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What Would You Do: Grandparent swearing at toddler

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Anon2121 · 06/04/2022 02:34

Hey everyone, so this evening has been pretty traumatic for me because I am so worried about the effects nights like this have on such a young and prime-time of a child's life.

Please excuse the length of this, I tried to get all the info in!

Here's the scope...

Generally we all have a good relationship - myself, my son, my mother and my father (his grandparents). Their involvement is HUGE because I am a single mum and this helps me massively in ways where I can have my career, time when I need it etc.

However tonight my mum (his grandmother) just lost it. It started because my son wanted the cake that gets left out on the side. Now I'm not strict, but I am aware of what he eats and tries to encourage more healthy eating (like most parents). Before dinner, he found some chocolate so he had that. My mum said he had some cake earlier too. I know he is only asking because he can see it on the side and wants it (like children do). Every time I go to the house, there are always biscuits, chocolates, cake, some sort of sweet thing out on the side (which is lovely when you're a guest, but not necessarily for toddlers). My son see's these things, asks for it, and they always give in. As long as it's not much, I try to tell myself that it's okay and I don't cause a fuss. I look at him as a person and it's not like I don't have the odd cake here and there!

But the point is, he's having this stuff because he see's it and wants it. It's right in front of him, and so I don't blame him. I say that we should put the stuff in the cupboards so it's hidden - out of sight, out of mind. Which I thought was a perfectly reasonable comment. If this was someone else's house, I would never suggest what or where they put anything, but we practically live there, and this should make a difference on how much sweet he eats, as he's around it all the time.

Anyway, my mum ended up yelling - she stood up, started opening and slamming cupboards, shouting "where, where do I f put it?!". There's an actual cupboard for crisps and snacks, so I thought there would be perfect (not to mention it keeps the house tidier!!). I don't really know why she has been set off like a firework, but over my lifetime she has always had these outbursts where something is said and it's like a switch has been flicked. Two minutes ago, my mum and I was sat casually at the dining room table chatting away nicely.

She then turns around at my son, starts flailing her arms shouting "just stop f asking for cake and chocolate all the f time!!" It wasn't just the swearing, it was the way she said it. With so much anger, hostility, at the top of her lungs. I said in response "how dare you speak to him like that". I was honestly shocked she could speak to him like that. I can't imagine ever doing that. She has been like that with me plenty of times, but he really was just an innocent little boy in this. She looks at me in the eyes and said with such vengeance "I don't f care... I don't f care alright. I'll be dead soon anyway, and it won't f matter. Sooner than you think and I'll be looking down on you struggling, and then what..." and she storms upstairs. So she goes off on this tangent and then doesn't speak to anyone (the usual thing). I look over at my son, who the first time ever, is staring into space, dead quiet, incrementally licking the top of the cake (which I'm actually glad he has now for some sort of comfort!). It's one of those things where you think, shout at me, but don't damage him. No matter what I could say or do to comfort him, he's there, he's heard it, he felt it. I feel heartbroken for him that he had to witness that, and I keep going over it in my head. Why is it that such a little thing has been blown out of control?

I am upset of what my son had to experience, and I feel angry that my mother can't even control her responses in front of a two year old. And I don't know what to do going forward. Following the usual patterns, she'll act like it's never happened soon enough and life will be back to "normal". But I am trying my best to raise him on how to express emotions properly, and treating everyone with respect (like this little thing could have been dealt with such dignity and class, and I'm still trying to comprehend why it wasn't). I've especially been made so aware of it all after my abusive ex (his father), who also struggled controlling his emotions and had his fair share of outbursts too. I am worried that already some of it could be in the genes, and I want to teach my son properly on how to handle life's situations, and my mum's example in what went on tonight, is exactly what I'm trying to steer him away from.

Why couldn't a calm conversation be the way to overcome the issue?
I could never understand this because these outbursts doesn't achieve anything except divide us further apart. I feel like it was such a small issue in the grand scheme of things, that has been made into a real big one. One with psychological effects.

Please help. Did I do anything in this to set her off? I'm concerned about my son, but apart from counteracting it by showing kindness and love, I don't know what to do? And what would you do going forward?

Any comments will be appreciated.

Many thanks x

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AnotherEmma · 06/04/2022 10:33

"At two it's time he started learning to exercise some control."

One of the most ridiculous things I've read on Mumsnet.

Some adults myself included struggle with the temptation of cakes and other treats lying around. Let alone TWO year olds. They are not developmentally capable of self control yet. We teach them. By not regularly losing our shit about minor things, incidentally.

Viviennemary · 06/04/2022 10:41

Sounds to me like she is at the end of her tether and not coping with the demands of a small child. If you rely on her a lot try and find alternative child care. Of course she shouldn't be swearing and should put the cake away.

IncompleteSenten · 06/04/2022 10:44

I'd stop going round there.

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Clymene · 06/04/2022 10:52

So you use your parents for endless free childcare and criticise them for the way they do it. I'm not surprised she lost her patience with you.

If this was someone else's house, I would never suggest what or where they put anything, but we practically live there, and this should make a difference on how much sweet he eats, as he's around it all the time.

It is someone else's house. It doesn't stop being someone else's house because you're there the whole time.

Find a nursery, pay someone else to care for your son while you work.

sweetbellyhigh · 06/04/2022 20:43

@Franca123

Your mum should apologise to your toddler and you should apologise to your mum. Looking after a two year old is bloody hard work and I'm sure most parents / carers have lost it one time or another. Your mum's explosion was bad though. It won't have harmed the child. I have a family member who does this sometimes. We just explain to our child that it's not OK afterwards. In an ideal scenario maybe you should have firmly told the boy, no more cakes and stop asking for them now. As opposed to criticising your mum. At two it's time he started learning to exercise some control.

