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285 replies

Scared · 07/08/2002 19:38

I don't know about anyone else, but the latest story of the two missing girls just terrifies me. I don't want to turn into one of these mothers who won't let their child out of their sight, but think that it is a distinct possibility.

I tend to look at the parents of children who go missing and wonder how they let it happen, but I know that it wasn't their fault really. It's just the unfairness of life that allows a child to wander off when the parent looks away for a second.

I watched a programme on James Bulger, and it broke my heart. I still cry when I see news articles about the killers being released. It scares me for my ds. I know I would never get over it if anything ever happened to him. I don't think that I would want to carry on living if it did.

As a child I went through a stage where I was really obsessed with strangers, because we had a 'funny' man (weird euphamism) outside our school gates offering money to girls. I wouldn't go anywhere on my own, and it reached a stage where my mum despaired about me. I still worry about being out on my own in certain situations.

Anyway, I guess that I am asking how people on this site have ensured the safety of their children, without making them scared of everyone in the town!

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lou33 · 17/08/2002 22:25

And Batey there was a 14 year old boy who disappeared not long before amanda dowler went missing and I don't think he has been found either, although his fishing gear might have been.

rosehip · 17/08/2002 23:03

But for their other children, those parents must want to die themselves, they will never, ever be able to 'live' their lives again. Maybe those police checks that are carried out should now also be on the immediate family of the person to be employed. Schools are SO short of cash they are grateful of ANY help. Terrible thing to say but some who help out at one of our local schools, I remember from my school days and they came from 'colourful' backgrounds/families.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion regards capital punishment - so how about we put to that to the test with an official vote. I know if anything happened to our children my husband for sure would want revenge - big style! I am a parent who wraps her children in cotton wool and I can see that being the case for a very long time to come, the more awful news the worse I become. Why as the years go on does everything become worse, drugs, crime, child abuse, divorce ... or is it that we are oblivious to this in our salad days?

Jasper · 18/08/2002 02:16

What can we say about this terrible tragedy?
First, we must not panic and think child murderers lurk at every street corner - they don't.
What is so tragic about this case is the parents and children followed quite strict safety guidelines - the girls went out in pairs, with a mobile phone, stayed close to home and kept away from strangers.
If it turns out this couple were responsible these two little girls did not stand a chance.
I think it is a little misplaced to lay any blame at the feet of the police or the media.

robinw · 18/08/2002 07:20

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tigermoth · 18/08/2002 08:34

Although I am not against media coverage, and believe it does more good than harm, two things make me wonder.

As the years go by, aren't emotive phrases like 'close knit community', 'loving family home' etc, and interviewing the childrens friends, focussing on the flowers laid at the crime spot going to seem more and more cliched and formulistic? Will the time come when the people will simply yawn and turn to another channel when they see yet another child murder is getting massive screen time?

Also, when I see a 'witness' or 'close friend' being interviewed I always wonder if the police have an ulterior motive. Is this a person a suspect? This thought detracts me from the grief shown by the interviewee. So I have already been corruped by this approach.

I suppose what I am saying is that media coverage as it is hardens hearts and so could make this type a news a turn off. Is this the way to go?

SueDonim · 18/08/2002 08:48

There's quite an interesting item HERE about the media, and emotions etc. It touches on a number of the things that have been raised on this thread.

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Monnie · 18/08/2002 10:03

Re the two suspects giving interviews, apparently it is well acknowledged that murderers and serial killers get some kind of 'kick' out of what they have done and therefore want to be included in any kind of attention their crime generates.

That's why there are some many cases when you see people on TV weeping for the lost child/adult at press conferences and in the end it turns out that they had killed them.

Strange, but true!

cos · 18/08/2002 10:10

Isnt it terrible that the clasroom assistant is now working as a nanny, how must her employers feel

Monnie · 18/08/2002 10:22

Also, about police checks: if someone has not been brought in for questioning or has been convicted in the past of molesting children, surely the police check will bring up nothing untoward.

