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How to be happy with mediocre?

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FattyFatCakes · 15/03/2019 17:23

All I want is for my children to be happy and to grow up to be decent, kind human beings. I know I am incredibly lucky to have happy, healthy children.

But I find myself constantly disappointed that they are never the ‘best’ at anything even though deep down I know it isn’t important. I am very careful not to show my disappointment and to praise their effort so they really enjoy taking part in things that they actually aren’t any good at. But how do i change this way of thinking?

My children are in primary school so the things I am talking about (reading competition, athletics match, nativity play etc) really do not matter but I’m worried this attitude will get worse as they get older and things do start to matter more.

I guess I am a bit of a perfectionist. Things came easily to me at school because I am really old for my year, the youngest of three kids and I had extremely supportive parents. So I find it hard to go from high achieving to average.

I can’t talk about this with anyone in real life because I just sound like a horribly entitled, comepetive mum. I don’t need to be told this, I just need advice on how to change please.

Thank you

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FattyFatCakes · 16/03/2019 07:50

Thank you. Sounds like I need to get stronger at withstanding the peer pressure

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Charom · 16/03/2019 08:27

You are the opposite to me. I used to tell my three DC to just get through each year. As teenagers they never did homework if they could get out it, though I would try to get them to do it each nightI. I was a single mother and they were good years, they were lovely teenagers. Not one passed year 12, the two eldest went to uni as mature age students and loved it. They did extremely well, my youngest is now at uni. They have all done exceptionally well as adults.

People have said to me that if you don’t get them into uni as soon as they finish school they won’t go. I found the opposite is true and have seen students who got top marks at high school and went to uni straight after burn out.

I would tell my DC when they were young they needed to get a good education when they were older. Maybe that stuck in their minds.

AndItStillSaidFourOfTwo · 16/03/2019 08:49

I'm a high academic achiever, as is dh. We put our hearts into 'vocation'-type professional careers. Our children (the older two, youngest is too young to tell) are bright but (and this is the bit I struggle with) terrible coasters. Not keen on putting in the effort to fulfil their potential, which is really considerable. I do find very frustrating that they don't shine as brightly as they could. What I have to ask myself there is am I wanting that light to fall on them, or on me? If it's about the latter, I need, however hard it is, to disengage. If it's about the former, I can (and do) impress on them the choices and opportunities in life fulfilling their potential brings, but also I will need to accept, eventually, that they may have very different ideas of 'fulfilling their potential' than I do.

I think the atmosphere of competition in your dc's school has a lot to answer for here. I think in certain circles the whole of parenting is seen in this way - look at the threads on here with people worrying their dc are 'behind' in things (which implies there is some kind of race). It may be that the more durable route to self-esteem for your children will involve them not 'coming out on top' at things - and not minding. Measuring themselves against themselves and not others.

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FattyFatCakes · 16/03/2019 09:10

It is an extremely competitive environment. Over the last couple of weeks we’ve had a rugby match (split into A, B team etc), World Book Day (best costume), Poetry competition, art competition and Easter Bonnet competition. Deep down I know that none of these things matter but it always seems to be the same children winning everything and I feel sad for my dc

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Margotshypotheticaldog · 16/03/2019 09:16

I'm afraid I come from the perspective of the child of a competitive mother. Please do try not to pass your disappointment on to your kids. I'm completely over identifying, but it was horrible to grow up knowing my mother was so disappointed in my average abilities.
Ironically, as an adult I am actually now very competitive in the 2 sports I play. Is that an option for you? To channel the energy into something for yourself not your kids?
That Philip Lsrkin poem is beautiful, exactly what I wish for my dd

Springwalk · 16/03/2019 09:29

I would be willing to guess your children are either in a very competitive environment and you feel they are falling short, or you are disappointed in yourself and are projecting on to them.

Your children do not need to be anything more than they are. If they are healthy, happy and well, what more could you possibly ask for? They have just started out in life, they have barely began how can you already decide they are destined to be entirely average? I was incredibly average, and went on to lead an incredible life as an adult. I know people are surprised and did not foresee any of it.

I would consider moving my kids out of an environment that was so competitive as to be affecting you the parent, as it must be having a huge impact on your kids if it is disturbing you. They are absorbing the fact they are not measuring up every single day. Not good.

Give them confidence, recognise they are unique. There is literally no one like your child. Look for things that make them special. It may not win them a gold cup but it doesn't have to.

Change the way you measure them. Be aware that those that are pushed and pushed may very well burn out (as happens with lots of kids once they get to the teenage years)

Have you thought about why they need to be special? Why they can't just simply be themselves?

