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I think my ex is smacking/hitting our two year old

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Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 04:38

So, a few months ago my ex drove our son and I to a paediatric appointment (I don’t drive) and on the way home our son had a major tantrum because he didn’t want to leave the attractive toys in the office behind. My efforts to calm our son weren’t working, and my ex lost his cool. He started shouting at our son, which of course upset him even more, then started saying he was going to smack him and proceeded to count down the seconds. I went into a shock and quickly started holding my sons hand which seemed to stop the tantrum (didn’t work before, which makes me think he has been smacked before). Another time he gave us a lift somewhere and our son had a tantrum, the same thing happened and I could see my ex’s hands go behind the car seat and he was touching my sons legs. I got to anxious and I told him to just drop us off at the train station that was just there. When I confronted him, he denied denied denied that he’s ever hit him. He spends every weekend with our son and I have him during the week, so I’m not there to see what’s going on, but his 12 year old daughter (from another marriage) is also there on weekends.

One time he helped us with shopping (I now do shopping online to avoid needing use of his car/being in this predicament), my son tried to grab one of the little croissants out of the shopping bag and my ex picked up him by his wrist. I was in complete shock and I told him no more sleepovers, to have less time together etc. My ex was making out that lifting him up was an accident, he felt bad for hurting him, that he loves his son and would never hurt him. I said to him it wasn’t ok to hit him (as I believe he had from the times I heard him threaten to) and reiterated no more sleepovers while his daughter was there (because I wanted her to know it wasn’t ok if he was doing this). He turned to his daughter and went ‘we haven’t been hitting him, have we?’ To which she responded no but I don’t know if she is being coerced. He’s a very manipulative, controlling person.

Fast forward to last week, my son had a tantrum because I told him we had to walk down the hill and not use his scooter because it wasn’t safe (it was a steep hill leading into a road). I had shopping bags and I kept trying to get my son off the ground because he was having a major tantrum about not being able to go down the hill on his scooter. We were there for half an hour and I felt like crying because I couldn’t get him up to go home. I phoned my ex to ask if he could have a chat with him and that maybe it would help (grandma in a different time zone so wasn’t possible). My ex said ‘you need to smack him’, I just didn’t respond to the command and let my ex speak to him over the phone. I could hear his 12 year old daughter in the background so I know she heard him say this. I sent him a message that night saying I hope he hasn’t been smacking him and he responded to say he hasn’t - why is he telling me to then?

Then the other day, my son was looking out the window and started saying ‘daddy hit Arthur there’ (where my ex usually parks his car). It was completely out of the blue. I asked him where did daddy hit you and he kept pointing to his tummy. And then also said ‘butt’ and pointed to his bum. He was telling me to ‘take doctors’ as whenever he’s had an accident and been hurt, I’ve taken him in to be checked over. I then tried to get my phone, to get evidence of him saying it, as I thought it would be necessary if I need to file concerns for his safety. I don’t know if it sounds like I was talking him into it in the recording, I just needed a repeat of what he told me himself. He kept saying ‘susy helped’ him in the car and that he smacked the car. He was basically saying he was smacked for hitting my ex’s car and that his half sister was comforting him. I spoke to my own mum about it and she told me to hold off for now and play by ear before doing anything about it.

I had more of a think today and I said to my ex that I don’t feel comfortable handing him over this weekend if I don’t feel my son is safe. My ex kept reiterating that he’s never hit him, that he’s a good man, that there are witnesses there every weekend to see he isn’t being hit or smacked. When I mentioned all the times he said he would smack him I was called evil and a liar, so he is attempting to gaslight me. He started saying that his daughter was a witness that nothings ever happened but then I thought to myself she was there on speakerphone when he told me to smack him.

What should I do here? Am I overreacting or is this necessary to keep my son away? Should I contact DSS? He kept saying that if I wouldn’t let him take our son tomorrow then he would contact police and DSS himself.. we don’t have a court order or anything in writing about custody. I know that corporal punishment is technically legal but I do not feel comfortable sending my son there.

I should also mention, that he has a recording of me slapping him during our time together (at the end) and he always holds it over my head with custody, DSS etc. He was abusive to me but he chose which recordings stay or go. I am obviously concerned about how the recording is being used to manipulate me but I don’t feel like I can let it get in the way of protecting my son. Thoughts please.

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Fridafever · 31/12/2021 06:44

I’m sorry OP but the calling him to speak to your tantruming son is horrible. You know he hits him, what was that if not wanting your son to be scared into behaving.

Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 06:47

@mathanxiety

It’s a casual arrangement. I’ve been told the court process takes 2-3 years because of covid and I have to attend a mediation first and prove arrangements couldn’t be resolved before applying to court. I’m not sure how I can have these safety concerns addressed in a 2/3 year timeframe as I highly doubt he would agree to supervised contact willingly. There isn’t anything dictating that he MUST have him on weekends, but I am sad to say that he is fully financially supporting us (paying rent etc), as I have been on a bridging visa for the last two years and it isn’t yet legal for me to work. We spent 3 months in a refuge before I was able to make this living/financial arrangement happen and I’m obviously anxious about putting my children through that again (we also have an 8 month old but he never spends time alone with her due to her separation anxiety). He threatened to not pay rent, maintenance etc after I stopped sleepovers but it turned out to be an empty threat after I stuck to my word. Not sure what will happen now I’ve stopped visits altogether.

He was fed, woke up an hour prior from his nap and otherwise happy before the meltdown. Shopping trips usually aren’t treated as a fun excursion but it was on the way back from the park. Generally I handle the tantrums but I hadn’t slept all night, there was no means of distracting him or cheering him up during that half hour. It was a particularly bad day for me and I felt pretty desperate for any help I could get. I thought speaking to his dad would help. I had run out of options and carrying him wasn’t an option.

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Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 06:48

@mathanxiety

A play therapist is a good option. What do you think about involving DSS or police at this point? Surely if I see a play therapist they have a duty to report it anyway?

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R0tational · 31/12/2021 06:49

I hope you get some help OP. This is awful and isnt right. He is a baby. I am sorry I dont know what to advise. Just wanted to lend support.

milkieway · 31/12/2021 06:55

OP I'm so sorry he is abusing both you and your children

Domestic abuse isn't just physical - he has control over you and is using it to threaten you - what happened in the refuge why did you have to leave to go back to your ex?

Please call for help I don't know Australia services but I would ring a helpline to get some proper advice

www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/where-to-get-help-for-domestic-violence?context=60033

Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:05

@mathanxiety

I tried to speak to the ex last year. He does hold compromising material over her - such as the fact she was an illegal immigrant and he can find out how much she owes the tax office etc. I tried to confide in her before I moved out last year and it completely backfired, she seems to cover for/protect the ex. They spend Christmas etc together and are now quite chummy since my ex and I split up. I also recall my ex stating that she used to slap their daughter all the time and that it made him very upset... so at this point I didn’t think he was the type to do this himself and I don’t think she will side with me on this issue.

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milkieway · 31/12/2021 07:06

Has he ever physically hurt you OP?

Your right there is no point going to play therapist - and they have professional duty to refer on anyway to social services I think that it's understandable your nervous about social services but they aren't the enemy they would be very used to situations like this

your worried your child is at risk of physical violence (which it seems like you are) the main priority is keeping him safe right now

Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:09

@milkieway

At the time I was in the refuge I was 7 months pregnant and they advised moving us over to another refuge for a long term solution. I didn’t want to be in this situation and desperately wanted a nest for my son and my new baby. I didn’t go back to him, just made an agreement that he would pay rent and he could see them on weekends. He was emotionally and physically abusive but again I have very little evidence other than my account of it. I retaliated once or twice after being pushed to my limits and of course him being the one with the recording device could choose which recordings stay or go - he’s been holding this over me ever since as obviously he could use to have majority custody and I obviously know that he isn’t fit to care for them given his temper.

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Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:12

@Fridafever

He’s threatened at points he’s been pushed to his limits and he’s in the situation himself - it’s more of a temper issue. He can be frank and level headed if he isn’t in the situation himself and so he was able to have a neutral word with him and explain that he needed to listen to what mummy says, etc. I didn’t put my son on the phone to a screaming, threatening man if that’s the insinuation.

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Kittykat93 · 31/12/2021 07:17

Sorry op but why are you allowing this to happen? You know damn well he's hitting your son. Who the fuck hits a 2 year old?? Also relying on him to help you with shopping and lifts etc, you need to stop and figure out your independence away from this arsehole. And never threaten your child with ringing his dad...here's a newsflash - toddlers have tantrums, deal with it yourself. I'd be doing anything I could to keep that father away from my son if It was me, not messaging him all the time asking for lifts and calling him when my son was misbehaving. Really odd behaviour.

Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:17

@mathanxiety

My ex said that if he couldn’t collect our son tomorrow morning as usual, that he would be phoning the police and social services himself. I said that there is nothing in writing that dictates he must have him every weekend. If social services became involved, I think they would state I was doing the right thing but maybe they will view the fact I’m financially dependent on him as negative against me/failing to protect.

I don’t want to get slapped with parental alienation but then if I continue with visits and state XYZ happened over this timeframe, it raises questions as to why I let my son continue to go there. It could easily backfire on me.