I'm not saying don't do them (in fact, I am currently undergoing one as part of my application to become a Homestart volunteer), but if these two that have been arrested have nothing against their names from the past, then no-one would have had any kind of clue what they potentially had in mind.

WideWebWitch · 18/08/2002 10:22

I went to sleep thinking about this last night, wanting to hug ds and never let him go, shouldn't think I was the only one. You're right Jasper, despite being 'sensible' those girls didn't stand a chance. I'm horrified too that someone at their school was responsible.

I think the media are guilty of the overuse of cliches, but not much else (although I haven't read a paper in a couple of days - maybe I'll change my mind when I have). It will irritate me though if today they immediately try to find someone to blame, as is likely. The people who are to blame are the perpetrators and I dislike the (media) 'why oh why' handwringing that goes on immediately after any tragedy.

Robinw, I agree with you about rural communities, I live in one too and what you say is true: if anything happened to a child here I would most likely know them/their parents.

And despite this heinous crime, I am still vehemently anti capital punishment.

WideWebWitch · 18/08/2002 10:26

Good article SueDonim. Thanks.

Willow2 · 18/08/2002 12:05

SueDonim - thanks for the link.

robinw · 18/08/2002 13:39

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Chinchilla · 18/08/2002 14:05

Like Leander, I hope that the two girls didn't suffer too much. It makes me so sad thinking how scared they must have felt once they realised that two people they thought they knew were going to harm them.

I wonder how the police knew to bring them in for a 'witness statement'. Was it just a formality after their previous statements, or did they trip themselves up at a later date. Either way, the police did well to get them in my opinion. Perhaps they were suspicious of them before, as they always seemed to think that the abductors were from the village?

It is also strange that the bodies were found so soon. Weird coincidence. At least they will hopefully be able to get enough forensic evidence to tie the two people in with the crime.

I just cannot get my head round how a woman could commit a crime like this. I know that Myra Hindley and Rose West committed crimes against children, but compared to the number of men who do things like this, it is a small number. The children must have thought that they were safe with a woman around, especially one that they knew.

I spent all day yesterday feeling sad. Nothing has affected me this much before. I think that it is because it is the first case of this sort since I had ds. Sarah Payne made me feel sad, but I could not imagine how the parents were feeling, as I didn't have a child then. Since ds was born, the thought of him being hurt by someone has brought out a fierce protective love in me.

Part of me thinks that the parents should be allowed to decide what happens to people who kill or harm their children. The other part recognises that this would make us as bad as the killers. I just don't feel that prison is the answer. Look at Myra Hindley - hard life getting a degree in prison, paid for by the tax payer.

Jasper · 18/08/2002 14:57

RobinW I am usually first in the queue to demonise the media and have a very low opinion of (probably most)journalistic reporting. On the few occasions something I have personal knowledge of has been in the papers there is a misleading slant put on it for the sake of a good story.
And it's not that I think media coverage in this case has been of a higher quality - most of it stinks.
As for the police - I don't know whether they did a good job or not.
My point really was that when terrible things like this happen we often seek to make sense of it in our minds by sort of spreading the blame around a bit(in this case to the police and the media) because the only people to blame ( the murderers) are too unspeakable to really focus all our mental energies on.
If I remember correctly I think it's a phenomenon called displacement.

Suedonnim, that was a very interesting piece.

Jbr · 18/08/2002 14:58

Rosehip, I don't see how you can put divorce in the same category as the other things you mentioned.

Jbr · 18/08/2002 15:04

I have to admit, at first I thought the children were Up To Something. They had gone out without asking permission and if reports are to be believed they'd gone off to places they weren't normally allowed to. I was angry on their parents' behalf and I just thought when (because I was thinking "when" at the time) they do come home they should be grounded.

As for you should be able to trust a woman, it's all horrific. It's not "extra worse" or whatever, because it's a woman. It's all awful.

