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2 of a HUNDRED WAYS CAR REMOTE KEYS CAN KILL YOUR FAMILY

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EYESWIDE · 08/02/2023 16:14

2 of a HUNDRED WAYS CAR REMOTE KEYS CAN KILL YOUR FAMILY

A remote key (keyless car) stranded for 24 hours a savvy, experienced driver, a lone female member of my family, 100 miles from home, putting her in danger.

The car user’s manual didn’t tell her that if the key falls out of the car while the engine is running, you can still drive unlimited miles; then the car can’t start once stopped; you are stranded and the car cannot be towed because the steering is locked.

1 - TYPICAL POSSIBLE FATAL EVENT FOR ANY PARENT:
A young father with three children on board stops in a motorway service area and while the children run in to buy sweets, the father leaves the engine running, and steps out of the car to stretch his legs; he pulls a tissue out of his pocket and the tiny remote key falls on the ground, unnoticed.

The children return and pile into the car.

Over their chatter he does not hear or notice a soft tone and message on the dashboard screen behind the steering wheel “key not in vehicle”.

Why should he notice this message when the car is constantly “crying wolf” with pointless messages.

A few minutes later father and children are stuck in a motorway holdup that has lasted for 20 minutes and he carefully creeps his car forward in the holdup that crawls forward a few feet at a time.

All around, drivers are turning off their engines as the holdup is visible far ahead in the distance. To save petrol the father turns off the engine.

No one has told him that without the tiny remote key present in the car, once the engine has been turned off the car cannot be restarted.

The traffic suddenly starts moving but as he tries to restart the car a message flashes up “key not detected”.
The car and steering are now disabled.

Fast vehicles are veering to avoid the family car trapped and stopped in a motorway lane.
A second later a six-tonne goods vehicle driver, not realising the car is stopped, crashes into the back of the family car; all are killed.

After our deep searches on the net, it looks like the the motor industry has buried this type of danger.
Utube has lots of videos by shocked drivers, testing their cars, driving unlimited miles with the remote key left at home.

2 - FACTUAL DEATHS:
In the USA there are a myriad of news stories about families being killed by remote keys (keyless cars) pumping CO gas into homes from garages:

here is a link to one report in The New York Times:
www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/deadly-convenience-keyless-cars-and-their-carbon-monoxide-toll.html

I hope this message saves lives.

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Rummikub · 08/02/2023 16:22

See im not a fan of remote keys.

I prefer to put my key in the ignition then I know exactly where it is. And it would prevent those things you listed above happening.

Didn't the police also suggest drivers use a steering wheel
lock to prevent thieves from cloning remote car keys and driving off. The “convenience” of remote keys far outweighed by having to have a massive steering wheel lock!

newwings · 08/02/2023 16:22

I don't know if it can still happen but a while a go new cars would automatically lock after you closed the doors and I left my keys inside luckily, I had a spare in the house. Now I'm scared to ever close the door to quickly nip to the boot or anything.

bobbytorq · 08/02/2023 16:57

My car goes mad if the key isn't in it. There's no way I could ignore the noise and red flashes on the dashboard.

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Nocutenamesleft · 08/02/2023 17:18

Wait. So why do you think a car would work without the key?!?!

I mean come on! If that was the case anyone could steal the car at any time

My car beeps incessantly without the key being in the car. So it's not all cars that do it silently. In fact apart from this story I don't know of any.

MaverickGooseGoose · 08/02/2023 17:22

newwings · 08/02/2023 16:22

I don't know if it can still happen but a while a go new cars would automatically lock after you closed the doors and I left my keys inside luckily, I had a spare in the house. Now I'm scared to ever close the door to quickly nip to the boot or anything.

The new version of locking your keys in the car with the buttons done, easily remedied with a wire coat hangar!

eurochick · 08/02/2023 17:24

My car won't move off without the key inside it. There's been a couple of occasions where my husband has jumped out leaving me to park taking the car with him. The car won't move leaving me yelling that I'm stranded in the middle of the car park!

