What's your take on immunization?

[elly1255]

This thread isn't about me or immunization for my child. ‼️‼️

I have a friend that has a 9 week old that isn't getting her child her imms due to reasons I do not know.

I just wanted to know do people do this? What's your takes on ims?

My boy has his next week , how was your children after? I have other children but can't remember how they was after the first ones.

She screamed inconsolably for 3 days. We got checked out and it wasn't concerning just ride it out with Calpol and cuddles. At the time she also had severe silent reflux that the GP was under treating and undiagnosed food allergies both of which were addressed when she was seen in paeds for the vaccine reaction so actually it was the best thing that happened to her.
She had the men B at 17 months on its own but slightly less intense. It lasted for more like 36h that time and not quite as inconsolable so the fact she was miserable with reflux and allergies will have contributed
She has had no issues with any of the other vaccines.

It was a lot less heartache than my grandmother who had 60 years without her son

We are differing vaccinations untill DC are older. We have unfortunately seen someone close to the family (Mums friend) die after having their 1 year imzs. They had a reaction within days and slowly detoriated over the next year completely vegetated state. And they refuses to link the Ims to the reaction. It was horrible.

I don't think there's any need to end a friendship over this.

Ultimately people either vaccinate or don't because they want what they think is the best for their child. You don't even know the reasons why she's chosen not to vaccinate?

I always would have thought anyone who didn't was a bit paranoid at best, reckless and careless at worst (mine is vaccinated) but then I met someone who had a serious reaction to a vaccine as a child and nearly died and decided not to vaccinate her dd because she was terrified she'd have the same reaction. I can't really argue with that logic and in that scenario I'd be hesitating too.

I think being to fast to just dismiss her is unfair. Ultimately its her choice to parent whatever way she feels is best for her child and you don't need to agree with all her choices to respect her right to make them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-41312200

This is such a sad story of a mum who leant the hard way that measles is a disease to be avoided. The risks of vaccination are v small compared to the risks of these diseases.

To me it seems like such Western privilege to choose to not research it sensibly if you’re concerned and choose to believe someone with no decent credentials on social media, or some homeopath who tells you that getting diseases boosts your immune system, well maybe if they don’t permanently damage you. My Victorian great great grandmother had two of about 9 children live to adulthood, do the anti-vaxxers want to go back to that kind of ‘natural’ life?

My take is that vaccinations clearly prevent the vaccinated person becoming extremely unwell, as well as passing the illness onto others. I believe the anti-vaxxers who choose to not get their children vaccinated are either poorly educated on why vaccinations are important, ignorant to the risks to the child and to others, hoodwinked into conspiracy theories, negligent or a combination of those factors.

This does not apply to people who cannot have vaccinations due to medical reasons.

Given that child protection proceedings can be taken in cases where parents dont comply with medical reccomendations for theor children I do wonder if there is a case for making childhood vaccinations compulsory unless medically contra indicated

I can't accept parents who don't vaccinate staff. It just seems so incredibly stupid and ill-informed.

I can’t believe people end friendships over this. Surely it’s the parents choice , if she’s done her research and she’s decided she doesn’t think it’s right for her child that’s her choice. If your child is vaccinated and you are so sure they work why are you concerned ? Mine had the childhood vaccines didn’t have any adverse affects, cried a bit after that’s all. They haven’t had chicken pox vaccines and I really don’t see the point , it is not a serious illness. Kids need immune systems to fight some illness on their own the same with covid vaccine risk to children so low and it’s like a cold so also didn’t vaccinate for that. I don’t judge other parents for their decisions I imagine they do what’s best for their own children. I think the language on here is quite nasty and judgmental.

So, because one person died you think all vaccines are dangerous?

Don't you think that talking to a medical professional who actually understands how vaccines work and who can allay your fears might be a better idea before you make a decision?

Anecdata is not the same as peer reviewed scientific evidence.

