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Neglect/Smacking - Advice please!

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nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:00

I am writing re my 17 month old nephew - the child of my brother and his girlfriend.
Since he has been born, there has been repeated concerns of neglect and general lack of interest in my nephews safety and well-being.

As they have a start up business (which they prioritise), my mum is heavily involved in the care of my nephew and looks after him Friday-Sunday (10am-11pm), and often additional days too. This has been the case since he was around 6 weeks old.

Concerns were raised very early on, and there continue to be new issues. Such as:-
baby was diagnosed with torticollis, they were told to do physio exercises at home and did not do this
baby was repeatedly left on his back in the pram before he was able to sit up, leaving him with a noticeably flat head on one side which is still apparent now
baby was only bathed once a week
baby was left with untreated thrush in his mouth for 3 weeks
baby was left with untreated ringworm
baby was left to feed himself at an incredibly early age (possibly 4-5 months) bottle placed in mouth and propped up with no control
baby was confined to pram for hours at a time (when able to sit up)
baby “forced” into high chair(that is the language used by the mother of the baby)so that mother can do “more important things”
baby was grossly underweight, suffering with constipation too, which has only been addressed once with a doctor. To this day he still has constipation issues left unresolved and often left un medicated
baby is dressed in ill-fitting clothes, often 2-3 sizes too small (despite us buying and sending new clothes for him)
baby was placed in a car seat too small (essentially squashing his head) so they didn’t have to buy another one until this was raised
Baby was given apple and a McDonald chip before he had teeth and choked on these
Baby has been put in a car that is grossly unfit to drive, had black mold in it, has a faulty gearbox etc which is a serious danger

We have attempted to raise some of these problems but have always been shot down. They are very cold , aggressive and self righteous people I can’t stress this enough. My brother can be extremely volatile and for the sake of the baby and maintaining contact we have tried to be patient. However, this week, my mum witnessed baby’s mother smack him extremely hard on his bare bottom and threaten him several times with violence “shut up or I’ll slap you”. Baby had done nothing wrong other than wanting to play with something she didn’t want him to. The smack looked like a very natural reaction and she has shown no remorse when confronted by my mum. She said my brother is also smacking baby, which he denies. My brother is defending her actions and said we need to show her respect?! There’s been no assurances from either this won’t happen again, she simply said “I never hurt him”

it escalated today when my mum and me went to my brothers to speak to him. He threw us out of the house, told us smacking is not an issue to them, and refused to address it. He indirectly threatened us with not seeing the baby.

this is devastating to us, our main concern is that without involvement we cannot ensure he is being cared for properly.

my question is, does this catalogue of issues warrant a report to social services? I am concerned about his well-being, happiness and safety.

I have seen that in england the laws around smacking are sketchy. But surely, as a 17 month old, reasonable punishment could not be deemed as a defence?

my nephew is obsessed with my mum (his nana) and they have a truly beautiful connection and relationship. Stopping her seeing him would not only deprive my nephew but it would ruin her life. My fear is that if we report them and they get off Scott free so will have more ammunition to cease contact

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TeaKitten · 15/06/2024 23:03

If a child is being neglected and the parents won’t take help you report it to social services

FuckTheClubUp · 15/06/2024 23:04

my question is, does this catalogue of issues warrant a report to social services?

Surely this question doesn’t need to be asked? You can get in touch with social care and they’ll be able to provide you with the correct advice on what the next steps are. You can also contact NSPCC in order to report this

BirthdayRainbow · 15/06/2024 23:08

Even before the smacking there were numerous reasons to report to social services.

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:13

@FuckTheClubUp i guess I’m asking because I don’t know if it will be acted upon or seen as serious enough. And also Risking them ceasing contact is a very scary concept as then we have zero control/awareness.

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sprigatito · 15/06/2024 23:16

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:13

@FuckTheClubUp i guess I’m asking because I don’t know if it will be acted upon or seen as serious enough. And also Risking them ceasing contact is a very scary concept as then we have zero control/awareness.

It is definitely serious enough. You need to report it, immediately. I have had to report someone close to me, and I know it's hard to pull the trigger and not second guess yourself - please believe us, this is child abuse and you can do something about it. Do it. Flowers

PithyLion · 15/06/2024 23:16

take out everything about flat head and lying down from your list, it is all irrelevant. Concentrate on the stuff that is actually neglect, not the stuff which is simply in your opinion not how you would parent. You want to make a complaint which is relevant, not your subjective opinion

Does the car have an MOT?

Concerns were raised very early on, and there continue to be new issues. Such as:-
baby was diagnosed with torticollis, they were told to do physio exercises at home and did not do this
baby was repeatedly left on his back in the pram before he was able to sit up, leaving him with a noticeably flat head on one side which is still apparent now
baby was only bathed once a week
baby was left with untreated thrush in his mouth for 3 weeks
baby was left with untreated ringworm
baby was left to feed himself at an incredibly early age (possibly 4-5 months) bottle placed in mouth and propped up with no control
baby was confined to pram for hours at a time (when able to sit up)
baby “forced” into high chair(that is the language used by the mother of the baby)so that mother can do “more important things”
baby was grossly underweight, suffering with constipation too, which has only been addressed once with a doctor. To this day he still has constipation issues left unresolved and often left un medicated
baby is dressed in ill-fitting clothes, often 2-3 sizes too small (despite us buying and sending new clothes for him)
baby was placed in a car seat too small (essentially squashing his head) so they didn’t have to buy another one until this was raised
Baby was given apple and a McDonald chip before he had teeth and choked on these
Baby has been put in a car that is grossly unfit to drive, had black mold in it, has a faulty gearbox etc which is a serious danger

BirthdayRainbow · 15/06/2024 23:21

Untreated torticollis is neglect.