If you are fed up with being just like everyone else, then stop being like everyone else and do something different! This is not about them, this is about you op.

FattyFatCakes · 16/03/2019 09:44

Really good to hear some other perspectives.
It’s so hard to explain what I mean. I’m really happy for them to be ‘average’ as i myself lead a very ordinary life and it is a hugely happy one. But I feel sad that however hard they try they never ‘win’ or are the ‘best’ at anything. Surely that can’t be good for their self esteem? I keep praising their effort and encouraging them but I just wish for once they could come out on top at something... anything. Even though I know these things don’t matter, I just think it would be such a boost. But obviously there can only be one winner and not everyone is ‘special’. And maybe I am projecting but I’m not sure what I’m projecting?! I don’t have low self esteem, and things came easily to me - as a result I am quite lazy, give up too easily and don’t always try my best. I was able to coast along whereas it all seems so bloody difficult for my dc. They try so much harder then I ever did and for such little reward. When did it all become so hard? Why can’t they just be children? They’re in primary ffs and it’s such a battlefield Sad

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NuffSaidSam · 16/03/2019 11:45

Are they bothered OP?

You seem to be saying two different things.

Firstly, that you want them to win at stuff and have to be careful not to show your disappointment. That they are happy doing stuff they're a bit rubbish at.

And then, that you don't mind, but they are suffering from low self esteem because they really want to win, try hard but never do well?

Which is it? Were they upset about the Easter bonnet competition or the poetry or art?

If they're upset and you're upset for them that's different to they're happily coasting along and you are upset for yourself that you haven't produced brighter more motivated children.

FattyFatCakes · 16/03/2019 12:04

No they’re not upset at all and I don’t think it’s affecting their self esteem. They seem happy to have a go. I feel upset on their behalf Confused

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Zenlifeforme · 17/03/2019 11:15

Mindfulness and meditation are awesome for seeing the wonder in the mediocre.

If you can get away for 10 days (unlikely I know) this will change your life forever: www.uk.dhamma.org/courses/10-day-courses/ or read the book The Art of Living www.abebooks.co.uk/ART-LIVING-HART-WILLIAM/30257505720/bd?cm_mmc=gmc--new--PLA-_-v01&gclid=CjwKCAjw4LfkBRBDEiwAc2DSlGGsxU5KrwxNir5cJDSaNMAs7b04ZJ65PdeGFyftLCcKQCSMNxN6dxoC5agQAvD_BwE

If not possible then trying a daily meditation, just 20 mins watching your breath or download the headspace app and follow that.

SeaRabbit · 17/03/2019 17:13

OP it sounds like a number of the competitions are the sort where the children do stuff outside school and take it in - and I know at DD school a lot of the time there was a lot of help from the parents for those who won. She never won a competition either.

DD's school gave all sorts of awards under complicated structures, and she was, thankfully never that bothered about them. Certainly she almost never got them. At the time I was a bit upset for her (& me, I know).

The first award she got I gave a lot of help with, as it had to be handed in the next day & we arrived back late from being away. It was actually really obvious that she'd had a lot of help, so I realised that the awards structure was ridiculous and never worried about it again.

Over time, as she grew older she began overtaking all the kids who'd won the competitions and had blazers bristling with badges for their awards. She's now at Oxford...

MadAboutWands · 17/03/2019 17:20

Maybe the issue is that to be able to achieve what you have achieved, you have needed a very strong internal drive. That drive is still with you and you are looking for it in your dcs.

FattyFatCakes · 17/03/2019 17:25

Thank you both.

We practice mindfulness with Aspergers DS1 as it helps with his anxiety but sounds like I could benefit from it as well.

Yes lots of the the awards are for stuff the nannies have done. And they are amazing whereas I don’t have a creative bone in my body!

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MadAboutWands · 17/03/2019 17:27

But I feel sad that however hard they try they never ‘win’ or are the ‘best’ at anything. Surely that can’t be good for their self esteem?

What I have tried to teach my dcs is to strive to do the best they can, to never give up because things are hard, to keep trying. But I’ve never expected them to be the best. (Being the best you can. Is very different than being the best)
That means that, when Dc2 was right at the bottom of the class in Y1 with his reading, I could be proud of him because he had done the best he could (rather than being the best). It meant HE could be proud of what he did too.

FWIW, Dc2 was NEVER chosen for anything and was actually always ‘forgotten’ as the silent calm child in the class. Now that he is studying his GCSE, he is doing very well. Maybe not just because he is ‘able’ but because he works hard, when things are tricky, he doesn’t give up and tries again.

geekymommy · 20/03/2019 14:53

You know what? Most of the kids who are exceptional in school are going to grow up and have a regular job, just like the average kids. I know this from personal experience, and I have come to the conclusion that it’s OK. I support myself, and I have come to terms with the fact that I will never do anything world changing.

