it is going to bed at tgis time, I've timed it and within 3 to 4 minutes he is DEEPLY asleep. Sleeps through the night for 12 hours. Then wakes up smiling, happy, fresh faced, colour in his cheeks, good humoured, chatty, basically the boy he really is underneath the crippling overtiredness. Then he marvels all day about how good he feels. And the tics vanish.
We get to the evening, he starts refusing to go to bed again and we're back to all those symptoms again.
So what do I do?
Battle him over bedtime or leave him to it and let him suffer the next day?
He will not listen to reason when I try and talk this through with him when it's not bedtime. He's more stubborn than anyone I've ever encountered.

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Topseyt123 · 29/11/2025 17:43

Why are you trying to send him to bed at 8pm? I'd have thought 10pm would be more suitable for a 14 year old, and less likely to cause the pushback you are currently getting.

I remember when I was about his age. My parents were quite strict on bedtimes but even they didn't send me until 9.30. I could then read in bed for half an hour. It was about right.

AlliWantIsARoomSomewheeeere · 29/11/2025 17:45

Thanksfoetheextrabbayby · 29/11/2025 02:00

I don't think so as it sounds like he's forcing himself to stay awake to fit in with his friends..... adhd people don't tend to fall asleep as soon as their head hits the pillow which OP says

when on the rare occasion he admits defeat and actually goes to bed at the time i tell him he needs to (this is very very rare), after still arguing whilst his head is on the pillow, arguing how "stupid" it is going to bed at tgis time, I've timed it and within 3 to 4 minutes he is DEEPLY asleep. Sleeps through the night for 12 hours

I have adhd ( diagnosed as an adult ) and my mum ended up installing a little lamp on my bed when I was a child ( I was bottom bunk ) as she would send me up to bed at say 7pm and I would still be lay in bed wide awake at 1am when she was going to bed

Adhd people tend to sleep little and still be fine the next day, they just don't need a lot of sleep in general. The OPs son is really struggling without the sleep so I don't think it is adhd

Though this is often the case, it's not always. I have ADHD and I needed soooo much sleep as a teen and the only time at that age I struggled to go to sleep, was when I had something on my mind bothering me. I was in bed and asleep by 8:30 most school nights til 16 (except one night I had an extra curricular) and I was extremely irritable if I didn't get enough sleep.

IndigoIsMyFavouriteColour · 29/11/2025 17:49

My teens have to be off all screens and quiet at 10pm, we don’t moderate when they sleep (how could we) and they go to sleep on their own around 10.30/11pm and up at 7.30 for school.

There are no arguments about it.

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VikaOlson · 29/11/2025 17:53

So long as screens are off at 8 or 9, I'd leave him to figure it out himself.

The more you nag him about getting enough sleep, the more he needs to resist and not allow you to be right.

If you just say to him, ok, you're 14 now and you need to find your own sleep schedule and listen to your own body, he will experience natural consequences and work it out for himself.

Take the power/control/conflict out of it.

tinyspiny · 29/11/2025 17:56

8 pm is very early to remove a phone etc from a 14 yo , how does he communicate with his friends in the evening ? Perhaps if you stop treating him like a small child he will stop acting like one . What is it with all the threads on here this evening by people treating their teens / pre teens like babies.

Christmasfairyishairy · 29/11/2025 17:57

It so hard to get melatonin even with ASD and ADHD. Our gp give dd a antihistamine that meant to make you sleepy that never worked for her. So I've been buying melatonin from the USA for around 5 years my friend psot it or I get it from piping rock

VikaOlson · 29/11/2025 17:58

Doesn't sound like this child has any problems with sleep onset anyway, he just doesn't want to go to bed!

SwirlyShirly · 29/11/2025 18:34

My ADHD son is the same to the letter. He’s wiped out after a full day at school, then homework, and needs time to himself to ‘rot’, but then stays up too late to function effectively next morning. Sorry I have no advice, just a bit of solidarity really.

Seeline · 29/11/2025 18:49

When he gets home from school, he's all over the place. Horrid mood. Snappy. Irritable. Bad tempered. Arguing with DD. Monosyllabic to me. Blanking me. Ignoring me. Ticking all over the place. Tap tap tap. Hum hum hum. Cough cough cough. He drains of all colour in his face. Goes white. Eyes like saucers. Dark circles under eyes. Yawning constantly. He's like someone who is delerious.

This is not normal for a 14 yo who has had a late night. And it not usual for a 14yo to have to be in bed every night at 8pm

Bad mood, but grumpy - yes
The rest - no.

I think you need to take him to the GP.

Tiswa · 29/11/2025 18:56

12 hours every single night or he can’t wake up isn’t normal. Take him to the GP

ItsFridayIminLoveJS · 29/11/2025 19:33

Tics... ASD/ ADHD .. My 17 year old Grandson is like this.. he has ASD and can be nocturnal.. he's only in college 3 days a week.
He has melatonin.

dippy567 · 29/11/2025 20:32

I agree 8pm way too early. My 13 year old ds needs a lot of sleep, but his bed time is 10pm but actually when tired will go up much early and usually by 9.30pm...

Maybe giving him the freedom means hes less likely to resist?

Usernamenotav · 29/11/2025 21:29

What time are you asking him to go to bed and what time is he actually going to bed?