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:26

@sprigatito you’re right that’s what we have been doing, second guessing and trying to give them gentle guidance as new parents. But the evidence feels overwhelming now. Fear of losing him can’t cloud my judgement, and I know it probably has xx

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Gladtobeout · 15/06/2024 23:28

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:13

@FuckTheClubUp i guess I’m asking because I don’t know if it will be acted upon or seen as serious enough. And also Risking them ceasing contact is a very scary concept as then we have zero control/awareness.

SS are so overstretched and underfunded that, on its own, what you've written will have zero impact. But it can start to build a picture. If medical practitioners also raise concerns, then child care setting also raise concerns and eventually school raise concerns...

So it's 100% worth reporting to SS. Just don't expect anything more than a phone call (if that) initially. It'll be a build up of information before any action.

sprigatito · 15/06/2024 23:29

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:26

@sprigatito you’re right that’s what we have been doing, second guessing and trying to give them gentle guidance as new parents. But the evidence feels overwhelming now. Fear of losing him can’t cloud my judgement, and I know it probably has xx

I understand, it's an agonising situation you're in. But you have to do what's right for that little defenceless child. Remember that you aren't causing whatever consequences come to your brother. You're not the abuser. And the most important person here is that baby.

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:29

@PithyLion i am unsure on the MOT but the car is most certainly not currently roadworthy at this time.

I understand the point around subjective opinion. However I do believe leaving his torticollis untreated would be relevant. They admittedly didn’t do the physio and this was a medical instruction.

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mollyfolk · 15/06/2024 23:29

I agree with @PithyLion . Focus on what constitutes neglect. Add the slapping.

That’s so sad. At least he has your Mum. The underweight thing is so worrying because it could impact the rest of his life physically.

PithyLion · 15/06/2024 23:29

BirthdayRainbow · 15/06/2024 23:21

Untreated torticollis is neglect.

That is an opinion though, some people recommend leaving it to right itself in babies - I agree it looks like part of the bigger picture, but just don't want the OP to tie up her complaint with bits and pieces that look like she wants to impose her personal opinions on their parenting, rather than make it a succinct and factual complaint.

PithyLion · 15/06/2024 23:30

well, put the torticollis back in, if you think

Beautifulbythebay · 15/06/2024 23:31

Given your dm hs been heavily involved she could see a solicitor about getting proper access. And yes report to ss.

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:32

@PithyLion its a very valid point and I appreciate your guidance. I totally agree it’s important to stick to what legally constitutes neglect

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BirthdayRainbow · 15/06/2024 23:38

PithyLion · 15/06/2024 23:29

That is an opinion though, some people recommend leaving it to right itself in babies - I agree it looks like part of the bigger picture, but just don't want the OP to tie up her complaint with bits and pieces that look like she wants to impose her personal opinions on their parenting, rather than make it a succinct and factual complaint.

It doesn't always right itself and leads to plagiocephaly

nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:46

@BirthdayRainbow exactly and he has been diagnosed with plagiocephaly. I believe exacerbated by the time spent on his back too but I understand I can’t prove this

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CadyEastman · 15/06/2024 23:52

I'd call the NSPCC and talk through all of this with them.

nora91 · 16/06/2024 00:03

@CadyEastman thank you, I did try them today but due to limited resource they don’t open over the weekend. I will try them again on Monday and hopefully get some advice x

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WinterMorn · 16/06/2024 00:10

Why don’t you call your local Children’s Services emergency/duty line? This really shouldn’t wait another day. What you have listed is very worrying and I can’t believe it’s gone on for as long as it has to be honest with you.

nora91 · 16/06/2024 00:48

@WinterMorn thank you, i will have a look at that tomorrow. As others have said, we have been unsure what would legally constitute neglect/is it serious enough for them to investigate /would it be deemed subjective opinion. In isolation, we feared it would be dismissed however it now feels like we have more of a case (and even one comment has said we still don’t). It’s extremely distressing

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ageratum1 · 16/06/2024 01:00

None of the things you list are ideal, but I am not sure most or any would meet the threshold for abuse/neglect.

WinterMorn · 16/06/2024 01:02

nora91 · 16/06/2024 00:48

@WinterMorn thank you, i will have a look at that tomorrow. As others have said, we have been unsure what would legally constitute neglect/is it serious enough for them to investigate /would it be deemed subjective opinion. In isolation, we feared it would be dismissed however it now feels like we have more of a case (and even one comment has said we still don’t). It’s extremely distressing

I am sure it is very distressing, but that’s exactly what these services are there for - to determine what constitutes neglect or abuse. Nobody is expecting you to do that. That said, there is SO much on your list, for example the child having untreated medical problems and being ”grossly underweight” that it’s hard to accept that no action was taken sooner, and that’s without even considering the physical abuse.

IVFlife · 16/06/2024 01:03

I can't beleive that there is concern that hitting a baby is England doesn't count as abuse. In my country it absolutely does. That's wild to me.