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12 year old wants to go live with his dad!

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ForMerryTiger · 13/05/2024 15:54

Hi sorry for the long post but I’m just heartbroken today and need some advice really on what the right thing to do is so please bare with….

i have 3 children, 15,13 & 12. Not all the same dads. My youngests dad was abusive to me and we separated when he was 3. He saw him in a contact centre for a few years and then it went to him having him every other weekend. His dad has been in a new relationship for many years now with 2 more children. We do not speak and contact has always gone through my sons Nan (I drop him off there on a Friday and she drops him back to me on a Sunday so I don’t have to see his dad).
my 12 YO is in the process of being diognosed with possible adhd / autism and having an ehcp at school etc as he is also massively school avoidant and barely goes to school (if I try and make him he demolishes the house and kicks and swears). His behaviour since he was 6/7 has been incredibly hard work, on the daily if you say no to something he will trash the house, call me every name under the sun, kick and hit me and it is exhausting to the point I have had multiple breakdowns because I find it incredibly hard to cope with this day in day out on my own with no other support. He is the only one out of my 3 children who sees his dad. Just to add he has also had multiple therapy sessions to go back over any trauma and to help with anger issues etc a lot of work has been put in to help him and I just feel I get nowhere.

anyway that’s an incredibly brief picture of how life is everyday but this weekend just gone he came back from his dads and before he had left I had taken away his phone for a week (but gave in to him having it back whilst at his dads but said I would need it back when he got home) when he got home I asked for the phone and all hell broke loose yet again. Screaming, throwing things down the stairs and around the house, kicking my daughter and calling us all every name under the sun. He then told me he wanted to live with his dad. I was at breaking point and in the kitchen crying because it’s got to the point recently of not feeling I can cope anymore having to deal with this behaviour day in and day out, it’s wearing me down so much. So I said to him fine I’ll message your dad and ask him if you can go there (purely thinking it was an empty threat because no way did I expect his dad’s response). His dad replied and said yes that’s fine he can come here, we will move his school and sort it all out. So within 2 hours of him being home I had taken him back over to his nans and his dad then came and collected him. By 10pm my son had messaged to say they were going out today to buy bunk beds. I cried myself to sleep last night and I can’t even think straight today because however much it got to breaking point with not knowing how I was going to cope anymore, being a single mum to very challenging children I did not imagine in the space of less than 24 hours my son would be at his dads buying bunk beds. I messaged his dad asking how he was and he just messaged back saying I need to get benefits changed over for my son so that they get them and that they would sort out moving his school. I haven’t spoken to his dad on the phone for years and years as we have never had too, but I said we need to speak to discuss everything, this is a massive thing and things need to be spoken about. And he said we don’t need to call, anything can be said over messages and that they’ll sort everything out.

part of me feels like maybe he just needs his dad now, I have tried and tried to do my best and maybe this is what he needs right now? But I also feel like part of my heart has been ripped out, thinking I will now only see my son every other weekend and half the holidays. I almost thought this would be an empty threat but less than 24 hours in and there sorting out bunk beds and schools!?

my son has always said his daddy is nice to him and so is his new girlfriend so I don’t have any fear he will come to harm. I just feel like this is a huge amount to process and I don’t know how I should be thinking or feeling right now?

sorry it’s so long but I just wanted some advice I suppose? Thankyou for reading

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Itsalwayssomething · 13/05/2024 15:59

did all this happen last night? Anything been said today? It seems very fast. I would try to slow everything down. A trial for a month and then change of schools etc if ds and his dad still want to go ahead. Sorry you feel so sad but it might be for the best and you can leave the door open for your ds to return.

Lovemusic82 · 13/05/2024 16:01

We had this with my step son years ago (he’s now grown up and I’m no longer with dh), he was also being accessed for ADHD and things were not going great at home, mostly because of him not getting his own way or being punished for bad behaviour, so he started saying he wanted to live with us. Obviously when he came to us at the weekends things were fun because we wanted them to have fun and go home happy, he didn’t realise that living with us would be a bit different and he would have to follow some rules, do choirs and put up with his half siblings. He lasted 2 days and then asked to go home.

Chances are he thinks life will be easier at his dads, that he might get away with more? That’s probably not reality? If he wants to go and his dad agrees to it then maybe it would be good to have a break? Does he live close enough that he wouldn’t need to switch schools? Maybe it’s something you could try out during half term?

Lampzade · 13/05/2024 16:05

You need a break Op, let him go to his dad’s house
The likelihood is that he won’t last long as he will have to abide by the rules in his dad’s house. No more Disney dad

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Eggplant44 · 13/05/2024 16:06

Send him to live with his father. You don't need this abuse from your son.

AnneLovesGilbert · 13/05/2024 16:08

It’s all extremely fast and he may change his mind but for now look at the positives which is a much needed break for you and your other children. His dad may change his mind too if the outbursts continue and it’s his other kids in the firing line.

