Stopping co-sleeping 8 week old

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Hi everyone,
I'm currently bedsharing/co-sleeping with my 8 week old baby. I never meant to do this and bought a next-to-me crib with the intention of her sharing our room but ultimately sleeping in her own 'space' so to speak.
Well, after continuous sleepless nights and a velcro baby, it didn't happen and I ended up bringing her to bed with us just so we could get a few hours peace and rest. It was becoming dangerous how sleep deprived I was as I was falling asleep breast feeding etc.
Anyway, we follow the safe sleep 7 so I feel confident that this is OK however, it is absolutely crucifying my back and hips sleeping in the exact same position all night long. I just don't think I can carry on like this. If it was for the pain and discomfort I would happily continue.
My worry is that she doesn't go down very well amd falls asleep on the boob every night. If I move her she will wake up screaming! How on earth do I start the transition to her next to me cot? Also, she is an extremely hot baby and once she starts crying she sweats horrendously and is soaked in minutes. I worry that any clothing I put her in to keep warm in the night will cause her to overheat if she cries.
I'm at a complete loss, please help!

Try not to worry, my LO is five months, we co slept for a good chunk of time for months 2-4 and we still do part of the night now but he is going into his crib more and more easily (and earlier too!) and we haven’t done anything differently except introduce a nightly bathtime routine . still feed to sleep but just transfer to the next to me . Give it some time and just do what you’re comfortable with.

IMo lean into the co sleeping. It’s some of my most treasured memories. It also save my sanity. Baby is 1 and in her own room now

No these are not the right strains. You could use this product too but the Jarrow formula is the best I’ve seen other than Evivo. I recognise all the strains and have taken two of them myself (trying to reset my microbiome)! There is adult research looking at allergy using Bifido with human milk oligosaccharides. Don’t ask!

all of the Jarrow strains are very well respected and researched. I don’t recognise any of the strains in the one you posted.

b lactis won’t colonise, it’s not a human strain. It comes from cows. While you’re giving it you will gain some benefit but it won’t last.

The Jarrow formula is all human strain bifidobacteria. These three have been tested all together as a trio and have been shown to have some synergistic effects in reducing inflammation and resetting immune cells helping the body differentiate and balance between th1 and th2 cells. I would give it six weeks to see how things go. You will see in the YouTube video it can take a month for the microbiome to shift so six weeks should cover it. I’m sorry you have to go through this.

I would also say it’s imperative to fix this as too high levels of some bacteria may contribute to development of autism, aside from allergy. Thats another theory floating around. Again needs more research. Sadly I am living with the evidence. Autism is almost certainly genetic but I think that when the microbiome is not at its optimum place, the behaviours can become more extreme during development. That is why we are seeing an ‘increase’ in autism. It’s always been there but it’s becoming more and more pronounced as our microbiomes lose diversity through antibiotics and poor diet.

if possible try to eat a really healthy diet! Lots of protein and nutrients! Good luck 🤞

osteopathy may help. Toning the vagus nerve may have some impact on the microbiome But I’d still probably use the probiotics to go from all angles!

I was coming on to say that this helped me. I used my pregnancy pillow to support my back and hips and sort of leaned back into it. Can you also swap sides before a night feed (if you have the bed to yourself), this really helped. My DD co slept until 6 months and then went straight into her own cot/own room. We had a next2me never used...she hated it for some reason and slept much better in her cot.

Wow!
Thank you for your input it's really fascinating! Why on earth are they manufacturing probiotics then that don't actually work??
Could I use the Jarrow ones in conjunction with the ones I've been told to get? I'm wondering if they would be antagonistic in combination or become more synergistic perhaps??
She will be taking them longterm as I too have read that poor gut exacerbates they symptoms of autism if present. My stepson has ADHD and Autism so it could be genetic from father but who knows??
I just wished I'd used something better sooner for my little girl. I feel that I've now missed that vital period where I should have done more.....

@Disappearedwife yes I'm torn between wanted her to grow out of this clingy phase but equally I know I will miss it terribly once she doesn't want cuddles anymore 😔

@CrispAppleStrudels I think it would definitely be worth taking them now even at 3yrs old!
@catsnore @AmyW9 @Mumoftwo2022 it's lovely to hear that all of your babies have successfully co-slept with you! I hate people passing judgement on you for it, almost as if you've failed as a mother for not being able to settle them in a cot! I've got 12 weeks as a sort of goal so to speak to work towards getting her in her own space but still right next to me in our room. She's just so tiny I panic at every slight move I make or of she's really quiet I equally panic thinking she's stopped breathing 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ she also has a tendency to roll on her side towards me and sleep rather than on her back where I put her. This makes me really panic as all the safe sleep guides say that they must never side sleep...