SunnySnowdrop · 08/02/2023 17:28

What are the other 98 ways? Grin

SusanPerbCallMeSue · 08/02/2023 17:31

SunnySnowdrop · 08/02/2023 17:28

What are the other 98 ways? Grin

This! I must know. Right now!

stealthninjamum · 08/02/2023 17:31

My car would move without the key in it so I put the key in a compartment next to the steering wheel while I’m driving. I really don’t think it’s a problem.

Also I think the New York Times article is out of date. If I attempt to leave the car with the engine turned on it shouts at me and won’t let me lock it.

Op are you always this dramatic?

RiktheButler · 08/02/2023 17:32

My truck screams so loudly if the key leaves the vehicle while the engine is running that it is audible outside. There is also a warning light, and responsible drivers don't ignore warning lights. Keyless cars won't lock if the key is inside the car, won't even operate a boot closer...

Rummikub · 08/02/2023 17:34

How secure are they from being cloned?

BillyMack · 08/02/2023 17:37

Nocutenamesleft · 08/02/2023 17:18

Wait. So why do you think a car would work without the key?!?!

I mean come on! If that was the case anyone could steal the car at any time

My car beeps incessantly without the key being in the car. So it's not all cars that do it silently. In fact apart from this story I don't know of any.

Unfortunately if you make something idiot-proof, someone will just make a better idiot.

Hadalifeonce · 08/02/2023 17:40

DH dropped me at the shop he went to fill up with petrol, the 'key' was in my bag. He filled the car, then couldn't move from the petrol pump. Luckily the shop is less than a mile away, so I had to leg it as people were, quite rightly getting angry that he was blocking one of the pumps.

Aposterhasnoname · 08/02/2023 17:43

Well a sensible person, (like me) keeps the key in a pouch that blocks the signal at all times. This has three benefits. 1. Thieves can’t use a relay box outside your house to boost the signal and open your car. 2. The ludicrous garage scenario posted above can’t happen, and 3. You have to physically take the key pit of the pouch in the car therefore can’t accidentally leave it behind.

chatcbt · 08/02/2023 17:49

I put my key in a compartment near the steering wheel every time I get into the car.

My car also yells at me if it can't detect the key.

RosaDeInvierno · 08/02/2023 17:51

wow - scaremongering at its finest

2 of a HUNDRED WAYS CAR REMOTE KEYS CAN KILL YOUR FAMILY

give us the other 98 ways a remote car key can kill you then!

JarByTheDoor · 08/02/2023 17:58

SunnySnowdrop · 08/02/2023 17:28

What are the other 98 ways? Grin

  • Stand on keyfob in bare feet, plastic cracks, stabs foot, bacteria enter bloodstream, die of septicaemia
  • Child inhales fob, can't breathe, dies of choking
  • Child swallows fob, through a 1 in a million chance the keyfob explodes in stomach, stomach contents and blood fill body cavity, child dies of either hypovolemic shock or peritonitis
  • Car gains sentience, revolts against human enslavement, goes on keyless killing spree

…that's all I can think of. Anyone else?

TheNine · 08/02/2023 17:59

What a load of absolute shite.

chatcbt · 08/02/2023 17:59

Child swallows fob battery acid kills child?

Catoneverychair · 08/02/2023 18:00

It is terrifying, really. My husband's done this half a year ago, drove off from his parents house, stopped at a petrol station to get a snack. I had to drive 120 miles to get there with the spare key. It could have been so much worse.

My current frigging car sometimes stalls and doesn't restarts. Impossible to detect and it happened twice now at roundabouts I use it for work but refuse motorways with the children in the car.

