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Nursing a toddler

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BrownEyedSquirrel · 26/07/2021 00:01

I've chosen to nurse my toddler until at least 2. It's right for us and, frankly, DS wouldn't have it any other way. Total boob monster. He's now 20 months.
Due to COVID, I've had limited experience of nursing around others.
I've had 2 negative experiences this week that have left a sour taste in my mouth.

A good friend was over and when DS asked to be nursed she made a face and told me he was "too old" now he can ask for it. I laughed it off.
Today, another friend acted funny when DS wanted to be nursed after he tripped and grazed his knee when out on a walk.

Neither friends have children; I'm not sure if this is relevant.

Is it really that weird to nurse your own child simply because they're walking and talking? What's the "acceptable" cut off age and why?

AIBU to think that those who don't like it can keep their opinions to themselves?

I'm feeling really self conscious about nursing him when out and about now, but I don't want to feel that way.

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Daenarys · 27/07/2021 22:37

Fed both of mine til they were over 2. I agree with prev posters....you get a thick skin. I just chose to ignore looks/comments as I knew its was right for us.

ShinyGreenElephant · 27/07/2021 22:39

@HerMammy yeah and I cant see why that would possibly be an issue? We'd been sat there for 45 mins, she'd done her sticker book, wandered round looking at stuff, played peekaboo with the baby. We didn't have a drink with us and it was warm in there. Shes only 2 and a half. Why on earth are you looking down your nose about something that couldn't be more natural and healthy? Very strange

HerMammy · 27/07/2021 22:40

@Bitofachinwag
Are you being deliberately obtuse? It’s quite clear what I’m meaning. Op and other pp saying child is asking to be ‘fed’ when they grazed a knee, are bored, warm.
I don’t recall mine asking for anything to eat in those circumstances 🤷🏼‍♀️
That’s using the breast as a pacifier not a need for a drink or nutrition.

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HerMammy · 27/07/2021 22:42

@ShinyGreenElephant
Someone not sharing your opinion isn’t looking down their nose at you or strange.
More strange that you don’t think to take water/juice for a toddler and make a nail sallon a family outing.

boydy99 · 27/07/2021 22:42

@clartymare love your username!

In answer to your question, one of the first things newborns find comforting is suckling and i guess that continues as a comfort, my toddler often suckles for comfort and i don't think he gets much milk during that time, he isnt really trying to get milk. I dont really view breastfeeding as food anymore, he certainly still gets plenty and when he's ill it's helpful as he doesn't eat much. I guess it's similar to giving a dummy for comfort? dummies were obviously invented as a dummy of breast, so I guess that's what it's comparable to. it doesn't feel like to me that its an unhealthy association of comfort with food. hope that helps! Grin

ShinyGreenElephant · 27/07/2021 22:45

@HerMammy everything is a family outing when you're a single mum of three. And your tone is extremely superior for someone who clearly isn't at all educated on breastfeeding 🙄

clartymare · 27/07/2021 22:46

that does make sense @boydy99 :) and thank you, I am rather fond of it myself Grin
It just interests me as so many people judge me for the fact DS still has a dummy (just for soothing to sleep, not at all outside of that unless he finds a random one and pops it in!) at his age, but breast feeding for comfort or the suckling for comfort at this age is actively encouraged - I'm not having a dig at all as I suspect if it had worked out for me I would still be doing it too!

Bitofachinwag · 27/07/2021 22:51

[quote HerMammy]@ShinyGreenElephant
Someone not sharing your opinion isn’t looking down their nose at you or strange.
More strange that you don’t think to take water/juice for a toddler and make a nail sallon a family outing.[/quote]
Surely juice isn't good for toddlers' teeth? And should they really need a drink of juice at a nail salon? How about waiting until they get home?

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DojoWojo · 27/07/2021 22:51

[quote HerMammy]@Bitofachinwag
Are you being deliberately obtuse? It’s quite clear what I’m meaning. Op and other pp saying child is asking to be ‘fed’ when they grazed a knee, are bored, warm.
I don’t recall mine asking for anything to eat in those circumstances 🤷🏼‍♀️
That’s using the breast as a pacifier not a need for a drink or nutrition.[/quote]

But why is that an issue? Bfing is a great comfort for toddlers, even better than cuddles and magic 'kiss it better'. I've had enough of bfing but my 3yo still asks sometimes because "boobie makes me happy". Why would I take something away from him that makes him happy? I do limit it a lot, and it's only if it's convenient but that's the same for lots of things with modern living.

