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Need advice, vaccines.

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Mommaxx · 25/03/2019 20:21

Hi, I'm sure this has been posted before at some point but I'm just looking for advice on people who gave there child (or is going to) the MMR vaccines (and the hib menB and pcv that are given on the same day/time)
My baby has had all her injections from when she was born and the next coming up are her one year old ones. But I'm having people tell me it causes autism? People sending me links of baby's before and after the jabs? A perfectly healthy baby and suddenly is fitting everyday and has developed basically autism and wasn't the same again? Is this true? I don't want my baby getting ill by not getting it done and I was happily going to do it but no way do I want to make her change into someone different. I've seen loads of baby's that haven't changed from having though? But what are your thoughts?

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Mommaxx · 25/03/2019 20:45

@kingfisherblue33 yes that is true! And because it was actually one of my "friends" which to be honest isn't much of a friend telling me to not vaccinate my daughter

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Banksy13 · 25/03/2019 20:53

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
One of my all time favourite websites Grin

ArfArfBarf · 25/03/2019 20:53

Lots of (peer-reviewed) research to show level of aluminium in vaccinations is not harmful.

But more importantly, MMR doesn’t contain aluminium. So that’s a clue this friend of yours is talking bollocks to start with.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Mommaxx · 25/03/2019 20:55

@Banksy13 lol I'm gonna send this to the next person who try's tell me it causes autism!

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GirlfriendInAKorma · 25/03/2019 21:41

A girl in my DD's nursery was not vaccinated and she got measles - which meant that everyone else was put at risk (as well as her, poor little thing).

One of the nursery nurses was pregnant. One of the parents was very ill and vulnerable to diseases. Panic stations all round.

I had to take my DD to get an extra booster as she had been in close contact with someone with it.

I have to admit I did feel really quite cross that the parents hadn't vaccinated her. Seems so silly to put her at risk (and other people) when the vaccines are readily available and all scientific studies say they are absolutely safe (apart from the one that was completely made up!).

JK2012 · 25/03/2019 21:50

The mmr/autism link has been disproven. Look it up. No proof at all.

My eldest has autism but he had it before his mmr, he was born with it and there were subtle signs as a baby that I didn’t notice then, but I would now looking back.

JK2012 · 25/03/2019 21:51

I was recently asked if I thought the mmr caused my sons autism? Of course I don’t.

emwithme · 25/03/2019 21:51

But wait...

Need advice, vaccines.
LilQueenie · 25/03/2019 21:59

no vaccine is 100% safe therefore you have taken those risks already. As for the mmr the reasons to avoid are as follows: Some people should not get this vaccine

Has any severe, life-threatening allergies. A person who has ever had a life-threatening allergic reaction after a dose of MMR vaccine, or has a severe allergy to any part of this vaccine, may be advised not to be vaccinated. Ask your health care provider if you want information about vaccine components.
Is pregnant, or thinks she might be pregnant. Pregnant women should wait to get MMR vaccine until after they are no longer pregnant. Women should avoid getting pregnant for at least 1 month after getting MMR vaccine.
Has a weakened immune system due to disease (such as cancer or HIV/AIDS) or medical treatments (such as radiation, immunotherapy, steroids, or chemotherapy).
Has a parent, brother, or sister with a history of immune system problems.
Has ever had a condition that makes them bruise or bleed easily.
Has recently had a blood transfusion or received other blood products. You might be advised to postpone MMR vaccination for 3 months or more.
Has tuberculosis.
Has gotten any other vaccines in the past 4 weeks. Live vaccines given too close together might not work as well.
Is not feeling well. A mild illness, such as a cold, is usually not a reason to postpone a vaccination. Someone who is moderately or severely ill should probably wait. Your doctor can advise you.

parietal · 25/03/2019 22:02

Vaccines save lives and without them, children can die of illnesses like measles.
www.roalddahl.com/roald-dahl/timeline/1960s/november-1962

72 people died of measles in Europe in 2018 and this number is increasing because people aren't vaccinating their kids
www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l634

SexTrainGlue · 25/03/2019 22:12

"In England in 2018 there were 913 cases of measles - a huge jump on 2017’s 200 cases"

But less than half the number in 2012 and 2013.

It does however become more worrying when outbreaks get larger. And it is likely that there is a pool of vulnerable young adults ie those who did not receive vax in late90s/early00s (after the Lancet published but before the further research which debunked it all). A small outbreak in a university city could spread rapidly.

Mommaxx · 25/03/2019 22:35

What kind of signs would a baby with autism show?

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Fliss689 · 25/03/2019 23:37

My baby had measles last week! She has had one mmr jab and like the doctor said “the problem is these people who won’t vaccinate their children and causing potentially life threatening illness’ to vulnerable children” My daughter has had her first mmr jab but not due second for another two years! Vaccinate because I can she’s as hell tell you measles is not pleasant for anyone let alone a baby!

