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OK so I hate the SAHM v WOHM debate as much as anyone, but last night I was absolutely SAVAGED by an SAHM for my choice to work

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limecrush · 21/05/2008 09:20

I am still smarting.

She was drunk and ranting; she hardly knows me and no doubt it is all about her own issues; but I'm still smarting hard.

I am a lecturer, travel to work. Also had severe PND; there's a lot of issues. She knows about few of them.

It started with 'why are you seeking status' (erm as a lecturer not likely to get much of that).
'you have had two beautiful children, that is the greatest achievement you will ever have, and you are not there' strange that cos I seem to see an awful lot of my children really including at 4 am every morning this week and then 6 am and then from 5 every night while dh is still at work. But clearly, I am not there.

Then 'it's only five years, that wouldn't affect your career that much would it'

I then told her that I had been suicidal after ds1 was born and that work had helped to save me from that and that perhaps some women need to work? She just looked at me with that 'oh you're insane' look people do when you talk about depression.

I started to feel either like crying or slapping her and had to walk out of the bar in front of my other friends who probably now think I'm an overemotional nutter.

Oh, the 'debate' is definitely alive and well...

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missblythe · 21/05/2008 09:35

Bonkers. Utterly bonkers.

Luckily, she's got a crippling hangover now, and has to deal with her (hopefully really naughty) DCs, instead of quietly curling up in the corner of the office with a cup of tea and sunglasses on like a working mum would do.

mistypeaks · 21/05/2008 09:36

She does sound like a Grade A bitch to be honest. Avoid her and her toxic crap like the plague.
YOU do the best thing for your family. Never mind anyone else and they're petty little opinions. We all make choices re child rearing (god that sounds like some kind of farming!!) whether it be TV/Food/childcare. Some of them are always wrong to someone. You will never win. Ignore it. Focus on what makes you and yours happy. That's all we truly have in this short life.

Tortington · 21/05/2008 09:36

the nuts thing is even bringing it up at a function - in a bar - with someone she hardly knows - in front of friends.

its really poor form

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missblythe · 21/05/2008 09:36

X posts, Hassled.

Evil Great minds think alike

Doodle2U · 21/05/2008 09:38

I don't think I've ever been judged for my choices in RL. Round 'ere, they just accept that you work/don't work and no one bats an eye lid.

limecrush · 21/05/2008 09:39

yeah suppose I have to see her as nuts Custardo.

our friends didn't hear it, I don't think, they were talking amongst themselves.

everyone in my group of friends thinks she's such a great mum and 'really down to earth'

I have a feeling everyone would defend her and say 'oh she didn't mean it' but it really was such a sustained attack and she has been snotty with me for so long that I know she did.

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Clairef29 · 21/05/2008 09:39

What an absolute cow!!! Why do some people think its their god given right to lecture others when they know sweet FA bout their situation? I too had awful PND and even though I'm much better now I still get defensive bout stuff like this. Going back to work really helped me and also improved our home environment as it helped give me back my sense of identity and thus my moods and emotions improved. Every family is different and as long as you are all happy and healthy who gives a stuff what she thinks! Well done for acting so dignified, I would hav prob thrown my drink over her! but that would have been a waste!!!

Doodle2U · 21/05/2008 09:40

Apart from my SIL. She judges me ALL THE TIME about EVERYTHING but she, like this mad woman in the OP, is a pork pie short of a picnic

Kewcumber · 21/05/2008 09:41

I can;t say I've ever felt judged before either - have WOHM friends, SAHM friends WAHM friedns and every shade in between - the only difference is the practicality of when we meet.

I think in a simialr situation I might have to the classic - "I'm sorry, but you seem to have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit what you think" line.

ipanemagirl · 21/05/2008 09:44

That is absolutely unforgiveable of her.

Mothers have always worked it out, the balance between life and work and kids, women are not a homogenous bunch of breeding cattle, we're as varied as we are numerous! Women have to work out as their family grows up what suits them AND their kids.

I was/am a SAHM mostly (have done a few contracts and some part time work ds is 7) and looking back I think it was BAD that I was with my ds ALL the time because after the first year I was so bored. so unstimulated and at times so miserable that I honestly think he would have been far better off with a CM for two or three days a week! I think children vary a lot in their needs and so do mothers/fathers. That's why blanket judgements are totally meaningless.