Poppop4 · 27/07/2021 22:53

I will hold my hands up and admit before I had kids I thought extended breastfeeding was weird. I would never have said anything to anyone or pulled my face if they did it around me because it’s none of my business but I used to think in my head my god that’s weird. Now I’m a mother I get it! I couldn’t breastfeed but still totally get it.
Maybe they just don’t get it either? It’s incredibly rude and nasty to say something though.
I was oblivious to this stuff before kids, I guess once I was pregnant I become more educated on the subject so was able to understand it more

HerMammy · 27/07/2021 22:56

@ShinyGreenElephant
🤣🤣
not educated in BF ok,
wonder how my 4DC were fed.
Nothing in my tone is superior, my opinion is just different from yours which obviously isn’t something you like, but if you feel the need to insult anyone who disagree with you, charge on 🙄

Badabingbadabum · 27/07/2021 22:57

Before dd1 was born I assumed I would feed her until about 6 months. I fed her until she was about 22ish months. I was pregnant with dd2 and it just became to uncomfortable. She was fine stopping. She had dummies until she was 4 though, we had to battle toget those off her! I have just finished feeding dd2 who is 4. It has only been in the morning for thethelast year or so and she asks sometimes but I say no and she's not bothered. I never expected to bf this long but it just ended up that way. I think I stopped feeding her in public when she was about 2.5 but mostly because it was awkward physically!

I'm not sure the majority of people even notice and even fewer who do and care can be bothered to say anything. I also see my breasts as mine. Not my dcs, not my husbands. Mine. And actually, they look really good, not at all saggy.

BrownEyedSquirrel · 27/07/2021 23:01

@clartymare I think that's a good question and it's not something I've thought about.

I do get PPs point that you shouldn't just give your toddler something because they ask for it. I regularly refuse to nurse when he asks (I do this all the time, both inside and outside of the home!)
I was more asking about when he asks, we're out of the house and it's a reasonable request. Recently this has been when landing on a plane, when he grazed his knee, when he was over-tired at a late night bbq. As I said, now lockdown is easing, I've only just started to pay attention to the fact that the public can be uneasy with a mother nursing their toddler when out and about.
I appreciate people's comments, whether they agree with it or not. I'm also curious to know if opinions are changing with time.

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Poppins2016 · 27/07/2021 23:21

This is an interesting topic...

Before I had my son I recall thinking it was 'unusual' that a friend of mine still nursed her 1 year old (but didn't say anything).

Then I breastfed my own child and did so until my son was about 2.5 years old. I was still nursing in public when my son was over 2 if he needed it.

I'm due my second in a few weeks and fully expect (and hope!) to breastfeed until 2+ again!

A couple of my favourite parenting sentiments which I think are relevant in your situation:

  1. Your child, your decision how to parent.

  2. The only perfect parent is someone without children (aka don't judge unless you've experienced it yourself).

BertieBotts · 28/07/2021 08:33

I can try and answer some of the questions people have.

Why is it OK to feed/breastfeed for comfort but not give snacks/formula milk for comfort? Should we be encouraging this association?
I was reading a book about BF recently and the author pointed out that she does not like the term "feeding" as in being short for "breastfeeding" because breastfeeding is very much more than just nutrition, and I kind of agree. Perhaps it's hard to get your head around if you haven't done it, or didn't continue past the point where it is strongly about nutrition which is more like up to about a year. I think it's more similar as a process to using a dummy, having a comfort blanket/muslin, or sucking thumb/fingers. All rolled in with a cuddle of course as well. The fact they get a little bit of milk while they do it is sort of incidental, although in an evolutionary sense it makes sense that they still get all those benefits - the antibodies etc delivered in little boosts, kind of like a vitamin shot - even past the point where they actually need to "feed" from mum to sustain themselves. Did you know that when children are older, the concentration of antibodies in mums' milk is actually higher? It's thought this is a response to the fact they are taking much less milk, but their immune systems are not yet mature. The milk isn't needed nutritionally, but that doesn't mean it is without benefit. But it's not really feeding, in the sense of filling up their tummy with sustenance.