The grass isn’t significantly greener on the other side of the fence, is what I’m saying here.

geekymommy · 20/03/2019 14:58

I felt bad for a long time about not living up to my potential. But I realized, I’m doing okay, and I don’t owe it to anybody to do any more than that. The world needs a lot of people who are doing okay in regular jobs.

FattyFatCakes · 20/03/2019 17:31

Thank you, good advice. I’m feeling a lot better after reading everyone’s comments.

I think I get anxious about ds1 being happy (because of his Aspergers) and then this spills over into wanting him to achieve success as I equate this with happiness? But deep down I know that doesn’t necessarily follow so I will try not to get sucked in to the very competitive nature of our school.

It’s only me who feels the pressure, the dc seem to cope really well and are happy to give everything a go!

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GreenTulips · 20/03/2019 17:59

DD extremely high achiever - never won anyrhing ever. Very few award points

DS low achiever, some behavior - gets all the certificates and awards going and ranks high in the points system

Why? Because that’s how it works.

geekymommy · 20/03/2019 18:54

I’m on the autism spectrum. I have what they used to call Asperger’s, but they don’t call it that any more here in the US.

I did fairly well in school, but not really anything exceptional. When I got to university and could specialize more in the subjects that interested me, then I did a lot better. I suspect something like this might be true for a lot of people on the autism spectrum who have special interests.

My best advice for you for now is to stand up for him if he’s being bullied (including bullying by family members), and make sure he’s getting any help he needs at school. Some things that aren’t difficult for other kids can be difficult for kids on the spectrum. We don’t have trouble with those things because we’re bad or lazy, they really are harder for us.

Also remember that emotions in people in the spectrum don’t always look the same as they do in other people, especially for kids. I don’t speak body language. I have learned to fake it to some degree, but that took time. I wasn’t able to do that as a kid, so it was harder to tell how I was feeling. I also had some experiences of being teased about my special interests, so I learned not to talk about them very much. I’m sure I seem much happier when I’m talking about them than I do when I’m trying to act normal.

geekymommy · 20/03/2019 19:02

Be sure to explain to him why important things are important. I hated (still do, actually) putting in anything above the minimum effort in things if I don’t like doing them and don’t understand why they are important. People don’t always tell kids why things they have to do for school are important (at least they didn’t in the US when I was in school. I didn’t put effort into something just because I was told to or just because somebody said it was important. I did a lot better if I understood why it was important. (Assuming it wasn’t for something like my parents’ social status or bragging rights- I still don’t understand that stuff, and I’m 44)

Fuzzyheadache · 20/03/2019 19:03

Being the top of everything brought nothing but misery to me. If I didn’t get the top of everything it was a major blow not only to me but my parents and did I know about it!
My OH was average and doesn’t have half the qualifications as I do, yet he is in a job he loves, earns a very decent wage and by successful. I am successful to a certain extent but nothing like him. What he does isn’t taught in schools, fair enough, English and maths help but again, average results. Life throws us in all directions

sortedsortof · 21/03/2019 09:45

Great piece by Alfie Kohn on the problem with competition....

The Case Against Competition
By Alfie Kohn

When it comes to competition, we Americans typically recognize only two legitimate positions: enthusiastic support and qualified support.

The first view holds that the more we immerse our children (and ourselves) in rivalry, the better. Competition builds character and produces excellence. The second stance admits that our society has gotten carried away with the need to be Number One, that we push our kids too hard and too fast to become winners — but insists that competition can be healthy and fun if we keep it in perspective.

I used to be in the second camp. But after investigating the topic for several years, looking at research from psychology, sociology, biology, education, and other fields, I’m now convinced that neither position is correct. Competition is bad news all right, but it’s not just that we overdo it or misapply it. The trouble lies with competition itself. The best amount of competition for our children is none at all, and the very phrase “healthy competition” is actually a contradiction in terms.

That may sound extreme if not downright un-American. But some things aren’t just bad because they’re done to excess; some things are inherently destructive. Competition, which simply means that one person can succeed only if others fail, is one of those things. It’s always unnecessary and inappropriate at school, at play, and at home.

Think for a moment about the goals you have for your children. Chances are you want them to develop healthy self-esteem, to accept themselves as basically good people. You want them to become successful, to achieve the excellence of which they’re capable. You want them to have loving and supportive relationships. And you want them to enjoy themselves.

These are fine goals. But competition not only isn’t necessary for reaching them — it actually undermines them.