Curious as to why you say that the grandmother's abuse "won't have harmed the child"?

cherryonthecakes · 06/04/2022 22:21

Agree with @sweetbellyhigh

It wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't the first time he heard an "outburst" as you're not always there.

Phantom1 · 06/04/2022 22:32

There a few things going on here. Your mother is clearly stressed. That needs to be addressed. But apart from your son wanting cake when he sees it, couldn't that apply to almost anything he likes?

He sees it. He wants it. Doesn't he need to understand that he can't have everything he asks for?

SantaHat · 06/04/2022 22:38

I don’t want to sound horrible here but.. why are you surprised? You really should’ve expected this, given she used to act the same way with you when you were a child, and possibly still as an adult (hard to tell by your post) so she has form. This is who she is.

Completely this.

Babyboomtastic · 07/04/2022 02:47

My first thought tbh want about your poor little boy, but actually what's wrong with your mum health wise, that she's hasn't told you.

I'm concerned for her more than anything.

KosherDill · 07/04/2022 02:57

@DropYourSword

I think previous posters have lost their marbles! Your mum screamed and swore at a 2 year old for being a normal 2 year old. It's so not on. If she had an issue with you, so should have talked to you, not treated your child like that.

It does sound like she's got an awful lot on her mind, but it's really not acceptable to say that to her grandchild!

This.

God knows how she trespassing him when there are no witnesses.

I'd shield him from her for a very long time.

alexdgr8 · 07/04/2022 06:40

i think she'd be pleased to have the rest.

cptartapp · 07/04/2022 06:44

Perhaps she wants their involvement to be less than 'huge'.
Time for less 'time when you need it'.

Hotpinkangel19 · 07/04/2022 06:54

She sounds like someone that for them that was the last straw. Is she ill? Could she be anxious, stressed, exhausted?

RewildingAmbridge · 07/04/2022 07:00

If anyone spoke to my child like that I'd be out of there and not going back, it's time you distanced yourself and got on with things on your own. She may have felt you want a lot of get help and then also tell her what to do, but her response still isn't ok, you indicate this is quite normal behaviour for her. You have a choice keep leaning on someone who reacts explosively and leave your child with someone who is verbally aggressive or get on with things yourself.

RewildingAmbridge · 07/04/2022 07:02

I'd also be concerned that your son didn't react to it, mine would be in tears of grandma was shouting at him, is he used to it? Has it happened before when you're not there?

Polyanthus2 · 07/04/2022 07:03

How much does DF help with toddler and the house keeping.

If it all falls on your mother then I think it's probably too much. She's had her kids (didn't do too well) and it's unfair to land her with that much responsibility.
Toddlers are exhausting imv.

Patchbatch · 07/04/2022 07:21

Whilst I agree it's not acceptable to talk to anyone like that, let alone a 2 year old, sounds like it's time to reassess how much you rely on your mum for childcare and support. I would also be annoyed if my child who 'practically lived with me' and relied on me heavily was criticising where I kept some cake.

Franca123 · 07/04/2022 08:45

@AnotherEmma I definitely don't give my two year old everything he asks for and he definitely doesn't have a tantrum every time I say no. Personally I think it's ridiculous to give a two year old everything they ask for. Each to their own.

AnotherEmma · 07/04/2022 09:00

[quote Franca123]@AnotherEmma I definitely don't give my two year old everything he asks for and he definitely doesn't have a tantrum every time I say no. Personally I think it's ridiculous to give a two year old everything they ask for. Each to their own.[/quote]
And you definitely sound smug and patronising Grin

You have implied that I was advocating giving two year olds everything they ask for, when I was clearly doing no such thing.

You might think that having a two year old who accepts being told no without having tantrums is down to your superior parenting. No, it's mostly luck.

Those of us with tantruming two year olds might choose to put cakes out of sight, out of mind when possible, while they are learning those skills, to save ourselves the stress of a tantrum every five minutes.

But, you know, each to their own Hmm

worriedatthistime · 07/04/2022 09:03

Her outburst is over the top but you can't tell her where she should put her things , if you don't like where she has things then you need to use childcare
You can't dictate to anyone where they have things in their house
And being told no he can't have something is also part of learning
But its clear your mum can't cope if she is swearing and shouting

Jonny1265 · 07/04/2022 10:05

As you've highlighted that she has behaved like this for a long time, it is likely that she has some form of personality issues. The behaviour is totally unacceptable though regardless of cause.

pinkyredrose · 07/04/2022 10:13

Why do you 'practically live there'? Maybe she's feeling put upon.

stuntbubbles · 07/04/2022 10:20

She’s abusive. What an unacceptable way to speak to a child, ever. I don’t care if you’d thrown the cake at the wall, it would be no excuse – but all you did was suggest not having it on display. I’ve mentioned the same thing at my parents’ house, it’s entirely normal to ask/suggest/point out that a load of cake in view of a two year old isn’t the best idea. My parents have never once reacted like this.

Given her history and that you know she has these outbursts, you need to protect your DC: no more practically living there, no more childcare, frankly no more contact full stop until it’s guaranteed she won’t do this.

ConkerBonkers · 07/04/2022 10:29

I don't think she was right...but also this is just her right, she's always been this way. Sounds like she wants to be a good mum to you, she's taken a lot on. She sounds stressed. I think just back off let them do things their way re cake etc at their house. Your house, your rules type of thing. I think you need to consider reducing the amount of dependency you have on them. I think this is possibly a cry for help, burn some bridges, seriously narked off behaviour on your mum's part, and you need to change, where you possibly can, the level of contact, and your approach to monitoring cake, as an example. Look for a solid alternative, so that you can withdraw him from their care permanently when/if you need to. Your mum makes a good point, what would you do if she wasn't able to help? Focus on that.

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