Immunisations

[Kszw]

Did anyone refuse there babies immunisations after so many? Don't come at me but im considering refusing any more after her 16 week one's. After seeing her scream and cry on her 8 week one's absolutely hurt me! I've never seen my child shed tears at all and that day they was poring. Even thought im dreading her 16 week one's I think after that is enough. I just feel its so wrong she should be able to make her own decisions and until she is old enough that is what I shall do! I just think its absolute torture with out her consent. Yes I'm her mum but I feel absolutely terrible putting her in pain when she can't say no😢

Your baby is completely precious to you. So the best thing you can do - as her mummy whose job is to keep her safe - is to protect her from diseases which could hurt her.

Sometimes keeping our babies safe means doing things that are upsetting to them. I had to hold one of my babies down while they inserted a nasal gastric tube up his nose. He screamed but he needed to eat. I felt horrible, I cried and felt so guilty but it was the right thing to do.

Parenting is hard. You need to do the right thing for your children, even if it's difficult at the time.

@Kszw

I understand what your all saying and i may ask for them to be spaced out since (some) of you have mentioned that.. but stating facts about car seats and other things that don't even resemble the same thing?? Obviously I'd never take her out of a car seat that's just a ridiculous point of view!.. and playing chicken on the road? Like what goes through your minds? These don't even resemble the same thing! I came for advice if anyone had refused vaccines before?? Me personally think 3 lots of vaccine is enough for a baby never mind until she is 4 years old but as some of you have said you can ask for them to be spaced out seems like a pretty good idea! I won't apologise for my post because at the end of the day I'm a first time mum that didn't like seeing her child in pain but hehooo clearly some of ya'll don't have a heart! I'm guessing with the sounds of your attitude on here your children's immunisations wasn't so hurtful on your heart to watch them scream and suffer!! Mumsnet is for questions and advise not lectures so if your not going to be nice please don't comment at all. It took my 6 years to get my baby girl so sorry that every cry she does I cry with her, every smile she does I smile with her and sorry for my first ever experience with immunisations had scared me a little but heyhoo Maybe asking for advise is a pretty bad idea on here

The chicken in the toad comment was fine. And it is the exact same logic you used to explain you were considering not getting your child immunised because you know one person who wasn’t any they were fine so you’re planning on taking the same risk. I’m all for parental choice but please base it on facts not antidotal evidence.

In have got a heart. Vaccination are unpleasant but a series illness would be much worse.

Me personally think 3 lots of vaccine is enough for a baby never mind until she is 4 years old

Don’t you think doctors and scientists have researched this? Literally millions of children have been vaccinated under the current schedule. Is there a particular reason that you don’t think the medics know what they’re doing here?

Everytime I momentarily think "ugh I can't be arsed to have a miserable baby after their vaccinations", I immediately think that it's infinitely preferable to having a seriously unwell baby.

Really, we're lucky to have the option and you'd be mad not to.

The car seat and playing chicken in the road arguments are valid because you give vaccinations to your baby to stop them getting seriously Ill or dying. Not every baby who doesn't get strapped in a car seat dies but there's more chance of them dying if they're not strapped in. Not every baby who doesn't have their immunisations dies but there's more chance of them dying if they don't have their immunisations.

I remember the stress of immunisation days for both of mine. Horrible days. 100000 times better than the alternative.

@PurpleDaisies

Me personally think 3 lots of vaccine is enough for a baby never mind until she is 4 years old

Don’t you think doctors and scientists have researched this? Literally millions of children have been vaccinated under the current schedule. Is there a particular reason that you don’t think the medics know what they’re doing here?

This!

Unfortunately, as a parent you sometimes need to make your children cry. It’s horrible but sometime it is absolutely necessary to keep them healthy. Would it help to think that these immunisations are one or two needles that could prevent many more and much more pain if your daughter did catch the illness?

I’ve worked with children who have been left deaf after measles. That was an extended stay in hospital, multiple operations and a lifelong disability. Thankfully, that’s rare. People have forgotten how bad these illnesses can be.

No one likes seeing their baby upset but honestly after 16 weeks I think it's one 1 year & then pre school boosters. I'd rather see my baby crying from a vaccine than from a life threatening disease. Couple of milky buttons after jabs (obviously once over 6 months) always sorted my kids out

@Kszw

I understand what your all saying and i may ask for them to be spaced out since (some) of you have mentioned that.. but stating facts about car seats and other things that don't even resemble the same thing?? Obviously I'd never take her out of a car seat that's just a ridiculous point of view!.. and playing chicken on the road? Like what goes through your minds? These don't even resemble the same thing! I came for advice if anyone had refused vaccines before?? Me personally think 3 lots of vaccine is enough for a baby never mind until she is 4 years old but as some of you have said you can ask for them to be spaced out seems like a pretty good idea! I won't apologise for my post because at the end of the day I'm a first time mum that didn't like seeing her child in pain but hehooo clearly some of ya'll don't have a heart! I'm guessing with the sounds of your attitude on here your children's immunisations wasn't so hurtful on your heart to watch them scream and suffer!! Mumsnet is for questions and advise not lectures so if your not going to be nice please don't comment at all. It took my 6 years to get my baby girl so sorry that every cry she does I cry with her, every smile she does I smile with her and sorry for my first ever experience with immunisations had scared me a little but heyhoo Maybe asking for advise is a pretty bad idea on here

To answer your question - You don’t have to take them. And it’s not “refusing” It’s a choice, a voluntary choice to have your child immunised. Inform yourself and accept only the ones you deem necessary.

