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Explosive 12 yo Daughter

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user1471503652 · 07/08/2022 15:04

Please go easy on me as I'm judging the hell out of myself right now and feel as though I'm not bringing any value to our family life at present. The situation with my daughter is making me wonder if I can take much more. I also have a stressful job in healthcare which is all consuming for me and paired with the family situation it's just unbreable mentally.

My daughter aged 12 (year 7) has always been emotionally explosive since about 4/5 and prone to emotional and angry episodes which can last hours and in this case, over night into this afternoon. Today has just been awful and I'm so devastated our life has come to what it is.

Despite all this she won't engage with any help, I.e
counselling via school, GP or private. I used to be able to deal with the meltdowns relatively calmly but as she's getting older she's getting destructive around the house (bashing doors, throwing dining room chairs, throwing doorstops etc) and I can't contain it anymore as I'm on the brink of a nervous breakdown. She has always suffered with insomnia (challenge getting to sleep, generally anxious about sleep) and this seems to exasperate the situation

To give you a typical rundown of an episode, this is how it has gone last night through to this afternoon. Yesterday she goes to her friends party, has a fantastic time and gets home around 10... seems in a good mood. It's getting near 11 and me and my husband ask her to get her PJs on... she says in a minute, sat on her phone. Repeat this 6 times over the next 20 minutes and still no PJs and I'm feeling very pissed off. Her reaction is leave me alone, you're always angry at me, I'll do it in a minute etc etc. Then she starts getting sarcastic and just plain disrespectful. It escalates, and she ends up screaming how horrible we are, she hates us, bashing doors and punching pillows. We live in a quiet street so I have to go round shutting windows because my neighbours have to hear this a lot. Her little brother is in bed, but she doesn't care and keeps screaming and yelling. All about putting her PJs on! She also regularly says she doesn't care about neighbours hearing her, so she has no embarrassment. I lock her bedroom window so the noise is contained (small window at top still open). We end up leaving her downstairs and by looking at the camera she rolls into bed at 1.30am.

This morning, she wouldn't get up (usual story at weekends) we attempt to have a talk with her but she tells us to leave her alone. Hours roll past, and she knows we have a family lunch today that she really wants to go to but.. Still in bed. She's pissed off her window is locked, and doesn't seem to grasp the fact it's to save the neighbours eardrums. But she uses this as a negotiation for getting ready for the lunch, "unlock my window then I will get ready" ...when she realises I'm not going to do it, she goes into full meltdown screaming, yelling, throwing objects, hitting, saying she hates us, storming round the house looking for the window key and slamming every cupboard door in her path. She even throws water over us

Now, I'm sat in my living room with my Sunday best on with no where to go as I've stayed home with her and husband has gone to the lunch with her brother (I said just go as it's his family) She is in no fit state after that rage. I'm pissed off and upset in equal measures. I want to help her, I have read books on strategies and communication with explosive children but this is just getting worse. My husband is very supportive, and we are definitely a team, just equally as exhausted with it all.

She's lovely 95% of the time but I cannot deal with these mood swings. I'm going to call the GP tomorrow but I have no clue what they can actually do. She does well at school, has nice friends and is bright. She also has a steady home life and small, close family. These episodes happen at least once a week and often leaves me in tears and often regretful if I've yelled back.

She has caused a lot damage in the house recently and last time threw a couple of dining chairs onto the garden lawn, and time before that pulled her wardrobe door off and made out as though it fell on her randomly? She's really going to break something soon or hurt herself or one of us. She's currently in another room not talking to me but I don't want to talk to her right now. It's so intense when she's screaming at me non stop for hours on end, I'm scared what she is going to do next and I really want to help her. I am considering taking some time off work due to stress. My weekend has been far from relaxing and I have to go back to work tomorrow which makes me want to cry to be honest.

Thanks for reading. Any advice very welcome.

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Dalaidramailama · 07/08/2022 17:00

@Canongirl

People with BPD are NOT toxic. No one is born disordered. Most people who have that diagnosis have severe trauma starting in their childhood, but I do agree the violent outbursts could be suggestive of an emerging PD in which case family therapy would be the way forward.

@Mardyface

Yes completely get where you’re coming from.

badbaduncle · 07/08/2022 18:08

I'd suggest reading Warwick Dyers book Mercury's child
It's very 'un Mumsnet' but it works and provides parents with tools to manage behaviour. I'd also research asd and adhd

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/08/2022 18:30

Sounds like my dd.

Shes ASD. But would have these meltdowns and tantrums. I was desperate and just didn’t know what was wrong until she was diagnosed.

Sanctions never made any difference for us. But rewards made a huge difference. She had sleep, anxiety and sleep anxiety. And still does.

But at 16 she’s much calmer and easier to deal with

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user1471503652 · 07/08/2022 19:18

Thanks for everyone's comments and suggestions.

OK so we're in the thick of meltdown no 3 in 24hours. Because I unlocked her window as she said it was hot in her room. Apparently she wanted to do it. Now she's screaming at the top of her lungs and jumping up and down in her bedroom making the house shake. Dog is hiding in the corner of the living room.

It's just not how I thought family life would be and it's like I'm watching someone else's life

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bumpycrop · 07/08/2022 19:28

Breathe OP, we'll help you ride this one out.
You can't do anything in the middle of the storm except try and keep calm yourself. Can you go out in the garden or pour some wine?

bumpycrop · 07/08/2022 19:31

Not helpful right now but the school holidays is often harder for kids because of the lack of structure. She's obviously struggling but that has such a huge impact on the rest of the family.