As it is, I don't know, but I suspect a lot of these sightings weren't true, simply because most murders such as this (6 on average every year since Victorian times) occur before the parents/guardians even notice the child(ren) are missing.

Kia · 18/08/2002 15:10

I've been away for a week and have deliberately not watched any tv till I got back. I suppose I hoped against hope that they would be found alive. I watched something on SKY where they were talking about Sarah's Law and someone made the point that even if the law had been in, what relevance would it have had as these 2 in custody would have already had a police check because of the jobs they do giving them 'substantial unsupervised access to children'. I have had this awful thought all day that perhaps the woman's check didn't get done in time and they were so desperate for teaching help that they employed her without her references being checked. What unimaginable hell those parents must be going through.

Jbr · 18/08/2002 16:39

References might not have showed anything though. While some people who do this sort of thing are habitual criminals, sometimes they've never done anything untoward before or even shown signs.

Let's face it, anybody could go and commit any crime if they wanted to, without ever having done it before.

kkgirl · 18/08/2002 17:38

Yes. anybody could go and commit a crime, but you have to be really sick in the head to kill two beautiful little girls and go on tv saying talking about them like those two did. I can't believe that they could have killed the girls, it all seems so unbelievable.

I feel so sorry for the parents and their other children,it will ruin their lives for ever. It is so sad, I cry every time the news is on, I would want to die myself if anything ever happened to one of mine.

Jbr · 18/08/2002 18:07

Nobody is arguing with you KK!

This article out of the Observer sums up the whole thing from the start up until now. In the pile of media coverage I hadn't realised that the girls had been seen on a CCTV camera somewhere.

(Sic) basically means their words not mine. I'm probably pointing out the obvious there but it just avoids confusion.

"The massive manhunt (sic)- and the nightmare of two families - was played out under the glare of relentless publicity

Paul Harris, Tracy McVeigh and Euan Ferguson
Sunday August 18, 2002
The Observer

It was the end of a long, happy afternoon. Despite the mixed weather on Sunday 4 August, the Wells family's barbecue was a success. Now, as the sky darkened, the guests began to leave the quiet suburban Soham back garden.

Nicola Wells popped inside to call for her daughter, Holly, 10, who was upstairs with best friend, Jessica Chapman, also 10. The two were inseparable and had spent the day together. Wells stood at the bottom of the stairs and called: 'Come and say goodbye.'

There was no response from the silent house. She called again, several times. Still no answer. Bemused she went upstairs and peered through Holly's bedroom door. The room was empty. Holly and Jessica had vanished.

It was the start of two weeks of unbearable agony, first for the girls' families, then for Soham and finally for the entire country as one of Britain's largest ever manhunts (sic) unfolded. The tragedy gripped Britain from rural cornershops to inner-city pubs.

For two weeks conversation has been dominated by the fate of the little girls. Now, with the arrest of Soham school caretaker Ian Huntley and former teaching assistant Maxine Carr on suspicion of murder, the massive investigation has come to a tragic conclusion.

It is an inquiry that has rippled out from the flat, dreary Fenlands to Westminster's corridors of power. It dragged in officers from almost half the police forces in Britain. The search involved divers, profilers and even a Tornado jet. Huge rewards were posted by newspapers, prompting outcry and congratulation in equal measure.

Perhaps never before has the conduct of the press come under such scrutiny for its role in hindering - or helping - the police. The spectre of paedophiles stalking our children has been a constant theme. Hardly a parent can have looked at their own child and not thought: 'There but for the grace of God.' The manhunt (sic) also prompted calls to set up a British version of the FBI, a specialist police group that could respond to major inquiries anywhere in the country. It would be one of the biggest shake-ups ever to hit British policing and is now on the agenda like never before.

But in the end it was a simple tragedy. A tale of parents caught up in panic and fear over their daughters' lives. Of a worst nightmare coming suddenly true. And all of it being played out in the public glare of the television cameras.

