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Trouble between wife and parents

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svar · 22/02/2022 14:39

TL;DR: Wife cannot get over the hurt my parents have caused her and she emotionally breaks down every other day. This is taking a toll on our marriage. Seeking help and advice.

LONG post warning.

It’s been a little over three years to this marriage and we have a baby on the way. Wife is 8 months pregnant. I love my wife dearly.

Arranged marriage. Indian. There were several incidents/behaviors of my parents during the wedding planning days in India that annoyed my wife then. She was in India while I was working here in the US. Wedding planning financial discussions didn’t go well - the way it went down was that my parents subtly “demanded” that their guests be looked after well. (He’ll deny “demanding” anything, will say these things happen during wedding planning). So, asking about the accommodations to the level of wanting to check which rooms are assigned to which families who are attending the wedding. Saying big things but delivering little. This ticked off her parents as well to a point. Her dad is very humble/agreeable. Her mom pulls him back and such situations caused some clashes in her house but they never took it out on my parents - wife, feels, to this date that my parents took advantage of her family.

I should have played a bigger role during the wedding planning, and after. I gave too much control to my parents and things slipped out of hand, didn’t address the issues when they were happening allowing resentment to build in my wife.

Fast forward to shortly after the wedding. My mother gave her a tough time - being sly, sometimes offhand comments, asked her about what her mother/relatives gave her in terms of jewelry and if she brought it with her. When I asked my dad later as to why this happened, he said it was purely because she was curious, we don’t want anything for ourselves EVER. (My analysis - They know her mother pulls back on money issues and felt won’t give anything to the daughter after wedding. And this is why they were asking her.)

Parents talked to her like how they’d talk to their elder son, me - so instead of walking on eggshells and proceeding cautiously around the new bride, taking some liberties and making some comments - about her hair, why does the AC run all night in our room, why the curtains are always drawn etc, why she doesn’t eat fruits eat.

We went to India for vacay in Jan 2020 and the night we were supposed to fly back - this topic of jewelry came up and my mother escalated it, getting territorial about me, when my wife asked my mom to not yell at her son as I was trying to calm the situation down. My mother then yelled few unpleasant words and then started hyperventilating (from her own shouting) and wife said “I am not comfortable” and left the room.

We came back to the US. I sat on this issue for months, my dad and mom didn’t raise this issue either or said sorry. Days passed and my wife kept talking terms with my parents. After 4-5 months, I built the courage to tell my dad what my wife is upset about. He heard everything calmly, although denied any direct wrongdoing and foulplay. Wife oscillated between happily talking to them and periods where she’d replay each scene of her trauma again and again in her mind and breaking down.

I talked to my father again in September last year 1:1. This time much more strongly and several times. Not to my mother because I was afraid she’d withdraw and that it may further ruin things between my wife and her and that my mom will really dislike my wife for “making me think this way”. Father is a dominant personality but also emotional and has a weak spot for me. He again denied direct wrong doing and urged me to not take sides and point fingers at anyone, see situation with a calm mind.

He and mother said sorry to wife on phone. After that, they said sorry on messages. Writing out what they should have done. They say sorry to me. But for my wife - these apologies are too late, not genuine (true because I’ve helped my dad message her, write out the text etc.) enough and she’s been alone during her pregnancy with no help from in-laws.

My wife has deep seated hatred and resentment for my parents at this point and the fights are because I don’t feel the same emotion as strongly as her and only “convey” it to my parents. In my defense, I’ve yelled at my parents and made them hear the situation.

My dad wants to resolve the situation together with me side-dealing with me - guides me that pointing finger will not resolve anything, there are always two sides of a coin. Sends me reconciliatory texts, (not to my wife after she straight up told him “sorry dear FIL, I cannot forget and forgive everything so easily.”)

At this point, parents have gone radio silent after been asked to cancel their trip to the US to stay with us, I didn’t want to invite stress in my home during such a critical time. Wife has cut off from parents temporarily, so have I but I have talked a couple times. They are bruised, saying - wrongly accused of misdoings, isolated and cut out from their son, son being ruled by wife and everything just a planned scheme to cut them out.
The cut off doesn’t help for wife - she WANTS to inflict the same amount of disrespect back on to them, only then she’ll feel some respite she says.

