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My ex only wants access to two of our four kids!

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wintersweet1977 · 31/03/2018 10:33

To cut a long story short my ex picked up our four kids on Weds night to stay over with him. The two middle kids have autism and struggle with sensory issues and change. He said to one of them that he was going to have his hair cut, my son came to find me nearly in tears, this kid does not cry over anything! I tried to explain to my ex calmly that his sensory issues make it feel like he's being hurt and if he was going to get a hairdresser to cut it make sure that it was one that understood autism.

He took the four kids off in the car, my kids with autism were already unsettled about going to stay with him then the haircuts on top were stressing them out even more. According to my eldest (11) my ex started shouting, our eldest (11) asked him to stop shouting and he leaned over while driving and had a shouting match with my 11yo. He then told him he was going to take him back to my house and my eldest said he wasn't coming home without his siblings.

He dumped the four kids in the middle of the street with their stuff and drove off without even checking I was still at home.

Since later on that night he has been texting to say our eldest has no respect for him and he doesn't want a relationship with him until he stops challenging him.

He wants to see the youngest two but wants to cut off the eldest two.

There have been ongoing problems like his refusal to use booster seats until I threatened to stop him having the kids, he takes them to his flat where they sit watching tv all day and eat junk. One of my kids has serious allergies and he keep buying food he can't eat then eating it in front of him or offering him food with the allergens in. He goes to sleep in the afternoon and leaves my 11yo to look after his younger siblings. When he has them on a school morning he doesn't give them a proper breakfast and offers them a snack bar, last time they had nuts in so they all decided to not have breakfast because their brother is allergic to nuts and so all went to school hungry. My two with autism need their routines keeping up which he refuses to do. I get all the fall out from this. When he visits the kids here he sits scrolling through his phone and its hard work trying to get him to engage with them.

He doesn't recognise any of his faults, even though I've told him the kids all love him and want to spend time having fun with him, they want him to stay with them in the flat and talk to them, play games with them etc etc

I have told him that he can't have access to two of them as it's cruel for the other two, I didn't mention that I have my doubts about whether they'd be safe without my 11yo. I've not been happy with him having them for a long time and have tried talking to him about it but things change for a week or so and then go back to the way they were. Am I being unreasonable? I'm thinking of getting legal advice on this as he's threatening me with social services so he can get access to the youngest two. I have done everything to keep their relationship good, including agreeing to almost every date he decided to see them, cancelling my plans when he's changed his mind at the last minutes or turned up an hour or two late, made excuses for him to the kids, but I've had enough and so have the kids I think. I've even lied to my eldest and told him that I made the decision not to let him see his Dad while he's angry because I don't want him to know his Dad has rejected him. All the kids are very upset.

Am I being unreasonable?

Sorry for the epic post and thanks for reading it.

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wizzywig · 31/03/2018 10:35

He sounds so so awful. You are not being unreasonable. You must be so upset

Seer · 31/03/2018 10:39

You are being incredibly reasonable and your children sound amazingly thoughtful and responsible - you're clearly doing a brilliant job with them, despite the challenging circumstances.

I really hope you're able to work something out and life gets a lot calmer for you all. It sounds as though you really deserve it. Thanks

butternutsquashe · 31/03/2018 10:41
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TheFaerieQueene · 31/03/2018 10:48

Access is for the benefit of the children. I can’t see any benefit in their seeing this person anymore.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 31/03/2018 10:50

As faerie said - what would the children get out of this? He cant'/wont cope so best protect your kids from the stress.

WrenNatsworthy · 31/03/2018 10:52

I think that Social Services would have the same concerns that you do with his behaviour, so let him call them!

SleepingStandingUp · 31/03/2018 10:52

Your 11 sounds like a star and totally did the right thing demanding to stay with the younger ones. He takes 4 or 0, let him tell SS or go to Court, the only person it will show up is his

Finola1step · 31/03/2018 10:58

You have been incredibly reasonable and have bent over backwards to facilitate a relationship between your dc and their father. But your efforts need to stop. Right now because it is not actually benefitting the children.

The eldest is having to parent their siblings while you are not there. You have 2 dc who are not having their AN met due to the lack of consistency.

Unless there is a court order in place, stop this nonsense now. Tell him that he can apply to the courts for a contact order. And if you haven't done so already, sort out proper maintenance.

You can not reason with the unreasonable.

tigerrun · 31/03/2018 11:06

Please call social services and tell them all of the above (especially the neglect, allergy risks being ignored & choosing some children over others). They would be very interested & it could really help you, perhaps lead to supervised access only. Do it for your kids & you, it must be very stressful & he is being fucking awful.

wintersweet1977 · 31/03/2018 11:07

Thanks for your responses. Yes my 11yo is a star and he helps me no end, more than he should at his age. I don't know how to sort out maintenance. I'll look into this, I've never really asked him for money before and just taken it when it's offered as his relationship with the kids was more important.