In the country where I am it is 36 before 2.

I was all for it. After the 8 week ones we were in hospital and he has been sick since.

Intussusception and colitis are serious issues and rather more common than u think, it’s written on the small side effect sheet that comes with the product, that parents aren’t given before or after. It happened to my son 6 hours after we had them.

It’s probably best not to have the discussion with people if you chose not to have any more…it is triggering

My parents didn't give us any vaccinations. I got measles when I was 4 and even now 53 years later, I remember how ill I was. My Mum bought the bed downstairs as I had to stay in bed for ages and it saved her legs. I also remember the sheer humiliation of having to use a potty as I hadn't got the strength to go up to our upstairs loo.
I know my Mother regretted not giving them to us but she was told not to by a doctor.
It's a risk/benefit thing and the risk of causing your baby a small amount of pain outweighs the potential pain of getting the disease. The only reason people don't get measles etc now as much is because other people are brave enough to get their children vaccinated.

The later vaccinations are for different illnesses. Being fully protected for diphtheria isn’t going to help very much with measles.

She’s cried. Babies cry. Vaccinations are more important than a bit of crying.

If you hate the crying from the jabs, how will you cope with the crying if she gets the illnesses?

These diseases are serious and can have lasting effects.

Within my own family;

My husband lost a testicle to mumps
My aunt lost hearing to measles
My uncle lost the use of his arm to polio
My ex lost his baby sister to meningitis ... she was 2!

Please get her vaccinated, on time and completely. She won't remember these tears but she will remember them if she gets sick and has to go through the pain of these illnesses.

I know it's hard seeing them unhappy, but there are things we have to do for our kids that are for their own good.

Taking your baby for their imms is upsetting, I cried when DS1 had his.
But the illnesses they protect against are so much worse.

And we need the DC who can be immunised to be. That's how herd immunity works. I have a young relative who can't be immunised due to severe allergies. They rely on the children around them being immunised and therefore the diseases being mostly eradicated to remain safe.

You've never seen your child shed tears???

Parents who watch their children in pain being vaccinated are not heartless, or you are not better than us because you are upset by it, we all are, it breaks my heart to hear my babies cry when they get the injections. But it would destroy me to sit beside their bed in ICU, or watch them die, or suffer more "minor" outcomes like limb loss from sepsis, scars, trauma, and explain that they didn't have the vaccination because I as the adult didn't want to see them cry for a few minutes.

Be careful with spacing out as well.
If you think about it you're just prolonging the agony for yourself. Get them over and done with

Of course they don't like it
I didn't like having bloods taken, or MRI scans, or maths tests or eating anything vaguely healthy but you have to do what's best for your child

Your daughter encounters an average of 50 pathogens each day. Five at once is a low number for the immune system.
My children can now talk and they say themselves that vaccinations only hurt for a second.
My toddler just perforated his ear drum and was in so much pain just before that he was banging his head against the wall. There’s just no comparison between pain from a vaccination and from an illness. I would imagine that an illness you know you could have prevented would feel even worse.

Maybe you should read this - fs.blog/roald-dahl-letter-daughter/. I suspect Ronald Dahl might have considered a day of tears worth it to protect his daughter. I am very grateful I had the opportunity to protect mine.

every cry she does I cry with her

Good luck with this, you're in for an interesting time.

My partner never had his immunisations and he is completely fine 24 years old still healthy”

Your partner is still healthy at the young age of 24 primarily because most of the population had their childhood vaccinations.

It will be far more distressing if your baby contracts one of the once common illnesses that used to disable or kill millions.

Is this your decision or is your unvaccinated partner/family influencing you?

I think you're being unreasonable simply for claiming that none of us love our children anywhere near as much as you love yours! What a ridiculous thing to say!

We love our children more than life itself which is why we want to protect them from horrifying, painful, life altering conditions and diseases!!

You have had the privilege of not having these diseases or not seeing the effects of them because people have been vaccinated.

I am 63 and have crap eyesight and rubbish hearing because I had measles as a child. I remember seeing kids in calipers because they had had polio.

Just apply some logic and common sense into your thinking. The few minutes of tears from an injection is much better than what could happen if you don't vaccinated your child.

And your anecdata about your partner is just that. Just because he hasn't been unlucky enough to catch any of these diseases is not scientific proof that he can't catch them.

Please go and educate yourself.

@NerrSnerr

The car seat and playing chicken in the road arguments are valid because you give vaccinations to your baby to stop them getting seriously Ill or dying. Not every baby who doesn't get strapped in a car seat dies but there's more chance of them dying if they're not strapped in. Not every baby who doesn't have their immunisations dies but there's more chance of them dying if they don't have their immunisations.

I remember the stress of immunisation days for both of mine. Horrible days. 100000 times better than the alternative.

This ^

OP your last post is ridiculous. It just doesn't make sense.

Why do you think letting your child be unprotected on a car journey is ridiculous, but letting your child be unprotected everywhere they go, throughout their lives, is reasonable ?

As for your assertation that you somehow love your child more than parents who actually follow scientific advice re the best way to protect them, I just don't know where to start.....

OP read this. It's an essay written by Roald Dahl ( author of Charlie and tye Chocooate factory).

It's about his 7 year old daughter. It's so sad, snd really hits home why childhood vaccinations are so important.

Please don't use your partner's stance as a reason against vaccinations either. The reason most likely, that he's healthy at age 24, is that so many of his acquaintances surrounding him have protection from childhood illnesses, which in return means the risk of transmission to him is low.

Your child will thank you for it