How do I resolve this? My wife is having an emotional breakdown every other day - really harmful for the baby and her I know. When I explain to my parents, they feel accused and feel victimized by their elder son. I love both, my wife and my parents, but I love my wife a lot and want to save this marriage.

I am breaking down..

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svar · 22/02/2022 17:22

During her pregnancy, my parents had mentioned they’d like to visit to help her out.
the plan was that my parents come first - stay and help till one week after delivery (mid April). This delivery period will overlap with her parents coming - this way both sets of grandparents see the baby at it’s birth. Her parents stay longer (4-6 months) to help with wife’s recovery, help with baby etc.

So her parents are now coming a little earlier than planned- mid March. She has immense anger that my parents delayed so much - didn’t make her a priority.. younger son’s wedding (which should also be a priority TBH), omicron. I tell her the flights were not operational until Nov 10th how could they have come - but in her mind, what she feels is what she feels i.e. they didn’t prioritize her pregnancy AT ALL.

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magicstars · 22/02/2022 17:26

Hmmm the thing about her wanting your parents there, then getting upset that they didn't prioritise her, is confusing. I would imagine she'd feel relief at them not coming over any other emotion.
Honestly it sounds as though she's really struggling with her mental health.
Would there ever be scope for you to return home to be near family & friends?
I can imagine she feels quite lonely & isolated at present.

RelentlessForwardProgress · 22/02/2022 17:27

Well it all sounds a bit fraught and sad in your first couple of posts, then we get thrown into the mix:

"They are not terrible people but they do not admit to any wrong doing here - perhaps out of ego, or a fear of their safety (I had once mentioned to them to help them understand the gravity of the situation that she could have sought legal / law enforcement recourse after what happened that night but yet she didn’t"

Law enforcement recourse for what?
Are you implying your parents committed a crime against your wife?

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Anoooshka · 22/02/2022 17:27

How much support does your wife have in the US? Did she move there after she got married? Does she have friends or family nearby? Does she have a job? Are there still COVID restrictions in place where you live?

I moved to the US and had a baby a few years later. It was very difficult with no support system, and I ended up going back to England for a while (DH was abroad on business).

You've got to factor in loneliness, COVID restrictions, culture-shock, leaving home, friends & family, hormones, being a parent, etc etc. These are all big issues by themselves, but she is dealing with all of them at the same time. It sounds like she may need some professional (impartial) help to deal with her emotions.

AlexaShutUp · 22/02/2022 17:32

I cannot speak to my mum in the tone you suggested - she’s just a ball of emotions and she may flare up further. On top of this she has chronic hypertension, blood sugar and can fall sick easily.

I actually don't buy this. It sounds like emotional blackmail. Don't be too honest with me or you will make me really sick. It isn't acceptable for your mum to manipulate you in this way but I suspect she has been doing it for years and it's hard for you to see it for what it is. I understand that you can't confront her, so maybe the best way is to do it through your dad. Tell him that the behaviour needs to change, and that they need to be patient because a forced apology simply won't undo all of the hurt that they have caused.

Perhaps your mum is bitter about her own life experiences, and lording it over your wife feels like the only opportunity that she'll have to exercise a tiny bit of power. Or perhaps she is jealous of the influence that your wife has over you. Perhaps both. Your wife deserves better than this though, and being nasty to her won't actually help your mum feel any better about any injustices that she might have experienced, or about her changing relationship with you.

I do think you need to be clear with your wife, too, that you are not going to have a massive showdown with your parents. It isn't fair for her to demand that. It should be enough for her to know that you've told them honestly that their behaviour wasn't acceptable and that you are 100% behind her decision not to see them if she doesn't want to. In any case, they will feel the pain of that decision strongly enough when the baby arrives. You will probably come under huge pressure from your parents at that point to back down. Your wife may also dig her heels in and refuse to have any contact. You need to think about how you are going to deal with this when it happens, as it won't be easy being stuck in the middle.