As for his attitude, if my kids said to me we just want you to play with us more/read to us at bedtime/not be on your phone as much etc yes it would upset me but only because I'd been failing them! He just got really bitter when I said how the kids felt and said if they thought he wasn't doing his role properly then they could find another Dad!

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PeonyTruffle · 31/03/2018 11:12

He’s a dick

I love how all your kids stick together though, your eldest in particular sounds lovely.

Stop his access, keep them with you. Seems better all round for everyone

CollyWombles · 31/03/2018 11:24

OP, this story sounds awful familiar.

I have 4 DC too. Eldest is an aspie, youngest is autistic. My EX thought he could manage both my DS and get them to do what he wanted by intimidation such as shouting. He favoured my eldest.

Like you, I didn't go for CSA as I felt it was more important the kids had a good relationship with their dad. I tried to help him for the kids sake.

Do NOT feel sorry for your ex. Do NOT feel guilty your children don't have a great relationship with their father. You are their mother and you need to protect them. All of them. You need to protect the eldest from having to be more responsible than his age requires. You need to protect your autistic DC from being shouted at over issues they cannot help.

I would start by contacting the head of your school.they should be the named person for your school. They will be able to help you decide exactly what you need to do and can offer support for the children.

I would also stop all contact with all dc, he has four dc not two and if he is unwilling to find better ways of parenting to manage SN kids, then he doesn't see any of them,

Finally, call child maintence and get the ball rolling.

category12 · 31/03/2018 11:28

I'd let him take me to court for access to any of them. Here's a man who is deliberately cruel and bullying to children.

Write down dates and times of incidents and keep any proof you have like texts.

Go after him for child support through the CMS.

theredjellybean · 31/03/2018 11:29

OMG he sounds so awful...its all about him...stunning lack of insight into his role as a parent.
your dc are better off without him frankly

notapizzaeater · 31/03/2018 11:33

HVe the autistic kids a disabled social worker ? They might be able to advise

snewsname · 31/03/2018 11:34

I think all or nothing too.
I agree it might be worth you contacting the court/ss for advice rather than waiting for him to do it.

Aprilmightmemynewname · 31/03/2018 11:37

Imo sibling relationships win hands down over an abusive df.
Let him take you to court.
Report him to Ss ASAP.
Keep a diary of any abusive texts /threats incase you need to seek legal advice. Inform the school also as they can be a great support through any legal situations.

Pidlan · 31/03/2018 11:37

This is one of the most upsetting things I've seen on MN. Your ex is a horrible bastard.
I wouldn't let them go- he sounds so cruel.

Barbadosgirl · 31/03/2018 11:41

Your kids sound lovely. Credit to you, no doubt OP as you ex sounds like a tool. YADNBU

WoofWoofMooWoof · 31/03/2018 11:44

You sound like an amazing mother and you ex sounds like an asshole. My DD1 has ASD and her 'D'F refuses to accept it - says she's 'just a naughty child', and tries to derail any help I try and find for her.

I would cut contact 'till you do it all through the proper channels - you don't want him to damage your DC any more Sad.

And lastly - your 11yo needs a treat, he sounds like a brilliant young man Grin.

windchimesabotage · 31/03/2018 11:45

Stop access. This behaviour is so damaging to all the children. Write down everything he has said and done for the unlikely event he takes you to court for access (which he probably wont if he can barely be bothered to look after the kids when he has been having them)
Report him to SS or at the very least ring them for advice.

JaneEyre70 · 31/03/2018 11:58

I would stop contact immediately, and be very pro-active about getting help. Try via the school and by phoning social services. Contact with him is just going to damage them. They sound very protective of one another, you must be really proud of them Flowers.

BrendasUmbrella · 31/03/2018 12:01

Oh, tell him to try it! Tell him to call social services and explain how he only wants two of his four children in his life. See if he can spin it in any way that doesn't sound totally callous.

Stop access for now. It's just messing with your children's heads and their wellbeing. If he takes you to court it may not be the worst thing. You could request he takes parenting classes, pointing out that he only wants to see the youngest as they are the least challenging for him.

bastardkitty · 31/03/2018 12:07

What everyone else said. Also there is no way this lazy, useless cunt is going to actually pursue contact through the legal channels. He might get as far as a solicitors letter making threats about court, but that's as far as it will go. He is selfish and dangerous.

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