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Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 13:26

On the back of a few threads I've seen lately I wanted to write this as a bit of solidarity and support to others, of course there will be many that will vehemently disagree with me but that's okay.

Firstly, if you are the parent of a newborn or very young infant, you NEED to get at least 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep in any 24hour period. If you don't get this bare minimum amount you are at risk of becoming dangerously sleep deprived which is akin to being intoxicated, would anyone think it's okay to look after a baby whilst drunk? Probably not, but there seem to be a lot of mummy martyrs around who wear their long term lack of sleep as a badge of honor.
The brutal reality is that parental sleep deprivation kills babies, every single one of these deaths are preventable.
The "hilarious" talk among mummy friends of how "you're not a mum until your baby has fallen off the bed/ couch/ change table" or the stories of exhausted dads falling asleep with baby on their chest and baby rolls off onto the floor or mums falling asleep breastfeeding and waking up in the nick of time to find baby half smothered under her breast. These situations are not an inevitable part of parenthood or a rite of passage, they are deadly and avoidable.

If you have another parent on the house then there is no reason for one parent (let's face it, usually the mum) to be shouldering the whole responsibility of parenting.
It doesn't matter that babys dad has a demanding job 12 hours a day, so does the other person, if your job is to literally keep a completely vulnerable and dependent human alive then I challenge anyone to store why that is less important than dad being on top form for whatever he does.
What worked well for me and my partner in the early days was he would come home from work, I'd hand over baby and go upstairs to get my 4 hours of sleep, we would then swap and he'd get his hours in then anything we got as a bonus after that was great. Yeah it's not ideal, you end up being a bit like ships in the night but it's temporary. And it means that instead of one caregiver being dangerously sleep deprived and the other getting their full 8 hours, both caregivers are a little less fresh than they'd probably like but both are safe and sufficiently rested.
Maternal/ paternal mental health is so important and so overlooked, it literally changes how your life works, look after yours.

I breastfed my baby, it's fucking hard. It's made harder by people telling you that you should be doing this or not be doing that. The bottom line is that it is a feeding method, nothing more or less, just like formula is a feeding method.
Breastmilk is food, formula is food, they are both equally valid and nutritious choices.
Don't buy into the lactavist nonsense that if you are breastfeeding you have to be the one to get up all night, every night for night feeds. Express enough milk if you can so other parent can give baby a bottle for one of the night feeds, or supplement with a bottle of formula if you have trouble expressing. Nipple confusion is a myth and if baby is offered a bottle/ dummy etc from birth they WILL learn to accept them, some may take longer than others.

If you are steadfastly against supplementing with formula even when you probably should do then you need to check your internal lactavism and ask yourself why breastfeeding is more important to you, regardless of the mental and physical toll , than offering your baby an alternative food.
Same thing with cluster feeding, cluster feeding is not based in evidence. If baby is feeding every 20 minutes, it's because they're hungry because they're not ingesting enough milk- for goodness sake feed your baby, supplement with formula until your body produces more milk. No it won't make your supply dry up.

A last note on the breastmilk v formula debate, in developed countries with access to clean drinking water, formula and breastmilk are equal, neither is superior. You also don't have to justify your feeding method to ANYONE, ever. Don't ever let anyone make you feel embarrassed to BF in public, and don't let anyone shame you for feeding formula. Would anyone care if the debate was to give your child cheese v yogurt?? Of course not, it's exactly the same.

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Runoutofusernames · 12/07/2022 18:07

Reading between the lines of your post op, I have to ask...are you a struggling first time parent?

Sexismdoesntrule · 12/07/2022 18:13

It’s not that I feel I know better, I do know better after having more than one.

and are common to EVERYONE
They’re really not, these are specifically your issues, you have put them under a blanket umbrella of sleep and feeding but that’s as useless as saying they’re human issues.

Not everyone needs 4 hours sleep.
Not every baby gets nipple confusion.
Never once heard of anyone talking ‘hilariously’ about babies falling and hurting themselves.
Not one parent I know thinks work is harder than parenting.
It doesn’t make someone a ‘lactavist’ to wake up and feed their child.
Nipple confusion is not a myth.
Cluster feeding is not a myth.

etc..

As I said, these are your issues and it sounds like you’ve overcome them now, great news.

Just because you didn’t experience something it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Keep that in mind.