THE LAST SIGHTINGS

Holly and Jessica had been friends since they were four. Jessica was the tomboy (sic), who swam for the county and played football for Soham Town Rangers under-11s. Holly was more of a 'girly girl', a majorette who loved make-up, singing and dancing. Both came from stable, loving families, people aware of the dangers facing young children and who had lectured their daughters on staying in touch. Jessica, in particular, had taken the warning to heart.

While away from home, she would use her mobile eight or nine times a day to ring her mother, Sharon. She was only allowed to visit a few friends' homes by herself. Jessica had rung home twice on the Sunday she disappeared, letting her mum know she was at Holly's giving her a present bought on holiday in Menorca. It was a necklace. It can be seen in the last picture ever taken of the pair, an image that now stares out from countless posters across Britain, of two smiling girls in red Manchester United shirts. A clock behind shows 5.04pm.

What happened after that photo was taken is still a mystery. This is what we know: between 5.11 and 5.35 the girls used the computer in Holly's bedroom. They then slipped out of the house. At around 5.45, Huntley, who was washing his Alsatian, Sadie, outside his house, saw them walk by. He said they chatted about his girlfriend Carr's failure to get a job at their school. Huntley told police they were 'happy as Larry'.

At 6.17 CCTV footage showed the girls crossing the car park of the Ross Peers sports centre. They may have bought sweets from the vending machine. Other sightings place them at 6.45 in the centre of Soham. Finally, at 7.20, Margaret Willers, 43, spotted the girls walking on the High Street near Sergio's Italian restaurant. She knew them and mentioned it to her husband, Mick. What happened next is unknown. 'As we drove back 10 minutes later, I looked out for them. But they had gone,' Willers said.

Sometime shortly after, the girls were abducted. At the Wells' house, Holly's mother was calling for her daughter just before 8.30, Holly's deadline for being back indoors. Panic began to set in. She tried ringing Holly's phone, but it lay upstairs. At 8.45 Nicola rang Jessica's mother. She immediately called Jessica's mobile, but it was switched off. A frantic ring-around of friends and relations began. The two fathers drove around in their cars. At 10.00 Sharon Chapman decided to ring the police. She told Nicola Wells: 'You know they don't do this. It is too long.'

Police joined the search, going around to visit schoolfriends of the girls. One was Natalie Parr, woken at 2am by the police knocking on her door. She told them of dens and gardens where they played. But the fear that something terrible had happened was immediate. 'I thought somebody had taken them,' Natalie said. At 1.00am telecom engineers tracked the signal from Jessica's Nokia mobile to a swath of countryside north of Soham. The signal was fading. Perhaps the batteries were running out. Half an hour later, the phone was dead.

THE MANHUNT BEGINS

Dawn broke over a village in turmoil. Delivery driver Geoff Griggs was just leaving for work when he heard a news bulletin on the local radio at 6.30am. By that evening he would be joining in the manhunt. 'We knew something terrible had happened,' he said.

Sunday night had been cold and wet. With the girls wearing just their shirts and trousers, police realised some sort of all-night 'prank' was unlikely. By noon hundreds of volunteers were marching through the fields. By 1.45 personnel from the US Air Force base at Mildenhall had joined in. Cambridgeshire police launched a major investigation. A computer threw up a random name: Operation Fincham was declared active. That afternoon the Cambridgeshire computer system for major cases, Holmes 2, was booted up. A bloodhound was sent from Wales.

Police usually wait several days before holding a press conference with the parents of a suspected abduction. But with Holly and Jessica that was scrapped. By 3.30 they had made a tearful appeal to their daughters to come home. A day later soccer star David Beckham also spoke out. The theory was that the first 48 hours is the most fruitful time for turning up clues. It was perhaps the best chance of still finding Holly and Jessica quickly and alive. It did not work, but did ensure the media circus would arrive. Hotels were soon full and television satellite vans lined main roads. With equal speed, children disappeared from Soham's streets, kept indoors by fearful parents. The press pack found a town traumatised by its fear.