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milkieway · 31/12/2021 07:20

@Redpoppies92 I understand you didn't want to be in the position of the refuge - but youre now back in the clutches of an abusive man both physically and emotionally/financially controlling. Being in this position is putting your children at huge risk.

milkieway · 31/12/2021 07:22

@Kittykat93

Sorry op but why are you allowing this to happen? You know damn well he's hitting your son. Who the fuck hits a 2 year old?? Also relying on him to help you with shopping and lifts etc, you need to stop and figure out your independence away from this arsehole. And never threaten your child with ringing his dad...here's a newsflash - toddlers have tantrums, deal with it yourself. I'd be doing anything I could to keep that father away from my son if It was me, not messaging him all the time asking for lifts and calling him when my son was misbehaving. Really odd behaviour.
OP is also being abused and controlled if you read the follow up posts
Kittykat93 · 31/12/2021 07:24

[quote Redpoppies92]@mathanxiety

My ex said that if he couldn’t collect our son tomorrow morning as usual, that he would be phoning the police and social services himself. I said that there is nothing in writing that dictates he must have him every weekend. If social services became involved, I think they would state I was doing the right thing but maybe they will view the fact I’m financially dependent on him as negative against me/failing to protect.

I don’t want to get slapped with parental alienation but then if I continue with visits and state XYZ happened over this timeframe, it raises questions as to why I let my son continue to go there. It could easily backfire on me.[/quote]

I'd be calling social services on him for hitting an extremely young child.

milkieway · 31/12/2021 07:26

[quote Redpoppies92]@mathanxiety

My ex said that if he couldn’t collect our son tomorrow morning as usual, that he would be phoning the police and social services himself. I said that there is nothing in writing that dictates he must have him every weekend. If social services became involved, I think they would state I was doing the right thing but maybe they will view the fact I’m financially dependent on him as negative against me/failing to protect.

I don’t want to get slapped with parental alienation but then if I continue with visits and state XYZ happened over this timeframe, it raises questions as to why I let my son continue to go there. It could easily backfire on me.[/quote]
No OP I don't think they'll see it as negative -'just another bit of evidence he is controlling you - they will be very used to these situations

Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:28

@Kittykat93

I didn’t threaten my son with a phone call, my son was perfectly happy to speak to his dad. Abusers aren’t abusive 100% of the time and it’s easy for him to have a frank conversation when he isn’t the one in the midst of the tantrum

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Kittykat93 · 31/12/2021 07:28

I have read the follow up posts, thanks though.

Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:30

@Kittykat93

I actually asked my son if he would like to speak to his dad and he said yes and actually got up off the ground when I wasn’t able to. Until you’re under chronic stress and taking care of two infants alone on 3 hours of sleep, you’re not in a position to judge me for using a last resort

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Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:32

@Kittykat93 and by no means did my ex use any intimidation in the phone call otherwise I wouldn’t of allowed the call to proceed. The one other occasion someone else spoke to my son during a difficult outing was my mother who’s in the U.K. which was before this incident. The novelty of speaking to someone besides myself was enough for him to forget about the tantrum he was having. My mum wasn’t awake at this point as it was the middle of the night U.K. time

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Kittykat93 · 31/12/2021 07:33

[quote Redpoppies92]@Kittykat93 and by no means did my ex use any intimidation in the phone call otherwise I wouldn’t of allowed the call to proceed. The one other occasion someone else spoke to my son during a difficult outing was my mother who’s in the U.K. which was before this incident. The novelty of speaking to someone besides myself was enough for him to forget about the tantrum he was having. My mum wasn’t awake at this point as it was the middle of the night U.K. time[/quote]

You said he was saying to smack him on the phone though?

Kittykat93 · 31/12/2021 07:36

[quote Redpoppies92]@Kittykat93

I actually asked my son if he would like to speak to his dad and he said yes and actually got up off the ground when I wasn’t able to. Until you’re under chronic stress and taking care of two infants alone on 3 hours of sleep, you’re not in a position to judge me for using a last resort[/quote]

You know nothing about my life but trust me I know what chronic stress and sleep deprivation is. Still wouldn't be passive about a bloke hitting my 2 year old though.

GrendelsGrandma · 31/12/2021 07:40

You've got the names of your son and his half sister in there OP, could be outing if you're worried about that

Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:40

@Kittykat93
I think it says more about you than me that you would assume I made the phone call in an attempt to intimidate or scare my son. I could hear the whole phone call between them and nothing was said that would warrant even hanging up.

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Redpoppies92 · 31/12/2021 07:50

@milkieway

I’m concerned because after my daughter was born (second baby) I explained some of the history with my ex to the family health nurse. I wasn’t aware but she reported some of his controlling behaviours to DSS and she said to me that accepting financial support from him could be seen as a ‘failure to protect’ from the viewpoint of social services and could have implications with my custody of my children.

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LadyWithLapdog · 31/12/2021 08:09

OP I think you are in a different country and need legal advice. You'll only upset a lot of people who see an abused child and mother with no means of helping and distressing you further in the process.