TigerQuoll · 26/03/2019 08:25

the-riotact.com/measles-alert-after-infectious-passenger-passes-though-canberra-airport/292762

I am glad I live in a country where measles is so rare that if a foreigner with the disease visits for 49 minutes it is worthy of a news article to warn everyone

Goldmandra · 26/03/2019 08:46

What kind of signs would a baby with autism show?

There were subtle signs with both my DDs but the problem with ASD is that most of the behaviours are also present to a different extent in neurotypical children.

For example, my DD1 was a ridiculously poor sleeper. That was a symptom of her ASD and it was extreme. However, lots of parents say their child is a poor sleeper. It takes a lot of drilling down to establish which cases are extreme.

My DD2 didn't really make eye contact during BFing. I put it down to the fact that BFing turns their head away in comparison to formula feeding. It was a symptom of her ASD but I wouldn't want someone whose baby BFs at such an angle that they can't easily make eye contact to worry.

Part of the problem with the MMR is that it's really common for children with ASD to experience a regression in the months following the age they would usually receive the vaccination. That creates a false link in people's minds and anti-vaxers think it's proof. It isn't and that regression happens in non-vaccinated babies too.

You need to file the vaccine conspiracy theories alongside the flat earthers, the "we never landed on the moon"ers and those who deny the holocaust. Just shrug and move on.

There's no cast iron guarantee that vaccination is going to give the best outcome for your DC because rare vaccination reactions do happen and for a very small number of children, the vaccine doesn't work but the chances of your child coming to harm if you don't vaccinate are hugely increased.

A lot of parenting is about making a judgement based on the information available to you and hoping you got it right. This is no different. Please just base your decision on reputable information from qualified professionals in the field, not conspiracy theorists and people who are looking for excuses not to stick nasty needles in their precious snowflake babies.

mummabubs · 26/03/2019 08:54

I think the fact you've heard what your "friend" has told you and then sought other opinions is actually a positive sign OP.

As many previous posters have observed the "Dr" who fabricated results and misled millions, Andrew Wakefield, was actually stripped of his Doctor title and banned from practicing medicine in the UK by the GMC because of the damage he has created with his lies. There is no evidence that the MMR vaccine causes autism. If a child does have autism this is usually diagnosed at age 2 (at the absolute earliest) as many babies will at times display behaviours that might be seen as lying on the spectrum as part of completely normal development. Any risks associated with vaccines are far outweighed by the benefits of being vaccinated. Thank you for saying you will continue to vaccinate your child and for listening to the logic and facts posted by people here. 😊

MumUndone · 26/03/2019 08:56

People still believe this? Really??

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 26/03/2019 09:04

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffhi1CPzT48

But seriously, there is absolutely no link whatsoever between vaccines and autism. Fact.
www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20190304/largest-study-ever-finds-no-link-between-measles-vaccine-autism

Jackshouse · 26/03/2019 09:12

There is no peer reviewed evidenced that suggests the MMR vaccines causes autism. There is plenty of proof that the diseases that the MMR protects against can cause long term disabilities and even death.

Having said that my DD was unwell for about 6 weeks after the MMR so I would considered a vaccination schedule rather than having them all at once. I will also be getting the chicken pox vaccine privately.

coffeeforone · 26/03/2019 09:27

I don't believe a vaccine can cause autism. But look at it this way, would you rather risk getting the disease (that can kill)? Even if there were a very small risk, I'd take it over the risk of death.

SosigDog · 26/03/2019 09:28

I totally understand how OP feels. We want to keep our kids safe and it’s worrying when someone suggests that vaccines are dangerous. Even if it’s a load of nonsense and multiple studies have proved they’re perfectly safe, and the doctor who said they weren’t safe has been struck off, etc. The seed of doubt and fear has already been sown. I had my DC vaccinated but I was still worried sick because of all the rumours.

Langrish · 26/03/2019 19:52

SosigDog: that’s why I was so pleased to hear Matt Hancock saying this morning that the Government us finally legislating to force social media platforms to take down mis-information and bad science posted by anti-vaxxers as soon as it appears. New patents have enough real concerns in those early weeks without all that bo**ocks muddying the waters.

Langrish · 26/03/2019 19:52

Parents, even

Mommaxx · 26/03/2019 20:24

I am only 19 and have made sure my baby has had all her jabs and she was very upset for hours on end but that's expected after having that. I was all for it then I'm being shown videos of baby's before and after and makes me think what if she goes like that? But she will be having it done I'd never forgive myself if she got ill. But young parents being told not to vaccinate is getting worse and worse

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meditrina · 26/03/2019 23:41

Following on from TigerQuoll , I spotted these articles about measles and airports:

www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/3003225/aviation-authority-investigates-why-cathay-pacific-allowed (a pilot with measles to fly

www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3003380/five-more-hong-kong-residents-infected-measles (three of them airport workers)

www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3003103/more-measles-cases-likely-hit-hong-kong-disease (same number of cases already this year as in whole of 2018)

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