Have you taken him to the dr to investigate why he needs so much sleep?
You mentioned him being happy after sleeping 12 hours- this isn't sustainable at all. How will he live his life needing that much sleep? There's something going on with his health and it needs looking into desperately

MorganTreeman · 29/11/2025 21:37

OMG, why are so many people saying I'm putting him to bed at 8pm?!?🙇

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Ooooookay · 29/11/2025 21:48

MorganTreeman · 29/11/2025 21:37

OMG, why are so many people saying I'm putting him to bed at 8pm?!?🙇

I wondered this, and also why people think he needs 12 hours every night. I assumed the 12 hours was because he hasn’t slept properly for a while.
My children aren’t that old yet but would he respond to an incentive? Eg go to bed at 10 for a week and we will do x at the weekend. And maybe no bedtime Friday/Saturday?

tinyspiny · 29/11/2025 21:54

MorganTreeman · 29/11/2025 21:37

OMG, why are so many people saying I'm putting him to bed at 8pm?!?🙇

I think some people , like myself are asking why he has his phone etc removed at 8 when many 14 yo will still be out at clubs like scouts etc

FrodoBiggins · 29/11/2025 22:00

MorganTreeman · 29/11/2025 21:37

OMG, why are so many people saying I'm putting him to bed at 8pm?!?🙇

Probably because you included a weirdly large amount of detail about what he says and how moany he is and how tall he is, but didn't mention what time you try to get him to go to bed or get up?

MorganTreeman · 29/11/2025 22:08

tinyspiny · 29/11/2025 21:54

I think some people , like myself are asking why he has his phone etc removed at 8 when many 14 yo will still be out at clubs like scouts etc

Because he gets overstimulated by screen use, so he needs a couple of hours no screens before bed so that his brain can relax.
Also I'm trying to teach good sleep hygiene.
By screens I mean phone, switch. I don't mean TV.

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MorganTreeman · 29/11/2025 22:09

FrodoBiggins · 29/11/2025 22:00

Probably because you included a weirdly large amount of detail about what he says and how moany he is and how tall he is, but didn't mention what time you try to get him to go to bed or get up?

Really.
So nothing to do with the weirdly large amount of posters who are unable to read and comprehend details within text.

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tinyspiny · 29/11/2025 22:11

@MorganTreeman that is obviously your choice but it is quite difficult for them when they’ve missed conversations etc at school the next day and can lead to resentment . What time do you expect him to go to bed ?

Sassylovesbooks · 29/11/2025 22:12

My son is 15, and he needs his sleep, always has done. He's in bed reading at 8.30 pm, and lights out between 9.30-9.45 pm. He sleeps all night, and I have to wake him at 7.10 am to get up for school. On a Friday/Saturday night he stays up later. My son can be grumpy, moody and miserable if he's tired. However, your son sounds extreme, and I'd agree with others, he needs to see a GP, because his behaviour when tired is bizarre and the amount of sleep he needs is a lot for his age. My son had glandular fever last year, and this has taken a toll on him, and I now have to actively make sure he's getting enough sleep, otherwise his immune system dips.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 29/11/2025 22:18

I am so sorry your OP was a little long to read. So thought I would post what used to work for me when my son couldn't get to sleep. Like yours, mine needed their sleep. When they came down long after bedtime, I would always say this is mum time and I'm ironing. I was there with the iron and the ironing board set up. I was clear that I was ironing because I would be watching a documentary or something else interesting that I had recorded to watch on TV. My DS would look at me with horror and say, help boring. My reply was always the same.Yes, but this is now mum time, and that is what I want to watch.So the documentary on history, egyptology , science, culture would proceed. Only once did that backfire on me - we watched the Jeremy Clarkson 1st part of 2 on Brunel. My son was totally engaged and asked to watch the 2nd part! He did, because normally he sloped off to bed utterly bored with Roman or Egypt based documentaries.

AltitudeCheck · 29/11/2025 22:26

Can you reward him when he does go to bed, so maybe the next day say I'm really pleased you slept well last night, if you do the same tonight you can have <insert reward>? As you've said he does fall asleep quite easily when he actually goes to bed could you perhaps suggets watching a film, reading or listening to an audio book in his room instead of sending him to bed and see if he will drop off to sleep?

Jllllllll · 29/11/2025 22:32

He clearly is neurodivergent. Probably ADHD. Have you taken him to a GP? Melatonin would probably help?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 29/11/2025 22:33

Thanksfoetheextrabbayby · 29/11/2025 02:00

I don't think so as it sounds like he's forcing himself to stay awake to fit in with his friends..... adhd people don't tend to fall asleep as soon as their head hits the pillow which OP says

when on the rare occasion he admits defeat and actually goes to bed at the time i tell him he needs to (this is very very rare), after still arguing whilst his head is on the pillow, arguing how "stupid" it is going to bed at tgis time, I've timed it and within 3 to 4 minutes he is DEEPLY asleep. Sleeps through the night for 12 hours

I have adhd ( diagnosed as an adult ) and my mum ended up installing a little lamp on my bed when I was a child ( I was bottom bunk ) as she would send me up to bed at say 7pm and I would still be lay in bed wide awake at 1am when she was going to bed

Adhd people tend to sleep little and still be fine the next day, they just don't need a lot of sleep in general. The OPs son is really struggling without the sleep so I don't think it is adhd

My adhd dd and Dh both need tons of sleep. Way more than normal and cannot go to sleep early.

Adhd ds goes to sleep as soon as his head hits the pillow. He needs tons of sleep too.

Howrver l think this boy in the op’s post has ADHD. Procrastination, ticks, edgy, demand avoidant.