You still have plenty of time to help her, she’s so young still. Please don’t worry. It’s really early days. You’ve really got lots and lots of time!

For probiotics, the market is not regulated enough. If a manufacturer manages to get the strain through the legal hoops they can sell it to anyone. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good.

To give an example. All women probiotics to help with vaginal thrush, BV and general vaginal health all use strains that aren’t naturally found in the vagina.

they use lacto Rhanosmus and lacto acidophilus.

this is just so wrong!! Yes they work but most of the time they won’t colonise.

The most abundant strain in the vagina for healthy women is lacto crispatus.

Why do no companies sell this strain? Yes why indeed?? No one wants to do the research and fund research and then a new formulation.

Fortunately again in USA a company is now selling a pellet with l crispatus only in it. Finally.

there is one company in Italy that sells a strain of l crispatus. But it’s need refrigeration to stay stable. Not an easy purchase.

Most of the probiotics are mis-sold in my view. People chuck them down with no real knowledge of what they do.

i researched the strain you posted and I can find zero research on that strain, none. Nada.

So for that reason I wouldn’t bother.

Youll find the other three if you google them and put optibac in with each one individually. Certainly m16 and 63v.

Bb536 is in a league if its own. Masses of research into that one. I pulse on and off with it. Good stuff.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1756464619300684

Here you go;

https://www.optibacprobiotics.com/uk/professionals/probiotics-database/bifidobacterium/bifidobacterium-breve/bifidobacterium-breve-m-16v

this is in the Jarrow formula

And 63

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10055625/

this is owned by moringa in Japan. Very popular probiotic there with good reason, it’s excellent.

And try to stop worrying! It sounds like you’re really careful and attentive so nothing will go wrong. I remember how terrified I was with my DD when she first came home. I was blind sided by the responsibility of it all as well as the intense exhausting love!! It’s quite overwhelming. But you do adjust - eventually!

do hope the drops help and your little one starts to settle 🤞

Thank you for all the links, I'll have a good look today at them all.
This was also recommended to me by the osteopath and apparently there was a big study on it by .Swansea university??
https://www.biocare.co.uk/baby-bioflora-probiotic-33g

I too had a clingy baby who needed to co-sleep and lots of cuddles throughout the day, needed contact naps in the day until she was almost a year etc. She is 8 years old now and very snuggly and we have such a beautiful bond. She also was a terrible sleeper as a baby but is the envy of most my friends now, she is still asleep at the moment! Please ignore all rod for back comments, just keep doing what works for you and your baby. The reality is human babies weren't evolved to sleep in cots away from their parents, some will and if that works for them and their family great no judgement but for many it doesn't and that's absolutely great too.

I can’t find it. I can find other research similar to this strain but not the strain in the biocare product. It’s nowhere. For some reason they’ve used a different strain. Not sure why. Could be cost? Could be stability/viability?

The other strains i linked to above have been studied in multiple randomised controlled trials around the world and are human strain, with good results!

I know it’s nice to put your trust in a professional and there are certainly times to do that but these days whenever I encounter anything medical Google and Pub Med particularly are my first port of call. I’ve been badly let down by some doctors (not all) so my trust level is not high. I’ve also found that my understanding can vastly outstrip theirs on a certain niche topic like this one because I will have put many hours into researching the latest scientific trials. When you don’t recover from something properly and doctors can’t give you anymore help, you’ll often find a treasure trove of new information on Pub Med they’ve simply not got to read themselves as they are too busy practicing. Fair enough! I don’t blame them at all it’s hard to keep up with every new development and things keep changing all the time. Trials go this way and that way too so it can take years for improvements and changes to reach the mass public.

Theres a company in USA called Tiny Health that sequences the microbiome of babies and gives advice on probiotics.

Again it’s usa only but they will process it if you find a way to send it back.

USA is so far ahead in a lot of areas of research compared to us.

My baby turned out to have CMPA and was very clingy. Wouldn't be put down for any naps etc.

10 months now, and still cosleeps as still wakes every 2 hours at least. Can put down for naps though! Contemplating move to cot as baby crawling and climbing so can make a dash for edge of bed upon waking if I'm not careful! Going to mean even less sleep though 😭