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I’m getting this parenting thing all wrong, please advise.

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BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 26/11/2017 16:37

I’m doing the discipline thing all wrong and it’s back firing. I don’t know what is right to do?

DS (8) has always had a temper and behavioural issues right from he started primary school. He has been assessed and ruled out for ADHD and by educational psychologist in school who doesn’t think there is anything like autism or anything else going on. At home he is generally very good, he knows the rules and the consequences and I usually don’t have any problems with him.

But this weekend has been a disaster. He isnt allowed the tablet in bed. It is his weakness, he will try and sneak the tablet to bed all the time. If he does he gets grounded for 1 week which includes no screens. I went to check on him on Friday night before I went to bed and he had the tablet hidden under his pillow so I removed it and said he was grounded for a week. He sulked but that was it. The next day he was spending a lot of time on the toilet and I got suspicious so when he came out I checked and he had hidden the tablet under the laundry in the basket. I told him he was grounded for an extra week for taking it when he was banned from it. Whilst I was putting laundry away he smeared soap around the toilet in my en suite, bent a kitchen spoon Hmm and poured a bottle of coke I had bought out onto the patio. When I discovered this I told him go get his money (my mum gives him a couple of £ when she sees him) and took him to the shop so he could replace the coke. In the shop he lifted two packets of sweets and set them on the counter. I said he wasn’t getting any sweets. He yelled that it was his money. I replied that he wasn’t having sweets. He yelled “fuck you!” And ran out of the shop. We live near the shop so I knew he would run home. I got in the car and followed him alongside the pavement to the house and he went straight to his room when we got in. He stayed there the whole evening except to come down and get himself cereal.

Today he was mostly ok except that DS1’s phone went missing from his room. This is also something DS2 does often so I asked him to get the phone. He denied he had it but then later it magically appeared back in DS1’s room. DS2 was walking past me in the hall and I started to say that the phone was back in the room and to thank him for returning it but as soon as he heard “phone” he stormed past me saying “I don’t need to listen to this” and went into his room and started throwing things around. It went on for ages but I didn’t go in because I think he does it for a reaction so I ignored. Eventually I heard a smash and went up and he has smashed the pot that the toothbrushes are kept in on the bathroom sink. I called him and told him to get it cleared up which he did and then went to his room. I tried to follow him but his room is absolutely destroyed. He has tipped over shelves, smashed his mirror and god knows what else as I couldn’t even get it. I just came back downstairs. He followed me a few minutes later and I said he could stay in his room until he had put it all back the way it was. He replied “so never, then” and stormed off slamming the kitchen door a couple of times so I knew he was angry. I didn’t react. I have also discovered he has pulled the end off the internet cable as he stormed upstairs.

So, what the hell do I do? Getting angry and yelling doesn’t work with him, he just goes into defence mode and lashes out even more. Do I just wait until he comes to me and then what do I do? Am I right making him tidy his room? It’s really bad. But he wrecked it by himself so he should tidy it by himself? I think I should get him to replace the things he has broken from his own money like the internet cable and his mirror?

Please help. I’m getting this badly wrong.

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Feedmepringles · 28/11/2017 23:06

I think you need another assessment for autism..I really do xx💐

Feedmepringles · 28/11/2017 23:09

My son I told you about ,that I changed school...by environment..well I have another son who is autistic..so when I say his environment was causing problems I mean my autistic eldest son..I've just read what you wrote on the second page ,and honestly I think you need another assessment for autism...the smirking could well be him getting the wrong emotion

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 28/11/2017 23:16

I think you’re right. Do you know is it possible to go through the GP and ask for another referral for the same thing?

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Feedmepringles · 28/11/2017 23:19

Yes....ofcourse ,my youngest child ,also 8 is being assessed at the moment for autism.the school did the referral for us,but my eldest adult son with autism ,I went to the gp when he was a baby ,and we were diagnosed early on

Feedmepringles · 28/11/2017 23:20

Read up about high functioning autism,and see if you feel it fits..a mothers instinct is very powerful..

Feedmepringles · 28/11/2017 23:23

Also,my eldest son.now an adult ,in hindsight I should of moved him schools ,as soon as I realised they were not supportive of him....12 years later and my youngest son,I moved him school in year one.i didn't mess about,I knew it wasn't working,so I moved him fast..

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 28/11/2017 23:28

Thank you feedme this has been really helpful.

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JorlyWood · 28/11/2017 23:51

I have just sat and read the entire thread. At first I was agreeing with others that a weeks grounding is far too much, it is but as I read on I realised that you are probably at your wits end by this point.

It does seem like there is a lot more to this than your parenting skills which given the circumstances I think you are doing a remarkable job. I agree with what pp said about your son seeming anxious and having low self esteem. He also seems like a very sensitive boy.

If I were in your situation I would probably sit down and have a chat with him when he is calm. Be gentle, explain that you are aware things haven't been going very well recently but let's both try and work to make things better. Include him in making new rules for the house, compromise and maybe make a nice chart for the house. Make sure they are rules for you too, that you need to follow. You have to lead my example. If he sees you shouting at him then that is giving permission for him to shout back at you. I know it is easier said than done but try to stay calm and most importantly pick your battles.

When I was younger my parents were very strict with tight boundaries and lots of shouting and as a consequence my self esteem was very low but looking after my younger siblings now they are a lot calmer and let a lot more things slide which makes for a much happier household.

I know it is difficult, especially if you have quite a fiery personality too but maybe try to make your first reaction "I can see you are unhappy/angry, let's both take five minutes to calm down then we will have a chat to see what we can do." Rather than shouting at him and dishing out consequences/punishments straight away and they turn out not helping the situation.

Good luck though OP. You have been doing a great job so far, I can't imagine how difficult it is without having a partner's support.

