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Ex is refusing to share Christmasses

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thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 13:45

Posting for a friend.

Advice sorely needed. I’ll state the situation and add what I advised below, but I don’t know if it’s accurate!

Situation:
The divorce occurred several years ago, and friend had always allowed the ex to have the child every Christmas. Ex’s family are extremely local whereas friend’s family live very far (4hr drive). Ex always said that this was what was better for child and friend went along with it. Child is now nearly 7 and the ex’s argument of ‘child can’t be away from me’ does not hold any water anymore and my friend wants to alternate Christmasses etc. but ex refuses to budge and will not enter into a conversation. The divorce was entirely without solicitors/court orders. The ex couple simply agreed arrangements amongst themselves but it has been so far dependent on my friend simply giving in for the sake of not causing problems for the child.

my advice
(from my own experience of going through the process as I am currently going through a divorce with children etc):
It is highly preferable for parents to have 50:50 unless there is a good reason not to. If the ex will not engage in a conversation or be reasonable and share the time then my friend should write a very adult, well reasoned email detailing their proposal for future arrangements, and suggesting that they go through the legal system if necessary. Problem is that friend is not awash with cash but ex is.
i suggested that the current legal thinking is firmly on my friend’s side and they will not have much difficulty arguing, and could potentially represent themselves if need be.
But there is the added problem of introducing acrimony to a previously ‘smooth’ (as I said only because friend didn’t argue) relationship.

I very much hope that someone is able to suggest a quicker route to getting a fair arrangement.

thank you.

(I know it’s annoying to read but I have purposely obscured the sex/genders of the people in question).

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thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 15:03

Onehotday · 13/08/2024 14:56

This is exactly why OP left the sexes out of this. Because along with people hating on the man regardless, you get nonsense like this.

Yes!

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Doyoumind · 13/08/2024 15:08

ladydeedy · 13/08/2024 14:46

Given the distance involved in travelling, it would seem reasonable for the child to have Christmas week with one parents and New Year week with another before heading back to school.

That doesn't feel very child-centred to me.

Whatever people say, I know from my own experience, those of family members and friends, as well as my own DC that these contact arrangements can be really difficult for children.

What's the longest period the DC usually has with the NRP? Do they have whole weeks together currently? All of this should be taken into account when considering what's best for the child. Can NRP's family travel to NRP to have Christmas there and avoid the long drive?

thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 15:12

Doyoumind · 13/08/2024 15:08

That doesn't feel very child-centred to me.

Whatever people say, I know from my own experience, those of family members and friends, as well as my own DC that these contact arrangements can be really difficult for children.

What's the longest period the DC usually has with the NRP? Do they have whole weeks together currently? All of this should be taken into account when considering what's best for the child. Can NRP's family travel to NRP to have Christmas there and avoid the long drive?

They do have extended periods of time together. Weeks+

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GoFigure235 · 13/08/2024 15:13

Going to throw this thought in there. 4 hours is not a long drive. We frequently travel 7-8 hours (longer in bad traffic) to visit family for 3-4 days. We pick up the kids from school/nursery, chuck them in the car and arrive early hours. It's fine.

I'm not seeing why ex couldn't drive up on Christmas eve, stay a couple of days and then come back.

Princessbananahamock · 13/08/2024 15:13

Christmas is about the kids not parents wants. So I would suggest Christmas with resident parent (as you have stated res parent has family close by). New years with NRP as their family live 4hours away. This way child can have two Christmas celebrations. I would advise against court action it could turn acrimonious, and it does involve the child having to talk to Cafcass etc it’s not pleasant.
op perhaps suggest to your friend nrp speaks to rp and suggests new year with his family and a second Christmas. I think nrp will have to tread carefully not demand but put it across as being something really great for child yeah double Xmas.

Reugny · 13/08/2024 15:16

Princessbananahamock · 13/08/2024 15:13

Christmas is about the kids not parents wants. So I would suggest Christmas with resident parent (as you have stated res parent has family close by). New years with NRP as their family live 4hours away. This way child can have two Christmas celebrations. I would advise against court action it could turn acrimonious, and it does involve the child having to talk to Cafcass etc it’s not pleasant.
op perhaps suggest to your friend nrp speaks to rp and suggests new year with his family and a second Christmas. I think nrp will have to tread carefully not demand but put it across as being something really great for child yeah double Xmas.

How do you know the child doesn't want to spend Christmas Day with their other parent and that side of the family?

If they do or no-one is sure they do, then it is in the child's best interests to alternate Christmas.

Also this is about their birthdays as well.

thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 15:17

Doyoumind · 13/08/2024 15:08

That doesn't feel very child-centred to me.

Whatever people say, I know from my own experience, those of family members and friends, as well as my own DC that these contact arrangements can be really difficult for children.

What's the longest period the DC usually has with the NRP? Do they have whole weeks together currently? All of this should be taken into account when considering what's best for the child. Can NRP's family travel to NRP to have Christmas there and avoid the long drive?

They do have extended periods of time together. A week or more at a time can happen.

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thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 15:18

GoFigure235 · 13/08/2024 15:13

Going to throw this thought in there. 4 hours is not a long drive. We frequently travel 7-8 hours (longer in bad traffic) to visit family for 3-4 days. We pick up the kids from school/nursery, chuck them in the car and arrive early hours. It's fine.

I'm not seeing why ex couldn't drive up on Christmas eve, stay a couple of days and then come back.

I don’t think it’s prohibitively long either.

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thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 15:19

Princessbananahamock · 13/08/2024 15:13

Christmas is about the kids not parents wants. So I would suggest Christmas with resident parent (as you have stated res parent has family close by). New years with NRP as their family live 4hours away. This way child can have two Christmas celebrations. I would advise against court action it could turn acrimonious, and it does involve the child having to talk to Cafcass etc it’s not pleasant.
op perhaps suggest to your friend nrp speaks to rp and suggests new year with his family and a second Christmas. I think nrp will have to tread carefully not demand but put it across as being something really great for child yeah double Xmas.

Thank you for this. It’s good advice.

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thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 15:20

Reugny · 13/08/2024 15:16

How do you know the child doesn't want to spend Christmas Day with their other parent and that side of the family?

If they do or no-one is sure they do, then it is in the child's best interests to alternate Christmas.

Also this is about their birthdays as well.

This is also the case!

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BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave · 13/08/2024 15:26

Ottersmith · 13/08/2024 14:34

The Mother should have them on Christmas, the Father can have them every boxing day. When I was young I would have hated spending Christmas away from my Mum.

Why?

No reason why the sex of one parent matters more than the other

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 13/08/2024 16:11

I think that as long as your friend gets one week or thereabouts at Christmas, the actual dates shouldn't matter. They can make their own Christmas. They do need to start re-asserting their boundaries though. Maybe by pointing out that a court would award X++, and friend is only asking for X.

Spirallingdownwards · 13/08/2024 16:14

Reugny · 13/08/2024 13:52

I think generally speaking alternating Christmas and birthdays is best and if it was to go to court it would need something pretty compelling to stop that being the ruling.

As @Sirzy said.

I'm not sure where I read it but if a child doesn't spend Christmas Day with both parents they may see and feel that their other parent doesn't want them on special occasions.

What rubbish.

If this went to court no court would have an issue with ordering alternate Christmases as the default position.

thishedgehog · 13/08/2024 16:19

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 13/08/2024 16:11

I think that as long as your friend gets one week or thereabouts at Christmas, the actual dates shouldn't matter. They can make their own Christmas. They do need to start re-asserting their boundaries though. Maybe by pointing out that a court would award X++, and friend is only asking for X.

Yes I think this is a really good point. Thank you

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