The slightly down-at-heel town of 8,700 is an inward-looking rural place. The local paper's lead story last week was a row over a wedding reception. 'This is the sort of place where I've always told my daughter to run to the nearest house if there's any problem. Now what do I tell her?' said Terry Skelton, whose daughter, Samantha, 12, knew both girls. 'We watch the television news and sometimes we cry. I don't want to go out. Nobody is going out,' she said.

Soham has a Co-Op and a handful of pubs. Its police station closed 11 years ago. It was not equipped to be at the centre of a national news story. Neither were many of the police. From the beginning, they were hampered by false trails that led to nothing. Such things are par for the course in any investigation, but in Soham each tip was mercilessly scrutinised by the press. Police were slammed for reacting too slowly, or criticised for running up a blind alley.

The first false report was a woman who claimed she had seen the girls on the A10 near Great Thetford. It caused momentary relief, but the report was false. Police issued a plea to local youngsters not to wear Manchester United shirts. It was feared that the parents of both children could not take any more false hope.

But other wrong leads came thick and fast. Taxi driver Ian Webster reported seeing a man driving a green Peugeot or Vectra with two children inside. The man swerved as he 'thrashed out' out at them. The report, which caused a sensation when Webster complained of police slowness, created an avalanche of investigative work. There are 103 green Vectras and 71 similar Peugeots in Cambridgeshire alone. Throughout Britain, the numbers are 8,992 Peugeot and 2,500 Vectras. Each one had to be traced.

But Webster's car clock was an hour ahead. When he saw the car, Holly and Jessica were still roaming the streets of Soham. A white van 'cruising' the streets was also eliminated, along with dozens of other pieces of information. After feverish speculation that the girls had been 'groomed' by an internet paedophile, the police announced that their last session on the internet was innocent. They had not visited chatrooms or sent emails. It exemplified the uneasy relations between police and press. Managing the media was an enormous part of the operation. Kim Perks, a police spokeswoman who dealt with the disappearance of schoolgirl Danielle Jones, was drafted in from Essex. She came up with the strategy of 'a story a day' to keep the media happy.

But rumour still crackled like wildfire. One was that a sex offenders' hostel had been secretly opened nearby. Another said Terence Pocock, sentenced to life imprisonment in 1985 for the rape and stabbing of two 13-year-old girls nearby, had been released back into the area. Neither was true. Things got worse when the Sun and the Express offered huge rewards. Slammed by some as a cheap publicity stunt, more than £1.25 million was now on offer to catch the abductor. The police were walking a tightrope. They needed to keep the media spotlight focused: it was their best hope of turning up a lead. But the media could work in reverse: it was their biggest enemy in throwing up false trails.

With the girls still missing after four days and 2,500 calls from the public, the inquiry kept getting bigger. More than 250 police were now searching the Fens and an RAF Tornado with heat-seeking equipment scoured the land from the skies. Two detectives who helped to catch Roy Whiting, the paedophile who abducted and murdered Sarah Payne two years ago, joined the inquiry. Detective Inspector Chuck Burton arrived with the 'Catchem' computer system, designed to build offender profiles.

Attention focused on local sex offenders. Cambridgeshire had 266 registered and 433 others known to be resident. Five profilers drew up a picture of a suspect. The hunt focused on a local man, probably with previous sex offences, aged between about 25 and 40. It was not unusual. Without a crime scene the profilers worked on probable scenarios. Most offender profiles fitted their conclusions. This formed the basis of the next police strategy: a direct appeal to the abductor through the media.

It was the idea of investigation head Detective Superintendent David Beck, a Cambridge languages graduate who specialised in hostage negotiation. For several days he appealed to the abductor. Carefully chosen pictures of Jessica were released, aiming to humanise her in the mind of their captor. 'Don't let these photographs become some of the last pictures that the family have to remember Jessica by,' Beck said.