Ultimately, there is no point in trying to force contact as you will just drive a wedge between yourself and your wife. It will be a shame for your dc to have no relationship with his/her grandparents, but your wife may quite reasonably be worried about your mum and dad passing on their toxic views of her. I wouldn't want my dc around people who clearly disliked me. In the long term, your parents will need to find some way of showing - and actually really meaning - that they are sorry about the hurt that they have caused. They must be honest with themselves about who is at fault before they can do this... and that might mean that you have to be really honest with them.

It's an impossible situation that you're in, really. I understand the huge cultural obligations on you to treat your parents with respect and to forgive any weaknesses on their part. They're your mum and dad, and of course you love them, no matter how imperfect they are. But your wife is now the mother of your child, and your parents have behaved appallingly towards her. She cannot just forget about that and pretend it never happened. She is in quite a vulnerable place right now - about to have a baby in a foreign country without a support network around her. She needs to know that you have her back.

AlexaShutUp · 22/02/2022 17:35

Your last post is a bit confusing. It sounds like she wanted them to visit after all? And yet from your earlier posts, it sounded like she wanted nothing to do with them?

How are they with your younger brother's wife?

picklemewalnuts · 22/02/2022 17:36

There's no way your parents were coming to help. How would it help your wife to have people staying in the house who argue with her about everything and criticise her?

Your parents were coming to see you, and the baby, and to control the last weeks of your wife's pregnancy.

Unless you truly believe your mum and dad would have done loads of housework and cooking so your wife could rest?

CuriousBogInTheNight · 22/02/2022 17:40

I don't think any apology will be enough because your parents have made it clear they don't respect your wife. That isn't going to change. Honestly I don't think there is a way for her to have a relationship with them. The kindest thing you could do would be to tell her she never has to see them again. You don't need to say nasty things to your parents in order to "stand up for" your wife - you just need to say, clearly, to your parents and your siblings, that your parents behaviour was unacceptable and you fully support your wife in whatever she chooses in the future. And don't discuss any further.

Velvian · 22/02/2022 17:56

I don't think your parents want to visit to help your wife out. You surely can't believe that spin on things @svar?

Having your parents visit at times when your wife is vulnerable can only make things worse. Build up the relationship between you and your wife. You need a solid foundation to your own family before your parents can come back in.

Your parents have caused this problem by their own behaviour, they can't be surprised at the consequences.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 22/02/2022 18:11

@Aderyn21

Firstly tell your wife that she never ever has to have your parents in her home or around her child and mean it. Tell your wife that all the decisions regarding any future contact between them is entirely her choice. Then tell your parents that if your wife ever agree to see them in the future, they have one chance - if they are rude to her or attempt to undermine her with her child, they will not be getting a second chance.

You say she could have involved law enforcement after their behaviour, which means that what they did was very serious. Out of love for you and a misplaced sense of respect, she has chosen not to do this, but your parents still cannot see they were at fault. You can still love your parents but you are a husband and father now and you need to support your wife.
I also agree that it might help her to talk to someone completely outside of the situation to help her process events.

Well put.

Your mum sounds like a bully OP and I'm glad that your wife is hopefully breaking a cycle of toxicity by not tolerating such hateful and nasty behaviour.

LIZS · 22/02/2022 18:13

I'm surprised they can get visas to stay in US that long. Your parents are a source of stress, why do you expect her to host them while pregnant or with a newborn.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 22/02/2022 18:14

I had once mentioned to them to help them understand the gravity of the situation that she could have sought legal / law enforcement recourse after what happened that night but yet she didn’t

What did they do to her?

Because it sounds serious enough that for me it could potentially impact my wishes re their contact with the kids.

svar · 22/02/2022 18:16

^Hmmm the thing about her wanting your parents there, then getting upset that they didn't prioritise her, is confusing^

So, she had gotten over her feeling upset with my parents earlier last year. They had apologized to her and she had spoken her mind to them albeit respectfully.

After this episode, they way she saw it was, “well they should do more than what they have done to come around and build a relationship with me, they should take baby steps carefully”. They didn’t exactly do what she expected. They took it as things are okay and went back to their normal way - which wasn’t outright disrespectful.