Theunamedcat · 13/05/2024 16:09

You can't change schools in the middle of an EHCP that will set it right back give it a trial for a month because as soon as he starts acting up for his dad I can see his dad on the phone sending him back

spuddy4 · 13/05/2024 16:09

Lampzade · 13/05/2024 16:05

You need a break Op, let him go to his dad’s house
The likelihood is that he won’t last long as he will have to abide by the rules in his dad’s house. No more Disney dad

I agree with this. His behaviour sounds very tough for all involved and you have other children that may welcome a break from it all. Don't be hard on yourself OP, you sound completely exhausted and drained.

FatfunandADHD · 13/05/2024 16:09

I can completely understand why you feel heart broken especially with the speed everything happened.

I agree with @Lovemusic82 that he believes the grass will be greener at his dads, and I think its likely that it will not be once the novelty wears off and he has to fit into their family life.

On the other hand if for some reason his behaviour improves at his dads and the situation remains a longer term one, whilst it will not be easy for you, you must remember that as a parent we always want the best for our children.

It sounds like you have been juggling like super woman for a long time now, try and take this time to strengthen your connection with your other children and also be kind to yourself.

In terms of communication with your son, I would keep things happy and light, share his excitement about his new room / bunk beds. You want to leave the door wide open for him to come back whenever he wants to and remain a part of his life.

MILTOBE · 13/05/2024 16:12

His dad is very concerned about the financial side, isn't he? When his house has been smashed up then he might have some understanding of what you've had to put up with.

Do you think your son behaves well when he's with his dad? What does his Nan have to say about it?

How are your other sons? Do you think they'd benefit from the break, too?

TheShellBeach · 13/05/2024 16:13

He thinks that day-to-day life at his dad's will be the same as his weekends are.

It won't be, and he'll soon ask to come back to your house.

Once his dad, or his stepmum tries to discipline him, and he becomes violent with them, they'll probably ask him to leave, anyway.

I think you need the break for the moment, and wait to see how this plays out. Your other children will probably enjoy the peace, while their brother is gone.

Don't do anything with schools or benefits yet. Give it a fortnight - I bet your son will be back with you long before it's up.

FartingAgainstThunder · 13/05/2024 16:14

This has happened to us recently.
I know I should be bereft and spent a few days very upset but I think I was more acting the way society believes a mother 'should' act when something like this happens.
In reality, I'm relieved and happy to be out of the constant state of stress that DS brought to our home.
It will hopefully turn out to be the best thing for everyone involved and I sincerely hope that it is for you and your family too.
Be kind to yourself and know you did your absolute best.

MILTOBE · 13/05/2024 16:14

I would think of it as him being on holiday with his dad. Be cheerful when you speak to your son. It sounds as though both he and his dad would like you to be miserable - both seem to want to punish you. Just send cheerful messages back and let things calm down in your own home.

TheShellBeach · 13/05/2024 16:16

It's interesting (and suspicious) that his dad has already mentioned benefits.

Does your son get DLA?

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 13/05/2024 16:17

Tell his dad that he can change schools after a months trial living with him full time. No point changing schools if he is just going to yo-yo back in a month.

Otherwise it actually sounds the best scenario for your two other kids - your poor DD got kicked by her own brother I’m sure she is happy to be away from the violence.

S00tyandSweep · 13/05/2024 16:20

Whilst I'm sure you're in emotional pain at the moment, your son living with his father might not be a bad thing for him.

Your DS is violent towards you and your DDs, having some time with him living elsewhere may be a relief to your other children; no one should feel unsafe in their own home.

What I suspect will happen is that your DS will realise that his dad wants him to go to school in the week and will also expect him to manage his mood swings, it won't all be weekend fun anymore and there's a good chance that DS will want to come home.

A friend of mine's son did similar; it lasted a couple of months before both the stepmum and the child got fed up of the constant arguing (between parent & child, and the adult couple) and the son asked to come home; he's been good as good ever since.

AegonT · 13/05/2024 16:21

It sounds like the best thing for now. You and your other kids sound like you need a break from his behaviour and as his dad is happy to take a turn dealing with it so that's great. Stay in touchand try to enjoy your every other weekends with him. There's every chance he'll want to move back in the future as his dad will need to discipline him more now he lives there and his behaviour will affect the girlfriend and the other kids there so they'll have to manage it.

SonicTheHodgeheg · 13/05/2024 16:23

I think that this could be a good thing - especially for the other 2 kids who deserve the break.

