Night time potty training

[Lilactoes]

Hi all

I have a recently turned 4 year old boy. I am currently trying to night train him
He showed signs and he does not want to wear his pull-ups anymore so I've gone with it

He is doing good, wee before bed, but I have to wake him up at 10pm to go (we discussed it with him and he's happy to be woken up)

He will still have 1 accident at night
I think problem is that he is so used to wearing a pull up at night not that he can't hold it. He's been day time trained for nearly 2 years.

Hoping someone can share experiences and tips.

Shall I still persevere and he will get used to understanding wake-up signals?

I'm happy to continue and will keep going it's more of the fact that I want some experiences and know if this is correct or not etc

Thanks

I don't know what to say really

He should have been doing this for the last 2 years but hey Ho

Give him less to drink at night

You have to continue because otherwise he'll be in nappies as a teenager at this rate

Why though? It's hormone related, not trainable.

@BookRecsPleaseAndThankYou

What ?

Who says it's hormone related

No one

OP, does he wake up with dry pull-ups by morning?

I'd wait until his pull-ups are dry in the morning, for a solid chunk of time, before ditching them completely, otherwise they might not be quite ready.

If he's so used to wearing a pull up at night, do you let him wear his normal pants at night when you aren't using pull-ups? That helped my little one, similar age. We still get the odd accident but not every night.

It is hormone related, don't know why you're saying it's not! They need to make a hormone that reduces the production of urine at night and also to be able to wake with the sensation of a full bladder. It's not something you can train as they're asleep.

Some children take longer to be dry at night and I think boys especially can take longer.

With all due respect you are talking shite!
Lots of 4 year olds are still wet at night

You cant train night time dryness.
Maybe you should just say nothing if you've nothing useful to contribute

This is stupid advice. If i had waited for dry nappies, DS would probably still be in pull ups now at age 10.
I started training him because I had to set two alarms at night to change him in his sleep otherwise his nappy would leak every time because it was so full.
My mum didnt trust he was dry and kept him in nappies at her place for over 6 months longer and even though he was dry at home with no nappy, he would still have really full nappies when he stayed with her.

I say persevere! DS had accidents for less than a week and then he was fully dry. I did wake him to pee every night for several months, always at around 11 when I went to bed.

"The brain produces a special chemical messenger, called vasopressin that tells the kidneys to make less wee. More vasopressin is usually made at night than during the day, so the kidneys make less wee at night. Some children are not able to produce enough vasopressin at night, so their kidneys carry on making as much wee when they are asleep as they do during the day. Their bladders are not able to hold onto all the extra urine made."

(Reference: Bladder and Bowel UK)

"Some children find it hard to wake up when they need a wee.
It’s not because they are too fast asleep – it's because their brain just doesn’t recognise the signal of a full bladder during sleep. This is often called 'poor arousability'.

We all make vasopressin – a special hormone – at night. It tells our kidneys to make less wee while we sleep. Some children don’t yet make enough vasopressin so their kidneys produce lots of dilute wee – too much to fit inside their bladder."
(Reference: ERIC Children's bladder and bowel charity)

This is stupid advice.

Why wake a sleeping child?

I'd rather let them sleep and rest than wake them up.

Each to their own.

https://eric.org.uk/advice-for-children-with-night-time-wetting/

This site is really useful. They used to suggest intervention at age 7. That has dropped to age 5.

Sorry this made me laugh! Just how confidently you say ‘who says? NO ONE!!’. Of course there’s a hormone that slows down the production of urine and yes it’s common for children not to make enough of this hormone before age 5.

What I meant is that the OP hadn't mentioned being advised re it being hormone related.

Obviously yes it could be hormone related but also not

I forget sometimes what a nasty bunch you lot are

No one as in not the OP

Here is an explainer for children
https://cypf.berkshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/media/109513829/becoming-dry-at-night-enuresis.pdf

They are awake for 2mins to wee. DS didnt even wake fully. I basically guided him to the bathroom, sat him down, told him to wee, carried him back to bed and he didnt even remember it the next morning.

You cant just wait around for dry nappies. What if they are still not dry at age 8? You keep waiting because they arent ready?

DS still weed in his nappy after being dry without. His brain probably told him “no need to wake up, youre wearing a nappy”
This would go on forever 🤷🏻‍♀️

Well done for being able to google @Brbreeze

Maybe you'd like to advise OP to do so

You cant just wait around for dry nappies. What if they are still not dry at age 8? You keep waiting because they arent ready?

Agree. This would require a trip to the GP long before then. Sometime after age 5.

@KittenPauseyou were the nasty one trying to imply that the OP was to blame for her son still being wet at just turned 4.

Your initial response to the OP wasn't particularly helpful or kind either.

Maybe have at look at some proper guidance like nct where this is taken from rather than trying to make someone feel bad about something which is largely out of their control

By age four years, most children are reliably dry in the day. It’s normal for night-time potty training to take longer. Most children learn how to stay dry at night when they are between three and five years old.

Up to one in five children aged five years sometimes wet the bed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3dykw576yo.amp

I suppose there's been a huge issue with hormones the last few years has there ?

Usually it’s hormonal and 4 is the average age to be dry at night so I really wouldn’t be worried about it right now and I definitely wouldn’t be disturbing his sleep by waking him
at 10 and then putting myself through daily washing of the sheets. In some cases yes it can be sleeping too deeply and then you might want to try other things like limiting drinks in the evening, lifting or alarms but you’re not there yet with a 4YO. I would keep the pull-ups for everyone’s sake and do nothing. Chances are he’ll start waking up dry well before his 5th birthday. If he gets to 5 and still isn’t dry then that’s when I’d rethink. But right now he’s a perfectly average 4YO and this isn’t a problem for his age.