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Is this dress offensive?

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freezingpompoms · 20/01/2023 14:58

This dress was bought in America 20 years ago. It's a Disney Small World dress that depicts differing nationalities. It's age 2-3.

Someone said they didn't think it's very PC so I just want to check. I'm happy to be told either way.

Is this dress offensive?
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MrsTerryPratchett · 20/01/2023 16:27

glitteryDiscoParty · 20/01/2023 15:43

I don’t think Disney would sell it today!

As an eastern Asian I would find the eyes on the Asian girl offensive.

This. Asian people have eyes FFS. Not lines.

JesusChristThatsTastyQuorn · 20/01/2023 16:27

PrunellaDeVil · 20/01/2023 16:18

@mumsnet this whole thread is a great example of the racism and bias that gets shown on Mumsnet and is often unchallenged.

I think it HAS been challenged though. I couldn't see what was offensive initially but it's been helpful to hear from people that it offends.

SnackyOnassis · 20/01/2023 16:28

Jesus @happyinherts , when you've already had a comment removed do you not think it might be time to reflect on your views rather than pushing a racist viewpoint?
As for 'how they are depicted' - it's a child's dress, with pictures of children on it. If this is a child dressed as a geisha, do you not see that as being quite problematic?

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EmilyGilmoresSass · 20/01/2023 16:29

If I'm honest, I wouldn't have noticed if it hadn't been pointed out. When wearing it, I wouldn't be looking that closely at the features on a child's clothes ffs.

freezingpompoms · 20/01/2023 16:29

SalviaOfficinalis · 20/01/2023 15:53

As an eastern Asian I would find the eyes on the Asian girl offensive.

Hopefully this is sufficient to persuade you that it’s not acceptable OP. Just because others don’t get it, doesn’t mean it’s okay.

Yes this seals the deal really and I'm glad I asked.

I know not everyone would be offended but still I don't want to offend at all in something like this.

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TrainedByCats · 20/01/2023 16:30

happyinherts · 20/01/2023 16:19

.... Not hearing logical arguments. The embroidery third along is that of a Geisha girl. That is how they are depicted. How can anyone find it offensive - it's a dress for a 2 year old. Sad that it attracts so much negativity.

A Geisha in itself is not offensive (although referring to then as a ‘Geisha girl’ is) but it is an adult occupation and inappropriate to depict a very young child as a Geisha to show she is Japanese.

viques · 20/01/2023 16:31

happyinherts · 20/01/2023 16:05

If you're struggling to find a way to explain why it's offensive - clearly it isn't overly so. Like I've said, how do we depict cultural facial characteristics then?

By recognising that there is no such thing as “cultural facial characteristics” , and that every individual on the planet, unless they have an identical twin , has a unique combination of skin colour, eye colour and facial features. To reduce those down to a shorthand of sloping lines for eyes and a face covered in white make up is offensive.

And , incidentally, culturally insensitive since this approximation of geisha make up is inappropriate to represent a child.

happyinherts · 20/01/2023 16:32

@SnackyOnassis I actually have not had any message removed. Mine are there in full, thanks.

Francisca459 · 20/01/2023 16:32

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Ratherubbish · 20/01/2023 16:35

👆are you always so unkind?

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Aren’t like 95% of threads on mumsnet about seeking other people’s opinions? It’s half the point of forums in the first place

SnazzyShambles · 20/01/2023 16:36

Not everything but a lot of things are - if others had to walk in someone's else shoes for a year I think they may feel differently.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/01/2023 16:39

Do you have a mind of your own, or do you always have to check with the "progressive hive" of Mumsnet if something is "offensive" or not? Pathetic.

Progressive hive or in this case people from the actual cultures misrepresented?

Cactusprick · 20/01/2023 16:40

Omg stop, it’s soo cute! And vintage Disney, which makes it even more special. I love it!

freezingpompoms · 20/01/2023 16:42

@Francisca459 hahaha I can live with being called pathetic.

I just wanted to check in with people as I definitely don't have my finger on the pulse.

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Calphurnia88 · 20/01/2023 16:43

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Guessing you're not a fan of AIBU then? Or Mumsnet in general?

dumbstruckdumptruck · 20/01/2023 16:45

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What happened to you to make you so full of bile?

SwishSwishBisch · 20/01/2023 16:46

OP if you’re handy with a needle maybe you could redo the eyes of the 3rd left character? Only if you particularly want to be able to use the dress that is. It’s pretty cute aside from that

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 20/01/2023 16:47

I think the Japanese child looks like a caricature, so might be offensive to someone of that heritage - I say 'might' as I'm not of that heritage, but I'd probably avoid giving it to a child to wear, to be safe.

SquashPenguin · 20/01/2023 16:51

PotatoSmile · 20/01/2023 16:19

Well said.

Exactly this. It’s not for anyone to decide if someone else should be offended or not.

Cheesetoastiesz · 20/01/2023 16:51

I’d not put my child in this, and Disney wouldn’t sell it today.

Although you’re unlikely to get a true sense of this on MN, as there is a big and known race issue on here

freezingpompoms · 20/01/2023 16:52

The question now is 'what do I do with the dress?'

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CandlelightGlow · 20/01/2023 16:52

halfsiesonapotnoodle · 20/01/2023 15:50

Ffs, it's adorable. Horrified that you even have to raise the question. This shit has gone way too far.

It's easy to say it's gone too far when it has nothing to do with you and has no impact on your whatsoever.. 🙄

Echobelly · 20/01/2023 16:52

Yeah, I think it's the eyes on the Asian character that make it a no-no these days.

Stripperyone · 20/01/2023 16:53

I don't think it is. I think It's depicting diversity which is a good thing. However I am aware many people won't see it that way, and for that reason I'd feel uncomfortable with a child in my care wearing it

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