NerrSnerr · 12/07/2022 18:24

The "hilarious" talk among mummy friends of how "you're not a mum until your baby has fallen off the bed/ couch/ change table" or the stories of exhausted dads falling asleep with baby on their chest and baby rolls off onto the floor or mums falling asleep breastfeeding and waking up in the nick of time to find baby half smothered under her breast. These situations are not an inevitable part of parenthood or a rite of passage, they are deadly and avoidable.

One thing I do remember when my eldest was a newborn was the sense of relief when I realised that I wasn't the only one who used to wake up in a panic thinking the baby was in the bed, under the bed, under the pillow etc and after a frantic search the baby is asleep in the crib, where I had safely put her down after her feed. We may have laughed- but that's down to relief.

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Tigerteafor3 · 12/07/2022 18:45

Yes I am raising my own thank you, her teachers say she is a delight. Funnily enough I am able to care a little more about her than some random woman on the Internet with some self righteous judgemental rant.

Many of the things you state are wrong, not fact.

Others are your opinions which you are forcing on others with no invitation and no acceptance that it is unwelcome.

Your experience is not universal. Joking about the baby rolling off the bed is a humour defense. Allow us mere mortals a little ego defense.

In my experience bottle refusal is a thing (not DD, she was fine with it but my nephew did not take a bottle once in the 2 years of being breastfed) and supplementing with formula did reduce my supply until the point I had to stop feeding DD myself because I was unable to produce enough. I didn't feel guilty about giving her formula but supplementing her meant I couldn't feed her.

I also slept for half an hour at a time through the 4 month sleep regression. My DH helped as much as he could but he can't stop me waking when my baby cries. We survived. As a newborn we actually did something similar to you and it worked for us, but what I would never tell anyone that is the answer.

Congratulations on having the perfect parenting experience. You have a little more work to do in communicating with adults.

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 12/07/2022 19:45

Who made you an expert on babies? Some of your advice is dangerous, brand new breast fed babies especially in this weather need to feed every 3 hours. Not everyone can express and no every baby can have formula. Not everyone can fuck off to bed as soon as there husband comes home because they have other children who they need to parent too. Maybe think about other peoples experiences and how they may differ from yours before you start with with judging other mothers.

QforCucumber · 12/07/2022 19:57

Ah the perfect parent has arrived, how I wish I’d read this 6 years ago when I had my first…..it would have made absolutely 0 bloody difference 😂. I am bloody glad I’m not the only one who read this in a judgemental, patronising tone wondering who made you the font of all knowledge on baby rearing

Twizbe · 12/07/2022 20:14

Op hasn't returned so I'm guessing they've realised they're not the world's best parenting expert

Hugasauras · 12/07/2022 20:24

Twizbe · 12/07/2022 20:14

Op hasn't returned so I'm guessing they've realised they're not the world's best parenting expert

They'll be getting their four hours sleep Grin

BungleandGeorge · 12/07/2022 20:38

The problem with having a baby is that so many people suddenly want to give you unsolicited advice about how to do it ‘correctly’!
the length of sleep cycles varies between people but is around 90 minutes so not sure why 4 hours uninterrupted has been chosen…

Twizbe · 12/07/2022 20:43

@Hugasauras you're right, I didn't think about their 4 hours sleep

They'll be along soon then to tell us all how to parent some more

AmericanStickInsect · 12/07/2022 20:49

You're not the universal font of knowledge on all babies and parenting.
So don't speak like you are.
You're just wasting everyone's time, including your own.
You only know your suggestions of 'choices' suit you and if your 'solidarity' comes with such a large dollop of judgement and a whole side of blinkered vision, then I'll pass.

pamshortsbrokenbothherlegs · 12/07/2022 20:52

Pretty sure I haven't slept four hours straight since my daughter was born 16 months ago... she must be in grave danger! 🤔 If I haven't already irreparably damaged her through ebf, that is.

OP, you crazy.

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/07/2022 20:56

I’m looking forward to the advice on weaning and potty training.

gonuts · 12/07/2022 21:00

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 12/07/2022 19:45

Who made you an expert on babies? Some of your advice is dangerous, brand new breast fed babies especially in this weather need to feed every 3 hours. Not everyone can express and no every baby can have formula. Not everyone can fuck off to bed as soon as there husband comes home because they have other children who they need to parent too. Maybe think about other peoples experiences and how they may differ from yours before you start with with judging other mothers.

Ahhh the OP had a go at me on another thread and spouted this stuff about cluster feeding not being a thing and how she expressed so she was able to sleep. and breastfeeding mothers don't necessarily need to do feeds at night etc. etc.