Competition is to self-esteem as sugar is to teeth. Most people lose in most competitive encounters, and it’s obvious why that causes self-doubt. But even winning doesn’t build character; it just lets a child gloat temporarily. Studies have shown that feelings of self-worth become dependent on external sources of evaluation as a result of competition: Your value is defined by what you’ve done. Worse — you’re a good person in proportion to the number of people you’ve beaten.

In a competitive culture, a child is told that it isn’t enough to be good — he must triumph over others. Success comes to be defined as victory, even though these are really two very different things. Even when the child manages to win, the whole affair, psychologically speaking, becomes a vicious circle: The more he competes, the more he needs to compete to feel good about himself.

When I made this point on a talk show on national television, my objections were waved aside by the parents of a seven-year-old tennis champion named Kyle, who appeared on the program with me. Kyle had been used to winning ever since a tennis racket was put in his hands at the age of two. But at the very end of the show, someone in the audience asked him how he felt when he lost. Kyle lowered his head and in a small voice replied, “Ashamed.”

This is not to say that children shouldn’t learn discipline and tenacity, that they shouldn’t be encouraged to succeed or even have a nodding acquaintance with failure. But none of these requires winning and losing — that is, having to beat other children and worry about being beaten. When classrooms and playing fields are based on cooperation rather than competition, children feel better about themselves. They work with others instead of against them, and their self-esteem doesn’t depend on winning a spelling bee or a Little League game.

Children succeed in spite of competition, not because of it. Most of us were raised to believe that we do our best work when we’re in a race — that without competition we would all become fat, lazy, and mediocre. It’s a belief that our society takes on faith. It’s also false.

There is good evidence that productivity in the workplace suffers as a result of competition. The research is even more compelling in classroom settings. David Johnson, a professor of social psychology at the University of Minnesota, and his colleagues reviewed all the studies they could find on the subject from 1924 to 1980. Sixty-five of the studies found that children learn better when they work cooperatively as opposed to competitively, eight found the reverse, and 36 found no significant difference. The more complex the learning task, the worse children in a competitive environment fared.

Brandeis University psychologist Teresa Amabile was more interested in creativity. In a study, she asked children to make “silly collages.” Some competed for prizes and some didn’t. Seven artists then independently rated the kids’ work. It turned out that those who were trying to win produced collages that were much less creative — less spontaneous, complex and varied — than the others.

One after another, researchers across the country have concluded that children do not learn better when education is transformed into a competitive struggle. Why? First, competition often makes kids anxious and that interferes with concentration. Second, competition doesn’t permit them to share their talents and resources as cooperation does, so they can’t learn from one another. Finally, trying to be Number One distracts them from what they’re supposed to be learning. It may seem paradoxical, but when a student concentrates on the reward (an A or a gold star or a trophy), she becomes less interested in what she’s doing. The result: Performance declines.

Just because forcing children to try to outdo one another is counterproductive doesn’t mean they can’t keep track of how they’re doing. There’s no problem with comparing their achievements to an objective standard (how fast they ran, how many questions they got right) or to how they did yesterday or last year. But if we value our children’s intellectual development, we need to realize that turning learning into a race simply doesn’t work.

Competition is a recipe for hostility. By definition, not everyone can win a contest. If one child wins, another cannot. This means that each child comes to regard others as obstacles to his or her own success. Forget fractions or home runs; this is the real lesson our children learn in a competitive environment.

Competition leads children to envy winners, to dismiss losers (there’s no nastier epithet in our language than “Loser!”), and to be suspicious of just about everyone. Competition makes it difficult to regard others as potential friends or collaborators; even if you’re not my rival today, you could be tomorrow.

This is not to say that competitors will always detest each other. But trying to outdo someone is not conducive to trust — indeed, it would be irrational to trust someone who gains from your failure. At best, competition leads one to look at others through narrowed eyes; at worst, it invites outright aggression. Existing relationships are strained to the breaking point, while new friendships are often nipped in the bud.

Again, the research — which I review in my book No Contest: The Case Against Competition — helps to explain the destructive effect of win/lose arrangements. When children compete, they are less able to take the perspective of others — that is, to see the world from someone else’s point of view. One study demonstrated conclusively that competitive children were less empathetic than others; another study showed that competitive children were less generous.

Cooperation, on the other hand, is marvelously successful at helping children to communicate effectively, to trust in others and to accept those who are different from themselves. Competition interferes with these goals and often results in outright antisocial behavior. The choice is ours: We can blame the individual children who cheat, turn violent, or withdraw, or we can face the fact that competition itself is responsible for such ugliness.

