A New technique Is getting babies as yound as six months out of nappies

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Please read the article on timesonline.co.uk/alphamummy and let me know your thoughts.

Which way works and is best for everyone involved!

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Now i am really confused!

Ooh - interesting! I served a woman at work recently who was buying a potty for her 8 month old grand daughter. I was chatting to her about it and she reckond that both her own children were potty trained by 10 months. Will read articles now.

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have just been reading up on this..am currently potty training dd1 and dd2 who is 1 next sat is showing more interest so am considering sort of bunging her on the potty too and seeing what happens..

new/old method isn't it?
there's a few people on here use ec (whispers - at first I thought it sounded hippy madness - but am being won round)
lizzombie - that could be typical irritating older person memory though, you know, ''you were talking at 9 months/doing your o levels in primary school'' kind of nonsense, bound to get on her daughter's nerves, or even worse, her dil's nerves when she turns up with potty and , ahem, helpful comments

They do this in China, most notably.

We believe that our children should stay in nappies longer than they need to. I think nappy manufacturers have succeeded in persuading us of this.

My children were out of nappies in the day by 18 months and were dry by night at 2. I thought that was a bit slower than it should've been but I was tired and couldn't be bothered.

That was 5 years ago and people are actually letting their children spend even longer in nappies now. We shouldn't do it, really we shouldn't. It's not necessary, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for our pockets too.

I have a friend who potty trained all her Dc by the time they were 18mths old.. The youngest one was just 13mths old. That meant day and night without any accidents. She reckoned she could tell by the look in their eye!

By the way she has 4 Dc.

oh dear god here we go again......great if you have the time & energy but really why are you giving yourselves yet another hassle in life??!!

We EC our 15 month old DD and if you search for ELimination Communication you'll find plenty of threads on here about it and how it works for people.

Here are my small collection of EC website links if you want to learn more about ECing
ECing Links

my ds was on a fully using his potty at one year but that was due to his uncomfortableness in a nappy post medically needed circumcision

QUOTE why are you giving yourselves yet another hassle in life??!!

Because it is LESS hassle than three years of nappy changes, followed by (what sounds like) nightmare experience of trying to traditional toilet train a toddler.

dd1 is dry by night but refuses to poo other than in a nappy. i have tried not puuting knickers onor a pappy and it either ends up on the floor or in knickers. so im struggling there. she is 2. i have no idea how to go about the night? do i/dont i lift??

the only way I know if ds2 (12 months) needs a poo is if I see/hear him pushing/ grunting

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i know when she needs to go you can tell but she holds it as she just refuses to go w/o nappy

she would rather have belly ache it would seem

JustMissyNow, What about lining a potty with a nappy ?
Or getting your little one to sit on the potty with a nappy on to poo, so she learns that she should be sitting on a potty to poo and slowly phrase out the nappy ?

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good idea will try tomorrow! ta!

I must admit my personal experience of having a close friend who does EC with her baby really put me off - he did wee and poo in his potty a lot of the time, but he also frequently peed on the floor or on my lap when she asked me to hold him. And she did seem to spend a lot of her time rushing him to the toilet every 5 minutes or wiping the floor....think I prefer nappies myself and all four potty trained easily by the time they were 2 1/2. I don't think it helped that she had 3 older children to deal with so had to put him in a nappy when driving them round to school etc - probably easier if you only have 1 or 2 children!

DS is 10mths and shouts wee wee lots, and points at nappy. Think I will give the nappy in the potty idea a go, as he points to nappy and says wee if in the bath or naked, so seems to be convinced that the nappy is the place to go. Thanks for links and reply, has given me a clearer idea!

sorry typo DS is 19mths!!

new technique!!not at all new.

we did do this for bit when ds was littler but with 2 older ones.couldnt commit.wish we had now!so much easier the potty training.

I am not sure I am ready to be thinking about potty training DS2 (15 months) but I do really think that parenting at some point should involve some effort.

We teach them to eat we teach them to read we teach them to do all sorts of things but for some reason people think that children will learn to go to the toilet without prompting.
A little guidance is required with all sorts of things and potty training is one of them!

Sorry rant over!

A question - all the young potty trained babies, can they pull their own pants up and down (especially boys with pants and trousers) and can they hold their wee for any length of time? I am not sure if I understand the definition of potty trained if all they do is "have a look in their eyes". Is it not about independance?

If you are in the car on the motorway and your child somehow indicates that they need a wee or poo have you got time to get to the services or not? Or are you moping up?

I'm really not trying to be controversial but I believed the reason that other nations didn't use nappies was because they were too expensive. I did watch a tv program on this and the american woman had wooden floors and mopped a lot, plus held her male child up in the air to pee in the bushes at regular intervals when out and about. This was on many years ago.

Oh, and yes I do believe we keep children in nappies for longer because disposables are too good at keeping babies dry so they don't feel the consequnce of their wee. I tend to use cloth nappies so maybe ds2 will potty train earlier than ds1 did.

QUOTE A question - all the young potty trained babies, can they pull their own pants up and down (especially boys with pants and trousers) and can they hold their wee for any length of time?

ECing is NOT toilet training, it is a way to give babies/toddlers the choice of eliminating outside their pants/nappy into a potty/toilet.

Babies have limited control over their elimination from birth. I can only comment about babies from 10 weeks old (as that is when we started) but DD quickly learnt to wait to use the potty. When she was little she could only hold on maybe 15/20 minutes between wees and maybe 40 minutes by 11 months. But once we eliminated dairy from our diets, she started to have 4 hour gaps between wees and had very strong control.

At a year old my ECed daughter would sign 'Toilet' to me, I would follow her upstairs and lift her onto the toilet and pull her pants down. She would wee, take toilet paper off me and wipe herself and lean back and pull the lever to flush the toilet. I would pull her pants up again and lift her off the toilet and take her downstairs. So she clearly shows her preference whilst being unable to dress herself. In fact she is now 15 months old and sometimes try to pull her pants up but it will be months/years until she can dress.

But dressing is nothing to do with using a toilet. Just like we spoon feed children, who can't handle spoons yet and we bottle/breastfeed babies who can't handle a cup yet.

ECing is just another choice of how to handle eliminations BEFORE toilet training. You can use nappies 100%, ECing 100% or a mixture of the two.

HTH