Chicken pox can be very serious and life threatening in some cases.
I am immunosuppressed and found myself stuck on a train very near a child with obvious chicken pox. If I had caught it I would have been seriously ill. There is a reason we are told not to take a child with chicken pox out of the house. Why you wouldn't vaccinate I cannot understand. Developing shingles in later life can also be very serious and the current shingles vaccine programme is painfully slow.

Vaccinations do actually stimulate the immune system to work as it should. There is so much ignorance around.

Immunisation is one of humankind's greatest inventions. My great grandmother died of TB. Many diseases have been eradicated because of vaccinations.

You can get the chicken pox vaccine privately. Both of my children have had them.

My dad, now departed, was an old fashioned health inspector back in the 50's/60's/70's. He used to tell me of all the awful diseases that killed and maimed before we had vaccinations. He used to take me to graveyards to look at the graves too. Weird, but interesting. He also had a friend who had polio, and walked with a stick and a friend who had measels and was deaf. As children we had all the vaccinations available at that time, even when they were new. Memories of terrible disease and death were still fresh in memory then, I think we have lost that fear now.

My DC's have had everything available.

You're absolutely right. I've done the same with the friendship my children mean the world to me I'm too paranoid to be round someone like that

I ended the friendship as I was called " dumb" and told to " wake up" for wanting to vaccinate my 3rd child. What she wanted to do was her choice I wasn't there to judge , I judged when I was told to look on TikTok at the risks.

@Lavender14 I do know the reason why she's decided not to vax, ticktock. This is the reason why she's decided not too. It's TikTok because she seen a lady that little girl got ill after having vaccinations then put her off giving her daughter them. Again I told the other lady, I would mind my own business but ( see below)
" I ended the friendship as I was called " dumb" and told to " wake up" for wanting to vaccinate my 3rd child. What she wanted to do was her choice I wasn't there to judge , I judged when I was told to look on TikTok at the risks."

I’m 9 weeks into whooping cough and still awake large part of night coughing….the first 3 weeks were around 18 hours of hardcore coughing a day with vomiting in between …I can easily see how infants die of this

Chickenpox vaccines are not offered as part of the childhood vaccine schedule in the U.K..,,you can get them privately but mostly people don’t

I nearly died from measles
My grandmother died from flu aged 28
My grandfather was deformed by polio
My great grandmother died from tb
My other great grandmother died from diphtheria.
We are very lucky. Your friend is misinformed.

I was born in 1980 and have a friend who is partially deaf from measles, another who nearly died as a toddler from the meningitis you can now vaccinate against and another friend whose tiny baby spent four weeks in GOSH nearly dying from measles. I do not like the odds. Occasionally vaccines don’t take so no, my DC would not be socialising with unvaccinated through choice DC if I could avoid it. It’s a selfish choice that affects everyone who cannot be vaccinated and the wider population generally and I would assume they were either terminally dim or selfish. If that makes me judgemental then so be it…they made their choice and I will make mine.

Our children had every vaccine available on the NHS and a couple of others that weren’t.

I’m old enough to know people who had relatives who died/were left disabled because of what were once common childhood diseases. I spent several weeks in hospital aged 2 with whooping cough.

Medical exemptions aside, anyone choosing not to immunise/vaccinate their child is ill informed and playing with fire.

Why would someone choose to believe some random on social media rather than tried and tested medical evidence?

Are they completely lacking in critical thinking? We all know that, statistically, the miniscule risks from vaccinations outweigh the risks from actually catching the diseases they prevent. Maybe if they don't understand this they should retake GCSE maths.

@elly1255 the person I ended the friendship with also wouldn't brush her children's teeth because she believed 'flouride is toxic' which is another step too far for me!

It makes me angry.

This anti vaccination movement bought back diseases that people worked so hard to get rid of for centuries.

There are so few things in life we have control over, I don't understand why the government would give an option on the most important thing - which is the health of the people.

Its interesting how parents worry about what is in the vaccines- but happily feed their children with mcdonalds and other processed crap which we know for a fact is poison.

In my country, the immunisation of the children is mandatory. As it should be!