So I think the main problem here might be our word for it. Because yes, if you take the term "feeding" out of context of breastfeeding and think about having a little stash of sandwiches or a protein shake or chocolate bar and any time your child is tired/unsure/hurts themselves then you start feeding them with these items then that would be a little bit weird, and potentially a problem in terms of creating an association between food and discomfort. But nobody would think it was weird or inappropriate for a child to have a cuddle or be given their comfort toy/blanket or even a dummy up to a certain age, in that situation. Of course we want children to eventually be able to cope with disappointment, anxiety etc without these things but not at 2/3 years old. And if we're talking about breastfed 4/5/6 year olds, they are typically not using breastfeeding in this way most of the time by that age, even if they might still use it as they fall asleep (as many children of this age and even older still use a comfort toy or blanket or suck their thumb to fall asleep).

Possibly this is why some people use the word "nursing" instead? I don't mind the word "breastfeeding" but I do think the association with "feeding" can be an issue.

Why is it advised to stop using bottles and dummies past age 1 but not breastfeeding?
Well first I'd say I've never come across any recommendation to stop using dummies at age 1, although it's possible I just haven't been looking very hard. It seems culturally acceptable to use them until around 3 or 4 at which point people seem to think it's a bit old - they certainly sell them in shops up to age 24-36 months, whereas I've never seen baby bottles marketed at this age range, more sippy/straw/sports type cups and bottles for toddlers. I have seen that toddlers learning to speak should not be allowed to walk around with a dummy, this is to do with the fact it's preventing them from speaking clearly. It's not really the same with breastfeeding because they can't wander around while attached to your boob - they have to sit still.

For bottles, it's partly about the shape of a bottle and the way liquids constantly drip out of it and can harm the teeth if children have constant access to one, particularly when they have fallen asleep. If the bottle is in their mouth then the contents will pool at the back of the lower teeth and there is a particular cavity pattern associated with this. By comparison, breastfeeding doesn't do this as milk is only released when the child is actively sucking and once they have fallen asleep, they stop. But the other problem is the actual content of the bottle itself. It's likely that a child being given only water in a bottle isn't at particular risk for anything at all, but giving them drinks like squash, juice, cow's milk or formula can be harmful as all of these contain sugars. Breastmilk also contains sugars, but it also crucially contains live enzymes which eat/attack the kinds of bacteria which cause tooth decay, and therefore it is not as harmful to teeth as these other drinks which might be given in a bottle past a year of age. However, I have read that it's important to brush teeth before breastfeeding to sleep as apparently the effect of breastmilk + sugar on the teeth from food or drink the child has had during the day can be quite bad, whereas breastmilk on clean teeth is not harmful in itself.

How does breastfeeding them teach them to self-regulate?
It's not actually appropriate to expect a child of age 2/3 years old to be able to completely self-regulate. They are usually able to do this for some experiences, but others they still need more of a co-regulation approach where someone trusted and calm helps them to calm down and process difficult feelings. Breastfeeding is just one tool which can be used to co-regulate. As children get older, they tend to be more open to other ways such as verbally processing something, problem solving, letting off steam in physical ways etc but children under about 3/4 can't really do this reliably yet. Breastfeeding helps because it's not only a source of comfort as discussed earlier, but also because it triggers hormonal feedback which helps children to calm down, something that they are not always able to do for themselves but will learn to do in time. And as others have said, it's not as though it's the only tool in a box. Someone using it literally for every single little thing would be inappropriate, but that's not very likely, and I think people who make this assumption often don't actually have any experience of feeding an older child and are therefore making an assumption rather than an actual observation.