Canongirl · 07/08/2022 19:36

No they are not born that way but can tell you that all their relationships are Ricky and unstable and my daughter has no friends because if her violent and angry outbursts. I love her dearly but if you feel they are not toxic, spend a week with her, spend just a day with her. She has hurt her grown daughter and I, her mother, more than words can say. She has refused to speak to us for over a year as every little thing you say is taken as a sleight. Emotional dysregulation at its finest. I speak from MY OWN experience and she has cut off all caring relatives and friends cannot put up with her unpredictability with her moods and actions

Dalaidramailama · 07/08/2022 19:40

@Canongirl

What do you think contributed to her developing a personality disorder? I don’t doubt that they can be incredibly difficult but most infact probably all in the grand scheme of things have experienced abuse or major trauma in their childhood.

Doingmybest12 · 07/08/2022 19:56

It sounds really tough. I wonder if you could move on a bit with your parenting style, she isn't a little one any more. She knows she needs to get dressed to go to a lunch, I would say what time we are leaving and remind her to be ready 30 mins before, not keep asking. Also I found saying thanks for doing what ever and leaving the room worked surprisingly. If she wasn't dressed she stay at home with little comment . Just have to hope natural consequences work for next time . Take out all the repeating and asking lots of times and emotion. Re the window in another senario ask is she doing it or you? You can get in battles but you have to be prepared to ride it out until they give in and sometimes they just don't. She will mature in time but it does sound hard. If she gets pocket money can she pay towards repairs/damage? You will get through it.

Doingmybest12 · 07/08/2022 20:12

Sorry is above isn't helpful, just re read your OP.

bumpycrop · 07/08/2022 22:23

How are things OP? Hopefully settled for the night

celestebellman · 07/08/2022 22:34

I agree with other posters that it may be worth considering the possibility of an autism spectrum condition.
Out of interest, is she jumping up and down to make a nuisance of herself or does she do this kind of thing when stressed? Jumping/ bouncing can be a type of repetitive behaviour sometimes seen in children with ASD.

HollowTalk · 07/08/2022 22:40

What would've happened if you'd gone to the lunch as well and just left her at home? She is old enough after all, in theory.

Beachdays44 · 07/08/2022 23:01

I'm really sorry you're going through this.

My nine year old son has become extremely difficult this summer. He has meltdowns that last hours at a time..it's awful for his siblings and us. We try to get him into one room and then I block the door by sitting on a chair. I talk only in a low voice. I've had to accept that the neighbors will hear him...my husband spoke to them and said he is having a lot of behavioural issues. But yes, I close the back door and the windows when he starts.

I've spoken to our GP...not particularly helpful. We had a counselling session last week in which we just went around in circles. He is starting play therapy in September. There are no easy answers sadly.

user1471503652 · 07/08/2022 23:10

She had a full scale third meltdown which imvolved lots of yelling and when i left the room to sit outside in the garden (she wont scream at me in the garden) she locked me outside. She then finally quietened down and was chilled for an hour or two around dinner time but is now refusing to get in pjs again, and is currently sitting on her bed sobbing.

She said she will go to bed when she wants. I don't think this episode is anywhere near over. She needs sleep, looks exhausted. But it's the one thing she is denying at the moment.

Do I just go to bed and leave her to it? I've tried to give her a hug but she turned away.

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GrazingSheep · 07/08/2022 23:14

Would she sleep with you ?

user1471503652 · 07/08/2022 23:22

No, I suggested that but she said no...

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Foronenightonly01 · 07/08/2022 23:23

If she has no screen and is in her own bedroom I’d leave her to it. If it were me I’d leave a note outside the bedroom door…something along the lines of “I love you, when you’re calm do come have a hug” - she can choose to scrunch it up & ignore it but will know that you care. Sorry not to be more helpful 💐

user1471503652 · 07/08/2022 23:29

That is a lovely idea, I'll do that. I wish I could help her.

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Beachdays44 · 07/08/2022 23:33

I would go to bed and leave her. Note is a nice idea.

I have hidden our back door key as I don't trust my son not to lock me out. You are not alone.

AnnieSnap · 07/08/2022 23:35

You have had some great advice about setting boundaries, so I wont to add to it. I just wanted to say, it sounds as though you are going manage this. 💐

butterfly990 · 07/08/2022 23:48
ChorltonCreamery · 07/08/2022 23:51

You talk about your husband; is he her dad? Is her brother her half-brother?

if your husband isn’t her dad what were the circumstances leading to this?

Mardyface · 08/08/2022 00:05

It might help you to think of this as something that is happening to her rather than her doing it. It could be puberty hormones which are fuckers and especially if she is in fact autistic.

It seems like you are actually considering it in this way and I think staying as calm and sympathetic as you can. Saying things like 'I'm sorry things feel so hard' (and meaning it) has helped me. Clearly it's not about the PJs. I think I would sit with her and read /pretend to read my book but the note is a good idea if that feels better. Good luck.

NoKnickerElastic · 08/08/2022 00:21

DD is now 15 but we struggled with similar issues throughout younger childhood to approx age 12ish. We tried everything over the years and I've pondered ADHD on and off however what worked for us was almost 'love bombing' so quite opposite to some of the other posts. Shouting back just ramped it up for us, DD needed to feel safe, loved and wanted and we gave her that in spades. Result was dramatic, fewer confrontations and a much closer relationship. Now 15 no problems at all. I say this to offer reassure you that there is probably light at the end of tunnel.

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