THE LONGEST NIGHT

Henry Cecil walking in the yard of his house near Newmarket at 5.00pm last Tuesday when he heard the helicopter's roar. The world-famous horse trainer looked up to see a police chopper hovering above the woods. Here was the news everyone dreaded. 'Graves' had been found.

A jogger had discovered two mounds of disturbed earth. By 4.25 he returned to the woods with a police officer. Within 30 minutes the area was cordoned off. By nightfall, tents had been erected over the mounds. Arc lights lit up the trees. The police conducted a fingertip search. They were preparing to dig. The whole nation tuned in to watch the early evening news.

In the Red Lion, the bar fell silent. 'Someone turned off the music and everybody just watched the TV,' said assistant manager Aaron Dickerson. Then the pub shut, as did the two others on Soham High Street. People huddled in two and threes, waiting on street corners, at the church, leaning over garden gates. The snatches of conversation gave it all away: 'graves', 'digging' and 'bodies'.

For the families it was horrific. At 5.00pm, family liaison officer Detective Sergeant Chris Mead arrived unexpectedly at the Wells' house. 'They knew from the look on my face what I was about to tell them was not good news,' he said. He began talking to Kevin and Nicola. At one stage 12-year-old Oliver walked in. He too was told about the mounds. Mead prepared them all for the worst. Similar scenes were played out at the Chapman's home. Both families retreated behind closed doors. In the Wells house, radios and televisions were switched off. Cups of tea were drunk, but no meals were eaten. Tears were shed. A video was put on, but no one could watch it. No one slept.

At 2.30am the first tentative digging began. But within 90 minutes the truth was clear. It was a badger sett. By 6.30 the second mound was discovered to be another sett. The relief was brief. It was back to the terror of not knowing. Holly's grandmother summed it up. 'It was one of the longest nights of my life. Last night they were dead but this morning we have a little hope,' said Agnes Wells, 61.

By Wednesday morning it was clear that 10,000 phone calls, 400 door-to-door interviews and 700 cars stopped had produced nothing. In a nation brought up watching detective shows, expectation was enormous. But real investigations take time. Respected figures in Soham urged calm. 'We're living a reality. This is not a detective story, there's no Inspector Morse to make everything all right,' said the Reverend Alan Ashton.

But for the police it was time for change. Scotland Yard sent in its Murder Review Team. Within 24 hours it would overhaul the investigation. Yet before that could happen, Beck - who had successfully negotiated a hijacking at Stansted airport - had one last trick up his sleeve. He gave the abductors a deadline. In a live statement, he told the abductor he had left a message on Jessica's phone. A hotline would be set up to take the abductor's call. He - or she - had until midnight on Thursday to ring.

It did not work. As the church bells tolled in Soham, there was silence in the secret location where the phone line had been set up. No one called. By that time Beck had been sidelined in his own investigation. The Yard team brought in outsiders to take control. Detective Superintendent Chris Stevenson and Detective Superintendent David Beggs, were now in charge.

'LOOK AROUND. CAN YOU VOUCH FOR YOUR NEIGHBOURS?'

Thursday night was close and thundery. Hundreds of villagers headed for a meeting with the police. It seemed as if the whole place was on the move and looking for answers. They straggled inside in twos and threes. Many confessed to feeling guilty. 'We feel it's our fault somehow,' said Heather Brasher. 'We keep thinking: there must be something else we could have done. '

That night the police provided an answer. It was a terrible prospect. Sealed off from the media waiting outside, the people of Soham were told again that the clue to the missing girls lay within their community. Somewhere among them was the answer that the whole country was looking for. It was up to them to find it. 'Is there someone around you, friends or neighbours, who are doing anything differently?' said Detective Inspector Simon Causer.

For a community already starting to crack under the pressure of media and police attention, it was an astonishing appeal. But the people inside the hot and sweaty hall took up the challenge. When one policeman explained that his officers could not search every house in Soham, one resident cried out, 'Why not?'. There were shouts of agreement. 'We'll open up our houses to everyone,' said another.