I suspect that his dad will send him back when ds is fighting with his half siblings and refusing to go to school. Ds is probably expecting weekend dad and is in for a shock when he will be expected to attend school etc

username098765 · 13/05/2024 16:24

My dd did the same when she was 14. It was awful but I saw her a couple times a week and spoke with her on the phone most days. After a few months she realised her dad was doing it to get at me and her step mum wasn't as perfect as she made out to be. She ended up being a live in babysitter/cleaner/cook and treated like rubbish.

Tbh it sounds like you could do with a break. Maybe see how things go for a month before changing schools etc. Chances are he will realise the grass isn't greener and come back. Maybe use this time to recharge.

FartSock5000 · 13/05/2024 16:24

@ForMerryTiger give it a 1 month trial. No changing schools or benefits until the 1 month is over.

If his Dad is still keen on him living there then let him go.

It may just be he needs a different approach as his behaviour is escalating and you have 2 other kids to consider as well as your own well being.

Let Dad take to reins for a bit. You've done your best. Sometimes we need to let them fail so they learn.

Chances are, a dose of reality will be too much for your arsehole ex and he will send your boy packing.

Good luck 💖

Bumblebeeinatree · 13/05/2024 16:29

Let him go, it's definitely his Dad's turn to see if he can sort him out. I wouldn't take him back too soon either, if they want to send him back after a couple of days say he needs longer to settle in and get used to the new arrangements.

You need a break, and if he does get on better staying with his Dad all the better, you can have the 'fun' weekends and they can have the daily grind.

converseandjeans · 13/05/2024 16:29

It sounds like the change in behaviour coincides with when he started seeing his Dad again (at contact centre).

Honestly though he sounds like hard work. It might be best for you & the other 2 children to have a break. Even if he decides to come back.

Maybe a change of school will suit him better too. It sounds like he's not really going in much anyway.

Presumably if he is with Dad you will sign over child benefit & lose any others you get for him. Maybe Dad and girlfriend won't get any? But at least you aren't going to have to feed & clothe him?

purpleme12 · 13/05/2024 16:31

It's really hard when you're apart and they react badly to rules and consequences cos they just go to the other parent

ForMerryTiger · 13/05/2024 16:45

Thankyou for all the replies so far I’m just reading through them all.
just to cover a few things that have been asked, his dad lives an hour and a half away so unfortunately there is no way of him staying in his current school (which he only started at 1 1/2 weeks ago as I thought moving schools would help the school avoidance but it hasn’t, he’s instantly refusing at this new school and running off in the car park on the 2 days I was able to persuade him to go in).

In regards to him asking for benefits to be transferred, I also think it’s weird but he doesn’t get dla (Altho I’m sure he could but I have never applied) so he wouldn’t be gaining much bar child benefit.

I think if I take my emotions out of this I feel so exhausted in my efforts that maybe this is what he needs but I just feel utterly heartbroken where it’s happened so fast and it’s just a lot to process.

I think my other children will greatly benefit from it because my daughter will be hid in her room crying when he’s shouting and throwing things.

his Nan thinks it’ll do him good staying with his dad for a bit and maybe he needs that male influence that he hasn’t had consistently with me.

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ForMerryTiger · 13/05/2024 16:48

Itsalwayssomething · 13/05/2024 15:59

did all this happen last night? Anything been said today? It seems very fast. I would try to slow everything down. A trial for a month and then change of schools etc if ds and his dad still want to go ahead. Sorry you feel so sad but it might be for the best and you can leave the door open for your ds to return.

I think that’s the things it’s all been so quick when I thought all this was going to be was me calling his bluff asking his dad to have him when I would of bet money his dad was going to say no to having him not “yes bring him over”. But his dad now is buying bunk beds and sorting schools etc

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FartingAgainstThunder · 13/05/2024 16:49

ForMerryTiger · 13/05/2024 16:45

Thankyou for all the replies so far I’m just reading through them all.
just to cover a few things that have been asked, his dad lives an hour and a half away so unfortunately there is no way of him staying in his current school (which he only started at 1 1/2 weeks ago as I thought moving schools would help the school avoidance but it hasn’t, he’s instantly refusing at this new school and running off in the car park on the 2 days I was able to persuade him to go in).

In regards to him asking for benefits to be transferred, I also think it’s weird but he doesn’t get dla (Altho I’m sure he could but I have never applied) so he wouldn’t be gaining much bar child benefit.

I think if I take my emotions out of this I feel so exhausted in my efforts that maybe this is what he needs but I just feel utterly heartbroken where it’s happened so fast and it’s just a lot to process.

I think my other children will greatly benefit from it because my daughter will be hid in her room crying when he’s shouting and throwing things.

his Nan thinks it’ll do him good staying with his dad for a bit and maybe he needs that male influence that he hasn’t had consistently with me.

Have no guilt put upon you for having 'no male influence'
(I'm hoping she meant this kindly and was just trying to put a positive slant on it)

My DS had my wonderful husband from when he was 6 years old and despite our best efforts things still did not turn out well.