ItsInTheDogsMouth · 28/11/2017 23:52

Gosh, this does sound tough OP. I think you are doing a great job in just trying to find out what might work with him. The only suggestion i have (and my children don't present like yours, so it may not work, but maybe worth a try) is a love-bomb approach. So spend time with him, do something he really enjoys, don't use this time to talk to him about his behaviour, just focus on him and enjoy spending time with him. Do this as often as you can, build up some 'credit in the bank' with him where you can just connect. I,d also try to move away from more traditional bad behaviour equals punishment and try to look for the need behind the behaviour (easier said than done) and spend your energy addressing whatever it is he needs rather than finding a suitable punishment.

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 29/11/2017 00:02

Yes the play therapist talks about “behaviour is communication” so I am trying to retrain myself to remember that when he is acting up. My mum was very much for rules and punishment and shouting. She is a good mum and I guess it worked for me but DS just doesn’t work that way. I need to learn a different way.

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Ceebs85 · 29/11/2017 00:38

OP he sounds very insecure. I cant remember what you said about his dad but I wonder if some of this is him pushing you to your limits to test you almost. People who have been rejected or poorly treated often push people away as a way of testing the love. Given that he may think his dad didnt want him but is having a new baby he could feel very rejected and unwanted right now.

You sound to be doing a brilliant job in a massively tough situation.

When he's calm could you discuss some appropriate ways to express his anger/frustration? Like throwing soft toys as hard as he can against a wall. Shouting as loud as he can into a pillow, scribbling as hard as he can on some paper etc etc

fizzthecat1 · 29/11/2017 01:00

None! I would much rather not have to dole out at all which is why I am asking for help. I’m not seeing the help in your post

She was helping though. A week grounded for going on a tablet at night is pathetic and ridiculous. What would you do if he actually did something bad?

There's iflux software you can use that cancels out blue light if that's what you're worried about.

WombOfOnesOwn · 29/11/2017 02:28

Amazing how all the kids who have these problems have access to their own tablets at a relatively early age.

How much do you know about what your child is watching? If he's hearing "fuck you," it's from somewhere. If you're not shouting it between you and your spouse, it's probably coming from his high volume of unsupervised screen time.

celticmissey · 29/11/2017 03:26

Just a thought... have a reward chart for good behaviour for a period of time and ask him what rewards he would like etc for good behaviour, one of which iscoming off his tablet when you ask him. I set a timer on my phone for 40 minutes when my 8 yr old dd goes on her tablet. When it goes off I give her 5 mins to finish up what's she's doing then it goes away. If she doesn't come off it when I ask and without WHINGING she knows that the next day she's not allowed on it at all... one or two blips...and now she's fine with it and comes off when I ask. The other thing is ... lots of children who have anger and frustration benefit from doing some kind of sport/exercise - does he enjoy anything particular - maybe he could join a club and this may lower his frustrations.. good luck OP

CakesRUs · 29/11/2017 04:38

I think you are doing things right. The only thing I would say is, set realistic punishment. No tablet for 3 days, say.

I think, generally, kids are becoming increasingly dependent on screens though and I don't think it's a good thing.

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 29/11/2017 09:48

She was helping though. A week grounded for going on a tablet at night is pathetic and ridiculous.

It wasn’t helpful. Her previous post was but that one wasn’t. It was implying I was looking for more ways to punish my child when my posts say nothing of the sort. The blue light isn’t the concern. Him sleeping is.

How much do you know about what your child is watching?

I know everything about what he is watching because he uses it in the kitchen where I am.

If he's hearing "fuck you," it's from somewhere. If you're not shouting it between you and your spouse

I have no spouse, he actually goes to a building every day where there are lots of other children of varying ages and a wide variety of issues of their own. They also have mouths.

it's probably coming from his high volume of unsupervised screen time.

It’s probably not considering he doesn’t have any volume of unsupervised screen time. You may have missed it but my rule is that he isnt allowed the tablet in bed.

Could I ask that anyone wishing to stick the boot in on this thread just scroll on. I’m not interested in responding to anyone who can’t be arsed to read the thread before imparting their pearls of wisdom. I don’t need it, it isn’t helpful, this isn’t AIBU.

Thank you celtic the timer is a good idea. He goes to gymnastics once a week and he is about to start back at jujitsu class too. He is a very active child naturally. He rarely sits still.

He went in to school this morning with no issues. Thank goodness.

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Feedmepringles · 29/11/2017 11:51

Op.your CEARLY doing a great job...and cearly doing your absolute best.you can do no more than your best...children are sent to challenge us..follow your instincts x

Feedmepringles · 29/11/2017 11:52

Clearly....

Cantchooseaname · 29/11/2017 15:11

Going to school is such a win today.
Something nice for tea for both of you to celebrate? Keep building the positive.

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 29/11/2017 16:05

I spoke to his teacher this afternoon and Explained everything. He had told her he was sick yesterday and that the dog had vomitted on his homework Hmm I told her the right story so she is going to speak to him tomorrow, assure him he won’t ever be kept in all week for a forgotten by homework and give him a new homework book. He has to catch up on what he didn’t do which no problem.

He is seeing his play therapist tomorrow so I will bring her up to speed too as she will try and work through that with him in his session.

We’re having pizza for dinner. His choice. Smile

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ItsInTheDogsMouth · 29/11/2017 23:24

One thing i read recently about children coming off their screen - they often find the transition really hard, (as do us adults at times!). The article i read suggested that a few minutes before you want him to come off it, to join him in whatever it is he's doing. So, if its a game, sit with him and 'join' him in the game, ask him what it's about, or what his character is doing etc. This sort of bridges the state of mind from immersed in the screen and the 'real' world. Then you can suggest that when that part ends (or whatever), it's time to switch it off.

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