I hate that everything is electric, I want old fashioned wind-down windows, not something that can trap me through all doors.

lanbro · 08/02/2023 18:01

Wow, so dramatic, I've had numerous keyless cars, since 2006 and I'm still alive...I remember taking a car in once at our car wash and the guy wouldn't give me the key, insisting it was keyless. I eventually convinced him I needed the key but I think he's a minority, surely 99.999% of people realise you need the key inside the car! My current car is pretty insistent, if I turn the engine on then go to clear the windows it really shouts to let me know the key isn't in.

I don't think your motorway example is any more likely to happen than any car just not restarting for any other reason. I have my fob on a key ring with house keys, as I expect many do, so unlikely to drop without noticing

MajorCarolDanvers · 08/02/2023 18:03

Car gains sentience, revolts against human enslavement, goes on keyless killing spree

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Rummikub · 08/02/2023 18:12

Aposterhasnoname · 08/02/2023 17:43

Well a sensible person, (like me) keeps the key in a pouch that blocks the signal at all times. This has three benefits. 1. Thieves can’t use a relay box outside your house to boost the signal and open your car. 2. The ludicrous garage scenario posted above can’t happen, and 3. You have to physically take the key pit of the pouch in the car therefore can’t accidentally leave it behind.

So the car doesn’t detect the key when it’s in the pouch?

Hoppinggreen · 08/02/2023 18:14

EYESWIDE · 08/02/2023 16:14

2 of a HUNDRED WAYS CAR REMOTE KEYS CAN KILL YOUR FAMILY

A remote key (keyless car) stranded for 24 hours a savvy, experienced driver, a lone female member of my family, 100 miles from home, putting her in danger.

The car user’s manual didn’t tell her that if the key falls out of the car while the engine is running, you can still drive unlimited miles; then the car can’t start once stopped; you are stranded and the car cannot be towed because the steering is locked.

1 - TYPICAL POSSIBLE FATAL EVENT FOR ANY PARENT:
A young father with three children on board stops in a motorway service area and while the children run in to buy sweets, the father leaves the engine running, and steps out of the car to stretch his legs; he pulls a tissue out of his pocket and the tiny remote key falls on the ground, unnoticed.

The children return and pile into the car.

Over their chatter he does not hear or notice a soft tone and message on the dashboard screen behind the steering wheel “key not in vehicle”.

Why should he notice this message when the car is constantly “crying wolf” with pointless messages.

A few minutes later father and children are stuck in a motorway holdup that has lasted for 20 minutes and he carefully creeps his car forward in the holdup that crawls forward a few feet at a time.

All around, drivers are turning off their engines as the holdup is visible far ahead in the distance. To save petrol the father turns off the engine.

No one has told him that without the tiny remote key present in the car, once the engine has been turned off the car cannot be restarted.

The traffic suddenly starts moving but as he tries to restart the car a message flashes up “key not detected”.
The car and steering are now disabled.

Fast vehicles are veering to avoid the family car trapped and stopped in a motorway lane.
A second later a six-tonne goods vehicle driver, not realising the car is stopped, crashes into the back of the family car; all are killed.

After our deep searches on the net, it looks like the the motor industry has buried this type of danger.
Utube has lots of videos by shocked drivers, testing their cars, driving unlimited miles with the remote key left at home.

2 - FACTUAL DEATHS:
In the USA there are a myriad of news stories about families being killed by remote keys (keyless cars) pumping CO gas into homes from garages:

here is a link to one report in The New York Times:
www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/deadly-convenience-keyless-cars-and-their-carbon-monoxide-toll.html

I hope this message saves lives.

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Bellalalala · 08/02/2023 18:14

No one warned them the car wouldn’t start if the key wasn’t in it? Isn’t it pretty obvious?

I have had keyless cars for years and never accidentally drop out of the car. Nor are the remote keys ‘tiny’ that I wouldn’t notice it falling out of my pocket.

or leave my car running while I stretch my legs, drop my key, get back in and not notice the key was missing and ignore the warning from the car.

If someone stabbed someone with a key, would you consider it bad that people weren’t earned they could be stabbed by a key? Or blame the the fact that keys existed?

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