Maurice Audley, a former commando, strode forward. He faced the audience. 'Yes, there is something we can do,' he thundered. 'Think, again, about the neighbour on the left hand side and the neighbour on the right. What do you really know about them? What about that odd chap you've found strange for years and wondered what they were up to? Can you vouch for him?' The appeal was met with prolonged applause. Causer muttered quietly: 'I would agree with everything that has just been said.'

A day later came the critical break through. It is not yet known what new information came to light, but early on Friday afternoon two cars of plainclothes policemen pulled up outside the house of Huntley and Carr. The pair were ushered away. The event went unnoticed by journalists who were milling around nearby.

Then word came of a press conference. It was announced that the two had volunteered to give witness statements and been taken to separate police stations. As the media pack emerged stunned from the hastily read statement, officers were already cordoning off the house and Soham Village College with police tape.

At 4am yesterday Huntley was arrested on suspicion of murder and abducting the girls. Carr was arrested on suspicion of murder. It was the first time in the entire investigation that the police had officially voiced a belief that Holly and Jessica were dead. Yesterday afternoon came the final blow. Two bodies had been discovered by a member of the public near Mildenhall, the nearby village best known for its airforce base.

After two weeks of an extraordinary and agonising manhunt, Holly and Jessica, the best friends who had spent their last day playing together on the streets of Soham, were never going to come home."

I found some of that very dramatic, more like a novel than a newsreport (like the story "gripping" Britain - it's not a bloody film!) but it does throw up some things. Like all the lies and false rumours, blaming some bloke who doesn't even live there.

I'm still puzzled by the time line at the house. Did Holly's Mum shout up at 8.30 or was it earlier? According to one report it was later that she noticed they weren't there and according to this report (if I've understood it correctly)she noticed they weren't there and then didn't go to look for them or start worrying until 8.30.

We at least know they were seen at 7.20 having sneaked out for whatever reason. It would seem they were grabbed after that, quite possibly by the caretaker who had spoke to them earlier. I say "possibly" because I try not to say anything until their has been a conviction.

What an appalling, almost indescribable thing.

This may not be a sex offence either yet already people are talking about sex crime. There is talk (again from the Observer) that volunteers may be hired (policing on the cheap IMHO) to watch people who are on the Sex Offenders Register and report them if they do anything which breaks the conditions of their release. I'm not sure about that. I think it might be ok as long as people who haven't been directly affected by such crimes aren't the volunteers. It's common sense really.

The sad thing is, most sex crime goes on in the family eg parents, siblings, uncles/aunts, grandparents and doesn't get reported. It's the rarer crimes which get the most coverage.

I won't be on-line for a bit, unless I can get to use a computer at work, which is highly unlikely. They are cracking down on internet use. I might start a thread about it.

Not that I'm wishing to end this with a light-hearted comment but it was just in case anyone was going to address me directly and then wondered why I haven't replied.

xxx

Jbr · 18/08/2002 18:08

I hope I don't get in to bother for using such long quotations!

aloha · 18/08/2002 18:09

Jessica and Holly's murders are awful beyond words. But I don't think things are getting worse. Worse than when? When children weren't educated and if their father was thrown out of work with no rights they died of malnutrition? Worse than when they went up chimneys? Victorian London was packed with child prostitutes (meaning there were plenty of paedophiles). Until recently pregnant women who weren't married practically had their children forced from them and adopted by almost anyone. The church was full of sadists and paedophiles - particularly the Catholic church - and their children's homes were just terrible, terrifying places. It isn't so long since children were shipped to Australia and Canada to work as slave labour and be subjected to physical and sexual abuse. Of course we are all concerned for lost children like Holly and Jessica - it isn't wrong,IMO. But I agree, it is terrible, unpredictable but thankfully very rare.

Jbr · 18/08/2002 18:11

I wish we had an edit facility. Even in preview I don't notice typing errors sometimes.

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