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Neglect/Smacking - Advice please!

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nora91 · 15/06/2024 23:00

I am writing re my 17 month old nephew - the child of my brother and his girlfriend.
Since he has been born, there has been repeated concerns of neglect and general lack of interest in my nephews safety and well-being.

As they have a start up business (which they prioritise), my mum is heavily involved in the care of my nephew and looks after him Friday-Sunday (10am-11pm), and often additional days too. This has been the case since he was around 6 weeks old.

Concerns were raised very early on, and there continue to be new issues. Such as:-
baby was diagnosed with torticollis, they were told to do physio exercises at home and did not do this
baby was repeatedly left on his back in the pram before he was able to sit up, leaving him with a noticeably flat head on one side which is still apparent now
baby was only bathed once a week
baby was left with untreated thrush in his mouth for 3 weeks
baby was left with untreated ringworm
baby was left to feed himself at an incredibly early age (possibly 4-5 months) bottle placed in mouth and propped up with no control
baby was confined to pram for hours at a time (when able to sit up)
baby “forced” into high chair(that is the language used by the mother of the baby)so that mother can do “more important things”
baby was grossly underweight, suffering with constipation too, which has only been addressed once with a doctor. To this day he still has constipation issues left unresolved and often left un medicated
baby is dressed in ill-fitting clothes, often 2-3 sizes too small (despite us buying and sending new clothes for him)
baby was placed in a car seat too small (essentially squashing his head) so they didn’t have to buy another one until this was raised
Baby was given apple and a McDonald chip before he had teeth and choked on these
Baby has been put in a car that is grossly unfit to drive, had black mold in it, has a faulty gearbox etc which is a serious danger

We have attempted to raise some of these problems but have always been shot down. They are very cold , aggressive and self righteous people I can’t stress this enough. My brother can be extremely volatile and for the sake of the baby and maintaining contact we have tried to be patient. However, this week, my mum witnessed baby’s mother smack him extremely hard on his bare bottom and threaten him several times with violence “shut up or I’ll slap you”. Baby had done nothing wrong other than wanting to play with something she didn’t want him to. The smack looked like a very natural reaction and she has shown no remorse when confronted by my mum. She said my brother is also smacking baby, which he denies. My brother is defending her actions and said we need to show her respect?! There’s been no assurances from either this won’t happen again, she simply said “I never hurt him”

it escalated today when my mum and me went to my brothers to speak to him. He threw us out of the house, told us smacking is not an issue to them, and refused to address it. He indirectly threatened us with not seeing the baby.

this is devastating to us, our main concern is that without involvement we cannot ensure he is being cared for properly.

my question is, does this catalogue of issues warrant a report to social services? I am concerned about his well-being, happiness and safety.

I have seen that in england the laws around smacking are sketchy. But surely, as a 17 month old, reasonable punishment could not be deemed as a defence?

my nephew is obsessed with my mum (his nana) and they have a truly beautiful connection and relationship. Stopping her seeing him would not only deprive my nephew but it would ruin her life. My fear is that if we report them and they get off Scott free so will have more ammunition to cease contact

OP posts:
nora91 · 16/06/2024 07:51

@IVFlife in England it is unlawful except where it is deemed “reasonable punishment”. And this blurs the lines considerably.

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Shiningout · 16/06/2024 08:08

Smacking a BABY hard is absolutely abuse, and of course all the other issues. Who the hell smacks a 17 month old? And to do that Infront of people I can guarantee it's worse when people aren't around. That poor baby

Shiningout · 16/06/2024 08:09

ageratum1 · 16/06/2024 01:00

None of the things you list are ideal, but I am not sure most or any would meet the threshold for abuse/neglect.

You don't think hitting a baby is abuse?

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 16/06/2024 08:14

Yes this all warrants reporting to social services.

beckybarefoot · 16/06/2024 08:16

So you can write and list an extensive history of events but can't write an email to SS!

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 16/06/2024 08:16

ageratum1 · 16/06/2024 01:00

None of the things you list are ideal, but I am not sure most or any would meet the threshold for abuse/neglect.

Collectively they meet the threshold.

OP it's important you give the full list of concerns when reporting.

SackofSweets · 16/06/2024 08:17

OP I’m so sorry for this, must be so worrying. They are so tiny at 17m I can’t comprehend how smacking them would be acceptable in any circumstance. Sounds incredibly distressing.

i don’t agree with leaving bits out. Tell them everything you think is relevant and let them decide.

Sunshineclouds11 · 16/06/2024 08:19

Sorry your family is going through this.

You 100% need to report, don't hold any details back.

DracoDormiensNumquamTittilandum · 16/06/2024 08:41

Gladtobeout · 15/06/2024 23:28

SS are so overstretched and underfunded that, on its own, what you've written will have zero impact. But it can start to build a picture. If medical practitioners also raise concerns, then child care setting also raise concerns and eventually school raise concerns...

So it's 100% worth reporting to SS. Just don't expect anything more than a phone call (if that) initially. It'll be a build up of information before any action.

I'm a social work manager. A report of a parent hitting their 17 month old on a bare bottom absolutely would warrant a response. Any report of physical violence against a toddler is going to get a response. We may be over stretched but that doesn't mean we ignore reports of clear child abuse!

Kelly51 · 16/06/2024 09:29

He most definetely meets the threshold, also failure to thrive is neglect which this poor wee boy clearly is not doing. What a miserable life for him.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 16/06/2024 09:34

Get on to SS asap. Poor boy :(

nora91 · 16/06/2024 09:39

@beckybarefoot at what point did I say I can’t write an email to SS or contact them? I pray you are never in this situation.

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beckybarefoot · 16/06/2024 10:06

nora91 · 16/06/2024 09:39

@beckybarefoot at what point did I say I can’t write an email to SS or contact them? I pray you are never in this situation.

Your thread is literally asking if the list of events warrants a social services referral?

If you, yourself have to ask after such a list then I despair...

Why do people on MN always add that by line... I pray you are never in that situation ... how do you know I've never been In that situation ?

Ofcourse you should report to social services but no you have to come online and ask

BirthdayRainbow · 16/06/2024 13:20

We have it so drummed into us that calling the emergency services is a big deal and calling social services can be a risk as they make a lot of mistakes, that it is no wonder that people need advice and reassurance that calling them is the right thing to do.

rinseandrepeat1 · 16/06/2024 13:31

Agree with a lot of the other comments on here.

If your brother knows it's you who spoke to SS perhaps you could keep your mum out of it so that if they lash out they direct it to you (I know this will be horrible) but it would still allow the baby to keep staying with your mum and having 3 safe days a week?

So sad to hear of the things they have done to him. He's a baby ffs how could they smack him.

Gladtobeout · 16/06/2024 15:11

DracoDormiensNumquamTittilandum · 16/06/2024 08:41

I'm a social work manager. A report of a parent hitting their 17 month old on a bare bottom absolutely would warrant a response. Any report of physical violence against a toddler is going to get a response. We may be over stretched but that doesn't mean we ignore reports of clear child abuse!

Some areas are obviously more stretched than others, but yes reports of clear child abuse are ignored in my area. No in person contact from SS unless risk of life.

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