Things started worsening shortly after she got pregnant, we let them know about our happy news in August 2021. This was also the time that co-incided with my brothers wedding prep. She did not appreciate her pregnancy not being made the priority, discussions shifted to brothers wedding planning and her pregnancy support was put second in line. By the time omicron wave subsided, it was late January and by this time she was already 7 months into her pregnancy. She expected MIL support but there was none. They only planned to come after brothers wedding, de-prioritizing her pregnancy. After this, the past several weeks the past has come back to haunt her in terms of the injustices and treatment she has received.

To Anooshka: we got married in India where she lived. I’ve lived in the US since 2010 but I have moved cities so don’t really have a friends group / support network. Yes, wife does have a job in corporate. Mild covid restrictions where we live.

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LIZS · 22/02/2022 18:23

So in her eyes she has been let down again, by them and extension you. You need to stop making excuses for them and focus on her mh.

Cherrysherbet · 22/02/2022 18:38

Goodness OP! I really feel for you.

It’s seems you are really stuck in the middle, trying to please everyone.
I think your wife and parents have got off to such a bad start, that it’s going to take an awful lot to put things onto an even keel.
I really think your wife should try to put things behind her, and start a fresh. For your sake, can she not try? Maybe she needs some talking therapy to get things off her chest, and get some perspective?

This will drag on and on otherwise, and soon a child will be involved.
Surely when you all live so far apart, this shouldn’t be affecting your wife so much??
I hope you can find a way to smooth things over, but I think you have a mountain to climb.

This must be very stressful for you.

svar · 22/02/2022 19:02

@youvegottenminuteslynn

I had once mentioned to them to help them understand the gravity of the situation that she could have sought legal / law enforcement recourse after what happened that night but yet she didn’t

What did they do to her?

Because it sounds serious enough that for me it could potentially impact my wishes re their contact with the kids.

As mentioned in one of my previous posts, they asked about the jewelry she received from her parents to bring to her new married life. The two sets of parents did all the wedding prep and bore all the financial expenses (common in arranged marriages in India). During the prep, there were differences in planning/spending and her mother behaved like a penny pincher. My understanding is that my parents took it out on my wife when they asked about her jewelry. Wife mentioned to me that she could have interpreted it as a dowry request (backward, misogynistic and illegal practice in India and thus law enforcement etc.) but she didn't. In one of my heated altercations with parents, I, idiotically, mentioned it to my parents to make them understand the gravity of the situation which shook them.
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svar · 22/02/2022 19:07

@Velvian

I don't think your parents want to visit to help your wife out. You surely can't believe that spin on things *@svar*?

Having your parents visit at times when your wife is vulnerable can only make things worse. Build up the relationship between you and your wife. You need a solid foundation to your own family before your parents can come back in.

Your parents have caused this problem by their own behaviour, they can't be surprised at the consequences.

I agree, in their mind they were coming to visit us from a place of entitlement. I know my dad was. "My elder son, MY grandson is going to be arriving. And of course we will support you two. Mom will support you two and DIL and she will take care of everything"
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TheSpottedZebra · 22/02/2022 19:19

During the prep, there were differences in planning/spending and her mother behaved like a penny pincher

That's an appalling thing to say. You - and your parents - are acting like you're much better than your wife and her mother.

svar · 22/02/2022 19:29

@TheSpottedZebra

During the prep, there were differences in planning/spending and her mother behaved like a penny pincher

That's an appalling thing to say. You - and your parents - are acting like you're much better than your wife and her mother.

this is what my parents believe...not me. I don't set the same principles and values in MY life where I am judging others.
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PantsandBoots · 22/02/2022 19:47

I would suggest that YOU apologise unreservedly for all the issues/comments that she has suffered from your parents.

And tell your wife that your parents will only see her and the child if and when she wants to.

You need to say this constantly and mean it so that she can resolve the hurt that she feels.

She needs you to acknowledge the injustices that were done to her.

Your parents will never change - its too culturally ingrained in them. So you need to protect your wife from them.

They couldnt bring happiness to the two most important events of their eldest sons life, instead ruined it with the misbehaviour. You should consider distancing yourself from them as well.

svar · 22/02/2022 19:52

@PantsandBoots

I would suggest that YOU apologise unreservedly for all the issues/comments that she has suffered from your parents.