ShinyGreenElephant · 28/07/2021 08:37

@HerMammy breastfeeding 4 babies doesn't make you educated on breastfeeding in general. You would only have to do the most basic level of reading on the subject to know that 2 years is the minimum recommended age and there are many benefits up to natural term (age 5-7). Lots of posters have said it makes them feel uncomfortable- that's fair enough. But you seem to be arguing repeatedly that its unnecessary/ not beneficial to toddlers which simply isn't true at all. The fact is that breastfeeding is completely natural, and there's no reason why a carton of juice is a better drink to give a 2 year old than breastmilk, whether I'm in a nail salon, in the cinema, in bed or on the beach.

Funkmaster · 28/07/2021 08:56

I fed til my oldewt was 2yrs 3 months and she stopped of her own accord when i was pregnant. I had terrible aversion anyway. I felt bereft. My second stopped at just over a year and i was again, very bereft especially thinking of all the toddler cuddles i would miss. It is a fantastic tool for calming toddlers. I can testify managing my second without having breastfeeding up my sleeve has been a pita. Its noone elses business, politely tell them to F off.

Maggiesfarm · 28/07/2021 09:09

Usually at that age it would only be at night and perhaps early morning so doing it in public would not happen. Not that anyone should judge, it's up to you what you do.

FizzyBiscuits · 28/07/2021 09:11

For all those thinking it's strange to breastfeed a toddler... it's not like one day you find a toddler to feed (exaggeration I know). You don't notice them growing. You just comfort and feed them one day after the next and they become a toddler so gradually. For those seeing you feed a toddler, it may be a surprise. But, if it's your toddler, it's the most natural and gradual transition ever.

I fed mine for 2y9m and 2 years (with an overlap too!).

moimichme · 28/07/2021 09:49

I'm still breastfeeding my nearly 4.5 year old at night before he goes to sleep. I still nursed him in public on occasion until 2.5 ish - not every time he asked. I'm not sure how much milk he is getting now tbh (especially in the recent hot weather!) but it helps him wind down at night. He says he wants to keep going until he is 5. I'm not sure if we'll make it to that age, especially when he starts school, but if we do, so be it. No one else's business and doesn't affect anyone else but us. Good luck OP.

Hatethisplacetho · 28/07/2021 09:51

Breastfeeding makes all kinds of people “feel weird” for all kinds of nonsensical, judgemental, and frankly misogynistic reasons. Our boobs are not made to sit around in nice bras and titillate the male gaze. We have boobs in order to feed our children and anyone who feels weird about that is frankly disconnected from human biology. I still bf my 20 month old, I am starting to hate it now she has teeth and is strong and demanding, but we are easing off slowly and I know it won’t last forever. More power to the mums who are selfless and kind enough to keep bf their toddlers. It’s not easy.

CosilyRosily · 28/07/2021 10:07

Thank you for this thread. I am currently breastfeeding my one year old and was considering transitioning onto cow's milk but it sounds like there are lots of great reasons to continue a little longer.

northstars · 28/07/2021 10:24

OP, I am “still” breastfeeding my 4 year old. It wasn’t something I planned to do, and I never thought I’d go on this long, but it just happened. I started feeling self conscious after she turned 18 months or so, and now only feed her for a couple of minutes every couple of days. It brings her comfort and it’s a lovely way to bond with her, especially now she is so much more independent.

When I’ve (tentatively) mentioned it to friends, some have been shocked, while others have said that they do the same. As long as you’re both happy, keep going, it’s a beautiful thing, and more people than you realise may be doing the same.

AlwaysLatte · 28/07/2021 10:26

I think it's brilliant to carry on and to still be sharing such a wonderful thing. I would have too if my two had not been so fussy feeders! Ignore the ignorants.

ParadiseLaundry · 28/07/2021 10:54

Excellent post @BertieBotts.

People seem to think

bottle feeding formula = a way of putting milk into a baby

Breastfeeding = just another way of putting milk into a baby

but it's SO much more complicated than that and even a lot of HCP don't seem to understand that it's different. Breastfeeding a toddler is the biological norm. I always like to think that if someone is shocked when they see you feeding a toddler, the next time they see you or someone else doing it they will be slightly less shocked and so on and hopefully it slowly changes the way people feel about it.

Yours sincerely,

Someone who once bf her 3 year old in Starbucks Grin

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