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Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 13:26

On the back of a few threads I've seen lately I wanted to write this as a bit of solidarity and support to others, of course there will be many that will vehemently disagree with me but that's okay.

Firstly, if you are the parent of a newborn or very young infant, you NEED to get at least 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep in any 24hour period. If you don't get this bare minimum amount you are at risk of becoming dangerously sleep deprived which is akin to being intoxicated, would anyone think it's okay to look after a baby whilst drunk? Probably not, but there seem to be a lot of mummy martyrs around who wear their long term lack of sleep as a badge of honor.
The brutal reality is that parental sleep deprivation kills babies, every single one of these deaths are preventable.
The "hilarious" talk among mummy friends of how "you're not a mum until your baby has fallen off the bed/ couch/ change table" or the stories of exhausted dads falling asleep with baby on their chest and baby rolls off onto the floor or mums falling asleep breastfeeding and waking up in the nick of time to find baby half smothered under her breast. These situations are not an inevitable part of parenthood or a rite of passage, they are deadly and avoidable.

If you have another parent on the house then there is no reason for one parent (let's face it, usually the mum) to be shouldering the whole responsibility of parenting.
It doesn't matter that babys dad has a demanding job 12 hours a day, so does the other person, if your job is to literally keep a completely vulnerable and dependent human alive then I challenge anyone to store why that is less important than dad being on top form for whatever he does.
What worked well for me and my partner in the early days was he would come home from work, I'd hand over baby and go upstairs to get my 4 hours of sleep, we would then swap and he'd get his hours in then anything we got as a bonus after that was great. Yeah it's not ideal, you end up being a bit like ships in the night but it's temporary. And it means that instead of one caregiver being dangerously sleep deprived and the other getting their full 8 hours, both caregivers are a little less fresh than they'd probably like but both are safe and sufficiently rested.
Maternal/ paternal mental health is so important and so overlooked, it literally changes how your life works, look after yours.

I breastfed my baby, it's fucking hard. It's made harder by people telling you that you should be doing this or not be doing that. The bottom line is that it is a feeding method, nothing more or less, just like formula is a feeding method.
Breastmilk is food, formula is food, they are both equally valid and nutritious choices.
Don't buy into the lactavist nonsense that if you are breastfeeding you have to be the one to get up all night, every night for night feeds. Express enough milk if you can so other parent can give baby a bottle for one of the night feeds, or supplement with a bottle of formula if you have trouble expressing. Nipple confusion is a myth and if baby is offered a bottle/ dummy etc from birth they WILL learn to accept them, some may take longer than others.

If you are steadfastly against supplementing with formula even when you probably should do then you need to check your internal lactavism and ask yourself why breastfeeding is more important to you, regardless of the mental and physical toll , than offering your baby an alternative food.
Same thing with cluster feeding, cluster feeding is not based in evidence. If baby is feeding every 20 minutes, it's because they're hungry because they're not ingesting enough milk- for goodness sake feed your baby, supplement with formula until your body produces more milk. No it won't make your supply dry up.

A last note on the breastmilk v formula debate, in developed countries with access to clean drinking water, formula and breastmilk are equal, neither is superior. You also don't have to justify your feeding method to ANYONE, ever. Don't ever let anyone make you feel embarrassed to BF in public, and don't let anyone shame you for feeding formula. Would anyone care if the debate was to give your child cheese v yogurt?? Of course not, it's exactly the same.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 12/07/2022 13:29

You don’t like being told what to do and that’s exactly what you’ve just done. It’s quite the lecture. Do you feel better?

Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 13:42

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/07/2022 13:29

You don’t like being told what to do and that’s exactly what you’ve just done. It’s quite the lecture. Do you feel better?

🙄Great comprehension. If it's not of interest to you just move on.

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Sexismdoesntrule · 12/07/2022 13:50

Im not sure this thread is about general parenting issues, more your issues that you’ve overcome..

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 14:13

Sexismdoesntrule · 12/07/2022 13:50

Im not sure this thread is about general parenting issues, more your issues that you’ve overcome..

Call it what you will, it's really not important, however these issues are absolutely not unique to me, these issues are things that new parents face every day, and are common to EVERYONE. These issues are issues that effect all mothers in some way, I'm not unique to other humans in my need to sleep, my baby isn't unique in their need to feed.

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NerrSnerr · 12/07/2022 14:20

It's not really solidarity when you're calling people mummy martyrs or lactavists.

Having a baby is hard. We all deal with it the best we can.

Are you some kind of breastfeeding professional as you've stated a few things as fact such as nipple confusion and cluster feeding or have you just based that on having one baby yourself?

Twizbe · 12/07/2022 14:33

And who made you the parenting god?

Cluster feeding isn't a myth.

Some babies do hate dummies

Some babies won't take bottles (oh and I introduced bottles and dummies to both my kids at a few days old and in the same way. One was combi fed one flatly refused)

Expressing a bottle for an overnight feed is more work than just feeding baby and it be done with

But hey don't let me stop you piling on the pressure for women to not breastfeed or think they are doing it 'wrong'.

Hugasauras · 12/07/2022 14:39

Better to just accept that all situations, individuals and babies are different and there are no 'this is what you must do' statements that fit for every family.

Four hours is an arbitrary number, how did you settle on that? Three hour blocks is fine with me as long as I get enough of them. And my husband doing night feeds doesn't work for either of us. I prefer to do them and he gets up v early to look after DD1 while I stay in bed with DD2 and get some more sleep. Plus pumping is a pain in the arse (trust me, I exclusively pumped for 12 weeks for DD1 and it was a bloody godsend when she could just breastfeed overnight instead and I didn't have to pump anymore!).