And tell your wife that your parents will only see her and the child if and when she wants to.

You need to say this constantly and mean it so that she can resolve the hurt that she feels.

She needs you to acknowledge the injustices that were done to her.

Your parents will never change - its too culturally ingrained in them. So you need to protect your wife from them.

They couldnt bring happiness to the two most important events of their eldest sons life, instead ruined it with the misbehaviour. You should consider distancing yourself from them as well.

Thanks for your reply. I have several times apologized profusely for my parents. But there are some trust issues my wife has with me because I have also gone behind her back to talk to my parents to get them to apologize to her and talk to them about the issue.

Overall, she says "there are no issues between us two and that your are a great husband and you shouldn't be apologizing for the mistakes your parents have made - except for the bit where you didn't stand up for me initially. Its your parents at fault, they should be humiliated, insulted and given back the way I received"

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GriffinSsoup · 22/02/2022 20:06

@svar
Despite the mistreatment that your wife has suffered, I also sense that she is in part a difficult character too.
Doesn’t she realise that she is putting you in a difficult position? I mean there is a continent between her and your parents and I am sure with the help of counselling she can put this unfortunate episode behind her.

Trust me, I am from a similar background and I have dealt with some toxic cultural issues in my life.
It is important that you communicate with her that she is being unfair to you.
She cannot expect you to pick up the phone and argue with your parents to prove your ‘loyalty’ to her. She also needs to get over the upset caused regarding her pregnancy and your brother’s wedding.
In essence, what she is doing is using you to ‘get back’ at her in-laws. Trust me, you might be sympathetic how, but soon or later you will begin to resent her for putting you in these situations.
I would suggest that in order to preserve your happiness and marriage, you set clear boundaries with your in-laws. You need to prioritise and support each other - this includes your wife not putting you in difficult positions.

PantsandBoots · 22/02/2022 20:07

Tell your wife that she is a better person than to give the same treatment back to them. Then she would be no better than them (sorry!).

She needs to stop dwelling on the past. Its an exciting time for you both and she should be actively enjoying it not polluting it with bitterness. If she finds her thoughts becoming negative, perhaps she could recite some mantras or meditate to divert herself.

Your wife and unborn child are your primary family now. You must distance yourself from your parents and keep the two separate.

When you talk to your parents, be very general.
Dont mention your parents in front of your wife.

Trust me, I was your wife and I am still bitter after so many years.

GriffinSsoup · 22/02/2022 20:10

@svar

Overall, she says "there are no issues between us two and that your are a great husband and you shouldn't be apologizing for the mistakes your parents have made - except for the bit where you didn't stand up for me initially. Its your parents at fault, they should be humiliated, insulted and given back the way I received"

Well she is being childish and spiteful. How long does she expect to punish everyone? Because sooner or later your parents will get over her or accept that there won’t be a relationship. What happens once your brother has children and they shift their attention to his family rather than yours? How will your wife react and respond to this?

This attitude may well cost her your love and possibly her marriage. 😢

svar · 22/02/2022 21:29

@PantsandBoots

Tell your wife that she is a better person than to give the same treatment back to them. Then she would be no better than them (sorry!).

She needs to stop dwelling on the past. Its an exciting time for you both and she should be actively enjoying it not polluting it with bitterness. If she finds her thoughts becoming negative, perhaps she could recite some mantras or meditate to divert herself.

Your wife and unborn child are your primary family now. You must distance yourself from your parents and keep the two separate.

When you talk to your parents, be very general.
Dont mention your parents in front of your wife.

Trust me, I was your wife and I am still bitter after so many years.

She needs to stop dwelling on the past. Its an exciting time for you both and she should be actively enjoying it not polluting it with bitterness. If she finds her thoughts becoming negative, perhaps she could recite some mantras or meditate to divert herself.

She is not ready to move forward. She says I was quiet when your parents insulted me, humiliated me and de-prioritized my pregnancy journey because I love and respect you. Why should I do it now? They have already made it bitter - there is zero happiness now, in my journey.

I don't know what to do

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