Studies also show, incidentally, that competition among groups isn’t any better than competition among individuals. Kids don’t have to work against a common enemy in order to know the joys of camaraderie or to experience success. Real cooperation doesn’t require triumphing over another group.

Having fun doesn’t mean turning playing fields into battlefields. It’s remarkable, when you stop to think about it, that the way we teach our kids to have a good time is to play highly structured games in which one individual or team must defeat another.

Consider one of the first games our children learn to play: musical chairs. Take away one chair and one child in each round until one smug winner is seated and everyone else has been excluded from play. You know that sour birthday party scene; the needle is lifted from the record and someone else is transformed into a loser, forced to sit out the rest of the game with the other unhappy kids on the side. That’s how children learn to have fun in America.

Terry Orlick, a Canadian expert on games, suggests changing the goal of musical chairs so children are asked to fit on a diminishing number of seats. At the end, seven or eight giggling, happy kids are trying to squish on a single chair. Everyone has fun and there are no winners or losers.

What’s true of musical chairs is true of all recreation; with a little ingenuity, we can devise games in which the obstacle is something intrinsic to the task itself rather than another person or team.

In fact, not one of the benefits attributed to sports or other competitive games actually requires competition. Children can get plenty of exercise without struggling against each other. Teamwork? Cooperative games allow everyone to work together, without creating enemies. Improving skills and setting challenges? Again, an objective standard or one’s own earlier performance will do.

When Orlick taught a group of children noncompetitive games, two thirds of the boys and all of the girls preferred them to games that require opponents. If our culture’s idea of a good time is competition, it may just be because we haven’t tried the alternative.

How can parents raise a noncompetitive child in a competitive world? Competition is destructive to children’s self-esteem, it interferes with learning, sabotages relationships, and isn’t necessary to have a good time. But how do you raise a child in a culture that hasn’t yet caught on to all this?

There are no easy answers here. But there is one clearly unsatisfactory answer: Make your son or daughter competitive in order to fit into the “real world.” That isn’t desirable for the child — for all the reasons given here — and it perpetuates the poison of competition in another generation.

Children can be taught about competition, prepared for the destructive forces they’ll encounter, without being groomed to take part in it uncritically. They can be exposed to the case against competition just as they are taught the harms of drug abuse or reckless driving.

You will have to decide how much compromise is appropriate so your child isn’t left out or ridiculed in a competitive society. But at least you can make your decision based on knowledge about competition’s destructiveness. You can work with other parents and with your child’s teachers and coaches to help change the structures that set children against one another. Or you may want to look into cooperative schools and summer camps, which are beginning to catch on around the country.

As for reducing rivalry and competitive attitudes in the home:

Avoid comparing a child’s performance to that of a sibling, a classmate, or yourself as a child.
Don’t use contests (“Who can dry the dishes fastest?”) around the house. Watch your use of language (“Who’s the best little girl in the whole wide world?”) that reinforces competitive attitudes.
Never make your love or acceptance conditional on a child’s performance. It’s not enough to say, “As long as you did your best, honey” if the child learns that Mommy’s attitude about her is quite different when she has triumphed over her peers.
Be aware of your power as a model. If you need to beat others, your child will learn that from you regardless of what you say. The lesson will be even stronger if you use your child to provide you with vicarious victories.
Raising healthy, happy, productive children goes hand in hand with creating a better society. The first step to achieving both is recognizing that our belief in the value of competition is built on myths. There are better ways for our children — and for us — to work and play and live.

FattyFatCakes · 21/03/2019 17:24

Wow sorted, thanks so much for sharing that and especially the tips at the end. I read a really good book called ‘Bounce’ by Matthew Syed which touched on some of those points, including praising the effort rather than focussing on the end result.

Fantastic advice and also first hand experience from you Geeky.

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EgremontRusset · 21/03/2019 17:44

I did very well in education and my parents mostly praised my cleverness and attributed my successes to it. It’s take decades in my job, life coaching, therapy, meditation, etc to learn (and tbh am still learning) that persistence, resilience, teamwork, kind relationships etc will get me further in life (and in fact in work too). I struggled with not being ‘best’, not being praised, needing to try again after I’d failed.

geekymommy · 21/03/2019 18:28

It’s GOOD to be happy with doing things even if you’re not good at them. There are things that you just have to do, even if you’re not good at them. If you want to get better at doing something, you’re going to need to practice. You’re probably going to have to practice a lot. That’s going to be hard if you don’t like doing things you’re not good at.

The examples you mention- reading, athletics, and performing/speaking in public- those are all things that you can get better at by practicing. Athletics or exercise is beneficial to do even if you never get to be any good at it.