Find what works for you, and that will be different for everyone.

Hugasauras · 12/07/2022 14:41

What worked well for me and my partner in the early days was he would come home from work, I'd hand over baby and go upstairs to get my 4 hours of sleep, we would then swap

This wouldn't have been right for us at all. Good that it worked for you but I don't want to go sleep at 5pm and miss my evenings and both my newborns have slept fine in three-hour blocks day and night so we spent evenings together as normal and baby came up with us at 10pm or whenever.

Tigerteafor3 · 12/07/2022 14:46

Oh do fuck off dear

Sexismdoesntrule · 12/07/2022 14:55

Ah - just the one baby then?

Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 15:01

Tigerteafor3 · 12/07/2022 14:46

Oh do fuck off dear

How mature, and you're bringing up kids? Teaching them great skills to deal with things they don't like 👍 great job.

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Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 15:02

Sexismdoesntrule · 12/07/2022 14:55

Ah - just the one baby then?

Oh yes, I forgot, the ones who feel they know better than others because they've done it with more than 1 kid.

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Thesearmsofmine · 12/07/2022 15:05

Lol, what a load of judgmental rubbish. People find their own way depending on their own situation. I’m not sure what makes you believe your way is the best for everyone.

Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 15:08

It doesn't matter who agrees or not, the bottom line is that everything I've stated is fact. I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm telling people that they have choices. Ultimately it doesn't matter a jot to me what parenting decisions anyone else makes, it doesn't affect me, however i don't like to see anyone suffer needlessly and I definitely don't like to think of anyone losing a baby to an avoidable situation. This is a subject very close to me for reasons I won't go into so if all you've got to say is "fuck off" then just keep it to yourself
All of the info in my post is evidence based and if you care to know more then the evidence can be found quite easily.

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MolliciousIntent · 12/07/2022 15:14

Lol at 4 hours uninterrupted sleep while breastfeeding. You were very lucky that you could make that work for you. It's unlikely to work for many other women, but that doesn't make them bad parents doomed to kill their ba

MolliciousIntent · 12/07/2022 15:14

Babies through exhaustion. It doesn't make them martyrs or "lactivists" either.

Aquilegia23 · 12/07/2022 15:19

The OP is just expressing her opinion, on a forum designed for that. No need to jump on her or be rude.

MolliciousIntent · 12/07/2022 15:24

Aquilegia23 · 12/07/2022 15:19

The OP is just expressing her opinion, on a forum designed for that. No need to jump on her or be rude.

She's been incredibly rude!

Aquilegia23 · 12/07/2022 15:28

MolliciousIntent · 12/07/2022 15:24

She's been incredibly rude!

She obviously feels strongly about the issues of sleep and feeding, but I still wouldn't say she's being rude.

Twizbe · 12/07/2022 15:39

Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 15:08

It doesn't matter who agrees or not, the bottom line is that everything I've stated is fact. I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm telling people that they have choices. Ultimately it doesn't matter a jot to me what parenting decisions anyone else makes, it doesn't affect me, however i don't like to see anyone suffer needlessly and I definitely don't like to think of anyone losing a baby to an avoidable situation. This is a subject very close to me for reasons I won't go into so if all you've got to say is "fuck off" then just keep it to yourself
All of the info in my post is evidence based and if you care to know more then the evidence can be found quite easily.

Thing is, your post was written in a very judgemental 'do as I say' way.

If you meant to give choices you'd have said things like 'it's ok if you do all night wakings or if your partner gives a bottle' 'it's ok if you EBF or supplement or ff' 'it's ok to prioritise sleep, however you make that work for you'

See the difference? Instead you've presented a lot of 'facts' that just add more pressure to new mums

Rakszasa · 12/07/2022 15:43

Please share that "evidence" you have on formula and breast milk being "exactly the same".
I think everyone should do what's best for them, either one, the other or combi feeding, but at the same time I belive it should be an informed decision.
Also, I haven't sleep 4 straigh hours for 5 weeks, but am not sleep deprived, as trying to nap while baby naps.
Some issues you raised are valid, but others are just pure nonsense.

DayreeMilk · 12/07/2022 15:49

Sounds like the OP has a massive chip on their shoulder. To start off by saying they are offering solidarity, doesn't match the ranty tone of the rest of the post.

What is "fact!" to you, is very much nonsensical to me.
As they say, you do you, I don't think you'll reach many with your style of "solidarity ".

Stevienickssnickers · 12/07/2022 17:47

So what are single parents meant to do? Or those who have OHs who work shifts or away from the home overnight? What are you meant to do if your partner has a job like lorry driving or operating heavy machinery where the consequences of being tired at work could be fatal?

NerrSnerr · 12/07/2022 18:00

It might be worth saving what you've written here OP and come back in 5 or 10 years to revisit. None of us are perfect and we all muddle through. Making people feel shit because their child cluster feeds or because they haven't slept is not helping anyone (not everyone has a second adult at home every night, or at all).

What parents need to hear is that they need to find a way for it to work for them. Telling people they're wrong about how they sleep, feed and conduct themselves and calling them 'Mummy Martyrs' is not solidarity. It's just a rant.

Your way is what worked for you- and that's great. People parent differently and that doesn't make them wrong.

NerrSnerr · 12/07/2022 18:02

You also don't have to justify your feeding method to ANYONE, ever.

Bit ironic as in the paragraph above you judged people for not supplementing with formula when babies cluster feed.