It sounds like you spend a lot of time with your kids. My f dumped my m with 4 of us under 10. She went back to work to save her sanity, thank god for us that she did!!!

Shed that person who was so rude!

HaventSleptForAYear · 21/05/2008 09:47

More common than you'd think - see this thread here

JennieBaldrin · 21/05/2008 09:50

Poor you - what a ghastly sounding woman.

Perhaps the best thing, if it happens again, is not to engage in the conversation. Just smile and say "I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one" and then move away.

YeahBut · 21/05/2008 09:59

She's barking.
We all do what we need to do. Ignore her. I hope your friends stuck up for you.

cheesesarnie · 21/05/2008 10:03

she sounds awful.so long as what your situation works for you and your family its no one elses buisness.after having dd and ds1 i returned to work and got horrid comments because of that.after ds2 i chose not to return to work-i got and still get slated because of that.no one is ever happy!

cluelessnchaos · 21/05/2008 10:06

How dare she bloody judge you, are you going to say anything to her when she is sober, ie I understand you had a few but I was very disappointed in your behaviour, better still do it whn she is hungover.

SixSpotBurnet · 21/05/2008 10:07

Sounds as if she has Ishoos, big style.

You should have threatened to unleash Xenia on her .

sfxmum · 21/05/2008 10:08

to OP as and as a SAHM, she sounds like a frustrated loon - ignore and carry on doing what is best for you

scaryteacher · 21/05/2008 10:17

Ignore her - she's jealous that you are balancing a fulfilling working/academic life with parenting. I went back to work p/t when ds was 6 months, and then did my teacher training when he was 5, and worked f/t until I resigned to move abroad 18 months ago. I don't work here as they don't teach my subject; and I'd want a job that fitted around school holidays etc as ds is 12.

I enjoyed working, and I enjoy not working, there's a lot to be said for both. You have to do what is good and what works for you and your family. Your dcs won't be happy if you stay at home and are bored brainless, and neither will you. Unhappy mum = unhappy family.

Next time, tell her to mind her own business as you have your life just the way you like it, and you're sorry that she hasn't got hers worked out yet.

Carnival · 21/05/2008 10:28

Yup, she's a loonball, scaryteacher is spot on, methinks there's some green-eyed monster in her.

Some of us don't have the choice of whether or not to work, whether that be for financial reasons or for the sake of our sanity.

Bin her, she's a drain on your emotional reserves and well worth forgetting.

waffletrees · 21/05/2008 13:59

I would have told her to "fuck off". Have you got her phone number? If so phone her now, whilst her hang over is killing her, and tell her she was an utter twunt.

I am a SAHM and I think that everyone is entitled to do what is best for their family without judgement from twats like this.

nickytwotimes · 21/05/2008 14:01

How dreadful for you lime!

The woman clearly has 'ishoos'. She should not be taking them out on you!

OrmIrian · 21/05/2008 14:05

Nasty!

I've only ever been critisised for working online. Not here, totally different site where bfing was also described as what 'cavewomen' did

Not sure how I'd cope if someone said anything like that to my face. Cry probably, being a total wimp.

tigana · 21/05/2008 14:11

She is both a nutjob and a cowbag.

Have never been criticised for being FTWOHM. Have had "oooh that must be hard" a few times (And actually, for me, yes it is rather). Would never dream of demeaning what it takes to be a SAHM.
Think earlier poster was right, you are "allowed" to work PT. That way you are neither a lazy, brain-dead SAHM nor a cold-hearted, status/money driven FTWOHM. .

Amazing the ability we women have to slice and dice each other isn't it?

DrippingLizzie · 21/05/2008 14:12

Each to your own, and all that...wouldn't it be boring if we were all insensitive, insulting and judgemental old bints?

TheFallenMadonna · 21/05/2008 14:13

People say all sorts of ridiculous things. A colleague of DH's told me I was lucky to be happy as a SAHM, since once a woman passed a certain level in her education it just wasn't an option . I just laughed. What else can you do?

As everyone else has said - her problem. And everyone you were with would have seen that too...

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