Glad to see everyone else thinks it's nonsense too....
Just cos this system worked for you- brilliant, doesn't mean it applies to anyone else and bear in mind many mums may have a different home set up to you

feellikemyselfagain · 12/07/2022 21:11

@Maybee21
Did you suffer with your mental health when you had your baby? I hope you're ok. I get that you're trying to help others who have or are having a hard time. Everyone's got to find their own way with this stuff

imnotthatkindofmum · 12/07/2022 21:20

Maybee21 · 12/07/2022 13:26

On the back of a few threads I've seen lately I wanted to write this as a bit of solidarity and support to others, of course there will be many that will vehemently disagree with me but that's okay.

Firstly, if you are the parent of a newborn or very young infant, you NEED to get at least 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep in any 24hour period. If you don't get this bare minimum amount you are at risk of becoming dangerously sleep deprived which is akin to being intoxicated, would anyone think it's okay to look after a baby whilst drunk? Probably not, but there seem to be a lot of mummy martyrs around who wear their long term lack of sleep as a badge of honor.
The brutal reality is that parental sleep deprivation kills babies, every single one of these deaths are preventable.
The "hilarious" talk among mummy friends of how "you're not a mum until your baby has fallen off the bed/ couch/ change table" or the stories of exhausted dads falling asleep with baby on their chest and baby rolls off onto the floor or mums falling asleep breastfeeding and waking up in the nick of time to find baby half smothered under her breast. These situations are not an inevitable part of parenthood or a rite of passage, they are deadly and avoidable.

If you have another parent on the house then there is no reason for one parent (let's face it, usually the mum) to be shouldering the whole responsibility of parenting.
It doesn't matter that babys dad has a demanding job 12 hours a day, so does the other person, if your job is to literally keep a completely vulnerable and dependent human alive then I challenge anyone to store why that is less important than dad being on top form for whatever he does.
What worked well for me and my partner in the early days was he would come home from work, I'd hand over baby and go upstairs to get my 4 hours of sleep, we would then swap and he'd get his hours in then anything we got as a bonus after that was great. Yeah it's not ideal, you end up being a bit like ships in the night but it's temporary. And it means that instead of one caregiver being dangerously sleep deprived and the other getting their full 8 hours, both caregivers are a little less fresh than they'd probably like but both are safe and sufficiently rested.
Maternal/ paternal mental health is so important and so overlooked, it literally changes how your life works, look after yours.

I breastfed my baby, it's fucking hard. It's made harder by people telling you that you should be doing this or not be doing that. The bottom line is that it is a feeding method, nothing more or less, just like formula is a feeding method.
Breastmilk is food, formula is food, they are both equally valid and nutritious choices.
Don't buy into the lactavist nonsense that if you are breastfeeding you have to be the one to get up all night, every night for night feeds. Express enough milk if you can so other parent can give baby a bottle for one of the night feeds, or supplement with a bottle of formula if you have trouble expressing. Nipple confusion is a myth and if baby is offered a bottle/ dummy etc from birth they WILL learn to accept them, some may take longer than others.

If you are steadfastly against supplementing with formula even when you probably should do then you need to check your internal lactavism and ask yourself why breastfeeding is more important to you, regardless of the mental and physical toll , than offering your baby an alternative food.
Same thing with cluster feeding, cluster feeding is not based in evidence. If baby is feeding every 20 minutes, it's because they're hungry because they're not ingesting enough milk- for goodness sake feed your baby, supplement with formula until your body produces more milk. No it won't make your supply dry up.

A last note on the breastmilk v formula debate, in developed countries with access to clean drinking water, formula and breastmilk are equal, neither is superior. You also don't have to justify your feeding method to ANYONE, ever. Don't ever let anyone make you feel embarrassed to BF in public, and don't let anyone shame you for feeding formula. Would anyone care if the debate was to give your child cheese v yogurt?? Of course not, it's exactly the same.

This is such bullshit with regards to breastfeeding I don't even know where to start!

Telling parents cluster feeding is a myth and all babies will take a bottle is not helpful when they're struggling. 2 of mine were supplemented with bottles from birth, both rejected them by 6 weeks.

Cluster feeding is a thing.

You do it your way but don't dictate to others what they should and shouldn't do. You try to say there is no right and wrong and then literally tell us that we're all wrong 🤦🏽‍♀️

Twizbe · 12/07/2022 21:34

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/07/2022 20:56

I’m looking forward to the advice on weaning and potty training.

I'm sure her baby is already potty trained

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